Does anyone know if little Dolly has travelled OK?

PollyP99 said:
As the main instigator of the ridiculous 'poor baby' missing 'mummy' drivel if you're bored imagie how the rest of us feel.

It is young, no one disagrees , you woudn'nt do it - again fine, banging on and using emotive language like 'poor baby' when the op had already weaned helps no one and is inflamatoy.

So if you wanted to just have a reasoned debate stick with grown up language, you will get a better response.
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I have never put "Missing mummy" If you dont agree dont read it.
 
Agree with above.

I have watched these threads with interest (or should that be morbid curiosity?)

The only other thing I have to add is that the way I see it perhaps people are sticking up for TB so avidly is because they have followed the story and know the care she has taken so wouldn't have gone into anything lightly, she was not somebody out to make a quick buck or uncaringly ignorant. Nobody said that 4 months (or however young she was) was ideal, some people said it was ok, some that they would wean at 6 months some longer, if a new poster did come on people might say it was wrong but then there is no back story as there was with TB. Surely 'knowing' TB through the forum slightly gives more insight than a stranger, either on here or on DD as was mentioned.
 
Spring Feather said:
Oh I certainly do have an opinion about weaning a foal under 4 months old for no good reason ... however as I said in the other thread, it's totally pointless going on and on with opinions as the deed had already been done.
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I have said loads of times that whats done is done and Dolly will most likely be ok, at least in the short term, that does not make weaning so early right.
Maybe I have gone on, but thats because I have a opinion and wont be shouted down.
Shame other people cant say what they really mean.
 
hayley.t said:
Agree with above.

I have watched these threads with interest (or should that be morbid curiosity?)

The only other thing I have to add is that the way I see it perhaps people are sticking up for TB so avidly is because they have followed the story and know the care she has taken so wouldn't have gone into anything lightly, she was not somebody out to make a quick buck or uncaringly ignorant. Nobody said that 4 months (or however young she was) was ideal, some people said it was ok, some that they would wean at 6 months some longer, if a new poster did come on people might say it was wrong but then there is no back story as there was with TB. Surely 'knowing' TB through the forum slightly gives more insight than a stranger, either on here or on DD as was mentioned.
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I get what you are saying completely. Though I do not get how it would make any difference if a horse on DD was weaned at 4 months, or Dolly. Surely it is just the same, despite ANY type of background they come from.
 
That was sort of what I was trying to say, i'm really tired and lost a bit of sense half way through writing I think.
What I was trying to say was that people thought that TB was being 'defended' for want of a better word just because she has friends on here but I think perhaps people felt that they knew enough about the situation to be able to make their own judgement. DD was mentioned because somebody had said that if it had been on an advert there then everybody would have been up in arms, I just meant that with TB we had a bit more information on why it had happened so could make a more informed judgement. I'm not saying that everyone would agree then either but I just didn't think it was a fair analogy as it is a different situation (from the observers point of view).
I don't know if his makes any more sense?
 
hayley.t said:
That was sort of what I was trying to say, i'm really tired and lost a bit of sense half way through writing I think.
What I was trying to say was that people thought that TB was being 'defended' for want of a better word just because she has friends on here but I think perhaps people felt that they knew enough about the situation to be able to make their own judgement. DD was mentioned because somebody had said that if it had been on an advert there then everybody would have been up in arms, I just meant that with TB we had a bit more information on why it had happened so could make a more informed judgement. I'm not saying that everyone would agree then either but I just didn't think it was a fair analogy as it is a different situation (from the observers point of view).
I don't know if his makes any more sense?
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But it shouldn't be different from an observer's point of view. Basically, if it's ok for Dolly to be weaned at that age, then it's ok for a DD foal to be. But I have to agree with some posters I'm afraid, that if it was an ad on DD, this forum would be up in arms, and that isn't right.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. We cannot pick and choose depending on popularity of poster.
 
But I don't agree with good for the goose etc, I think that each situation should be dealt with on an individual basis, from following TBs threads I am happy to trust her judgement that it was right for her pony and foal even if it is something controversial as this is and I might not do the same. When faced with a snap shot of an advert on DD or anywhere else it doesn't give you as much information so it is difficult to say whether right or wrong.
 
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hayley.t said:
But I don't agree with good for the goose etc, I think that each situation should be dealt with on an individual basis, from following TBs threads I am happy to trust her judgement that it was right for her pony and foal even if it is something controversial as this is. When faced with a snap shot of an advert on DD or anywhere else it doesn't give you as much information so it is difficult to say whether right or wrong.
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now, you are making the mistake of being all reasonable ;) pick a side and stick to it there'll be no woolly, middle, reasonable ground here..:)
 
Sorry, I am very woolly, I think its the lack of sleep. I want us all to kiss and make up. I also want a new laptop as the keys have started sticking on this one and its very annoying going back to put letters in.
 
hayley.t said:
But I don't agree with good for the goose etc, I think that each situation should be dealt with on an individual basis, from following TBs threads I am happy to trust her judgement that it was right for her pony and foal even if it is something controversial as this is and I might not do the same. When faced with a snap shot of an advert on DD or anywhere else it doesn't give you as much information so it is difficult to say whether right or wrong.
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Yes, you are absolutely right, from a snapshot it is hard to tell whether it is right or wrong.

Which is so much where this forum gets on my goat at times, because people jump straight to conclusions simply because they don't know the actual facts. :-)
 
I agree too!!! I think we should quit now whilst we are ahead!

I do totally agree with you about that though, if you mean when new posters get shot down in flames.
 
hayley.t said:
Sorry, I am very woolly, I think its the lack of sleep. I want us all to kiss and make up. I also want a new laptop as the keys have started sticking on this one and its very annoying going back to put letters in.
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Aw, don't mind the Heated Debate (TM)! It's mandatory on most forums, tbh... I too have a computer that is coming apart, it is very irksome :(

< can't be bothered trying to diffuse it this time, mumsnet jokes, jaffa cakes, evening primrose oil, etc >
 
Elliesmemory1 said:
I have said loads of times that whats done is done and Dolly will most likely be ok, at least in the short term, that does not make weaning so early right.
Maybe I have gone on, but thats because I have a opinion and wont be shouted down.
Shame other people cant say what they really mean.
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Abbi was always going to do what she decided herself. She did well dealing with a surprise foal but it was clear that wasn't what she wanted. She wanted her mare back up and riding as soon as she could, nothing wrong with that, it was not a broodmare that she bought. She sold Dolly to someone on a farm and the buyer was happy to have Dolly weaned before 4 months old so really that is the end of it. Definitely not the way I would have done it (and much as I like Cortez and often agree with her, she's not the only one who has been breeding for decades) but we all have no say in the matter.

I am perfectly capable of saying what I think and had TB come on here with the question "Would you advise me to wean my foal from my mare at under 4 months old for no reason?" My answer would be a resounding "No." But she didn't.
 
Ok.. Firstly I'm glad doily arrived ok .. And seems to be settling in well to her new life .. Oh the second issue .. Yes I too am In the 6 month camp :p BUT early weaning does happen for all different reasons .. My pony himself was sold in the welsh sales at 5 months ..makes me very sad to think of him and his foal friends standing in the sale pens ..and 5 months ( some may have been younger !!) and my pony was bred with intent to sell at the sales not a bogof foal .. So I guess come the sales there will be more little mites in the ring :( who knows what will happen to these foals ?! :( ... As for dolly .. Yes I think ..what's the rush to wean ? What's another 2 months in the grand scheme of things ? But it's was not my call to make .. And dolly has landed on her feet . .as her new owner looks in love with her ..I'm sure she will want for nothing .. And I'm sure if dolly ever has to be sold tb is first in line .. To future is bright for dolly .. ;)
 
Spring Feather said:
I am perfectly capable of saying what I think and had TB come on here with the question "Would you advise me to wean my foal from my mare at under 4 months old for no reason?" My answer would be a resounding "No." But she didn't.
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Exactly. She posted to tell people who had been following her storey the next big step in Dolly's life. At no point did she ask for any advice. When & why she did it was nothing to do with the posters on the forum, indeed when she posted she was off she was already weaned. One person posted the reason for the 'discussion' would be to disuade anyone about to wean from doing so at that age. Really? If you need advice from here about what age to wean (bearing in mind none of the posters truely know your animals or siutation) then you shouldn't bee breeding. I would question the experience of many (not all - I know some are very experienced) posters with breeding foals, not just having bought one weanling.
 
I am off on holiday so am leaving this thread BUT TB is still very young a teenager she got a horse to ride not to breed from and I am sure the foal was a big surprise and quite a novelty at first .She did her best but I can't help thinking that having the mare back to ride was a bigish influence on weaning the foal.
With college starting and night drawing in it was decided to return life back to normal and moved the foal to her new home .Vets and stud may have gone along with it but it doesn't make it right.
Fortunately a healthy well grown foal will cope I am sure.I wonder what would happen if foal hadn't been as strong.
It for me is not a question of the person doing it TB is popular on here others doing the same would have been shot down in flames I am certain of that.
It's not abut who did it for me its about the age to wean .Iwanted my mare to enjoy her foal and my foal to be with mum just being a foal and chilling with mum (and the rest of the herd)
This is a lovelytime in their lives with no pressures just exploring life with their mum by their side
any way off on my hols now!
 
Honey08 said:
Blinkin heck OP, bet you wish you'd never asked!
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^^^^ This in spades ^^^^ The Op asked a question non related to the previous thread. A thread that TB found distressing and to a degree that thread felt like adults attempting to shred a 17 year old why the need to drag it up again.
Move on people Dolly is fine and settling in to her new home, I for one am happy that it has all gone well for TB & Dolly.
I look forward to following mum & daughter updates.
 
pip6 said:
Exactly. She posted to tell people who had been following her storey the next big step in Dolly's life. At no point did she ask for any advice. When & why she did it was nothing to do with the posters on the forum, indeed when she posted she was off she was already weaned. One person posted the reason for the 'discussion' would be to disuade anyone about to wean from doing so at that age. Really? If you need advice from here about what age to wean (bearing in mind none of the posters truely know your animals or siutation) then you shouldn't bee breeding. I would question the experience of many (not all - I know some are very experienced) posters with breeding foals, not just having bought one weanling.
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I disagree with this on every level. When someone makes something public, they cannot censor the response. An extreme example of this was public condemnation of a utube video of a 4 yr old girl being jet washed at a garage as a punishment. The mother was prosecuted.

Are you really saying that when someone posts something and does not ask for advice, the only reaction should be the one the poster wants ?

Your point about seeking advice from a forum makes a nonsense of what forums are about. Acting on the advice or experiences of posters isn't compulsory, it's merely another resource for information gathering.
Yes, some posters may not have direct experience of breeding both in the for and against camps. However, being a breeder doesn't automatically make your opinion right and sometimes need to be challenged by those with a different life experience. Do you always feel your GP, vet or farrier is always correct ?

If I feel a friend makes a mistake, I say something and we discuss it. That's what real friends do.
The OP is a popular poster, quite rightly, she seems lovely but that shouldn't blind people to the issues.
 
And the fallout from this is set to run and run . . . I can just see the Christmas Dolly thread "I wonder how poor Dolly is doing on her first Christmas without her mummy".
 
Honey08 said:
Blinkin heck OP, bet you wish you'd never asked!
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Quite!! frankly I know nothing about breeding, mares, foals et al. I have followed the TB/Dolly thread from the beginning and was simply interested to know that the little one had arrived at her new home safe and sound. I had no desire to start up a heated debate again. FWIW I think Abbie has handled a difficult situation very well, she has obviously taken advice all the way along, from here and professionals when needed. Im sure her decision was partly influenced by her desire to catch the last of the summer with her mare (you cant blame her for that, she didn't want a brood mare, she wanted a riding horse) but Im equally sure she would have made a different decision if it had been in TB and Dollys best interests. You simply cant please all of the people all of the time, lets just agree to differ shall we.
 
I was brought up learning about horses from 2nd hand books my mam picked up from car boot sales, books from the 50's-80's. I never once read it to be fine/ ok /whatever to wean before 6 months, it was always at least 6 months. I know times change but I don't think that aspect has.
I recently had to advise someone I work with not to start feeding solids to her 3 month old granddaughter, she meant no harm and thought it would have done the grandchild good. No doubt she would have had other family round her saying it would be ok and that they did it with their kids and it was fine. I hope she took my advice and let the baby be a baby for that bit longer.
 
I didn't really understand the rush, particularly when she was already bought and had a home to go to.

and no, TB didn't ask for advice about it but I would have been very surprised if noone on here judged the weaning of a foal at less than 4 months and can only imagine the increased intensity of the responses if it had been a newer poster! - I don't think it is fair to suggest that everyone who doesn't think weaning at that age is the best thing is all fluffy aww poor foaley missing it's mummy person either...
 
Ok shoot me down and please correct me if wrong but whilst TB didnt ask for advice on here i believe, from TB's own post that she was acting on advice from her vet and local stud for reasons they saw and understood. :) must admit i would go with my vets advice before a forum if understand what i mean :)
 
I think people seem to forget as well that as a teenager living with her parents, she will not have the final and overall decision in this process. I don't doubt she has influence and it won't be totally out of her hands, but at the end of the day the decisions made aren't going to be entirely hers. There are other people involved and she has taken advice and done what was deemed best in the circumstances.

Threads like these make me sad. I think I prefer it when the raging HHO Beast is ripping apart a vaguely defined minority, rather than dissecting a personable teen who actually reads and contributes.
 
Armas said:
^^^^ This in spades ^^^^ The Op asked a question non related to the previous thread. A thread that TB found distressing and to a degree that thread felt like adults attempting to shred a 17 year old why the need to drag it up again.
Move on people Dolly is fine and settling in to her new home, I for one am happy that it has all gone well for TB & Dolly.
I look forward to following mum & daughter updates.
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for once I actually agree with you
 
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