Does colour equal cash?

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but coloured TB just doesn't exist and shouldn't exist

please hope that no-one lets that freak breed anything

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Sorry to tell you but I have one of his in my field out of a solid bay TB mare! No, I did not breed him or own him, they are lodging with me atm.
 
Hi, I must say coloured usually do equal cash but they suffer terrible prejudice against them in the competition world!! I have a 17hh polish bred piebald. He is mainly black with a small amount of white on him and 4 perfect white legs. His bloodlines includes names like donnerhall, Ferro and Negro. He has better breeding than most solid colour dressage horses and is a gribaldi look-a-like! He has near perfect conformation and is extremely talented. His full brother came out very dark bay with only a star, he is not as talented and has a poor front end yet he will often score higher in the dressage arena!!! I often wonder if I painted black over his little white bits he would probably gain a few more percent. I have also taken him in county working hunter classes as he has competed upto foxhunter BSJA and he has always gone clear and done a perfect show to be beaten by a bay shire x type thing that lumbered round heaving and blowing just because he is a coloured warmblood. I have had comments from local level judges like 'was his mum or his dad a coloured cob and how come he is some big?'. They are amazed when I tell them that his dad was a international grand prix dressage horse and his mum was an international grade A showjumper and advanced level dressage horse. Both of which were 'proper horses' with full breeding, not some gypsy nag.
So yes they are a novelty and can fetch more money, there is hardly any decently bred coloureds about that have quality. And for the temperament a lot of half-breds that happen to be coloured are usually good-tempered but a well bred expensive warmblood coloured can be a little different, mine is very sweet and babyish but a complete livewire and very sharp. I did not pay over the odds for him because he was coloured, the owner wanted a black dressage horse from her expensive coloured competition mare and he happened to be piebald. So I have the rare oppurtunity of owning a coloured with these great bloodlines.
Another point is I find the more white the more common, the more colour the better the horse, particularly on the face. A big white blaze and whites in the eyes is not attractive. There are a lot of coloured donkeys and carthorse crosses about so beware!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry I ranted but I have strong feelings for coloureds that have more quality than 'normal' horses and yes I think there are not many coloured stallions that are good enough to breed from.
 
Talking of Cremellos. There is a TB stallion at stud in Ontario.
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Yea alot of people are just breeding for colour, and there is alot of coloured crap out there that people are trying to breed from. However, if a horse is a good horse, with good conformation, movement etc what does it matter what colour it is?! I think some people have becom etoo "anti coloured" to the extent they won't recognise a good horse BECAUSE it is coloured.

And it is possible to have a coloured TB, a friend has a colt bred by LAst News (pure TB) out of an almost pure TB mare (by nearly a nose, out of a 5/8th tb mare) who is pure enough to be raced, and is registered by Wetherbys as a TB. Bearing in mind all "purebreeds" originally came from crossbred horses (TB having a large % of Arab in to start with) the I dont see WHY a pure TB cant be a pure TB just because it is coloured.

People need to stop being obsessed by a horses colour, if people like cooured horses, so what?! If they dislike them, again, so what?! I disagree with mass beeding in general, but agree unfortunately there are soke people out there trying to market crap stallions just because they are coloured, but the same happens with people trying to market "fashionable" bloodline for dressage etc, when the stallion or mare from these "fashonable" lines is actually not fit to be bred from. SO it doesnt just happen in coloured horses.
 
Anastasia sorry i didnt mean to offend you {Homozygous} LOL
We will cover any coloured mare, but there are not many with full pedigrees that arnt Samber bred, so perhaps that is why he has only covered plain mares.
I could quite easily have made lots of money from my stallion, like i know some homozygous stallions have covered section b mares ! but i want nice competition foals on the floor and not cross breeds, i am a big beliver in sticking to type, i am hoping it will go a little way to improve coloureds, this is my aim, not to make as much money as possible.{ although i can see why others do it }
 
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I agree we shouldn't breed for colour, but we also shouldn't discriminate against a horse because of its colour.

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I dont agree with that.
I LOVE palaminos, dont know why, it's just my favorite color of horse ans (if I am hinest) would probably be willing to pay more for a pally then a bay/chestut IF it was the right horse anyway.

Cant see anything wrong with breeding for a certain color as long as the horses are worth breeding from.
There are far far too many horses at stud that wouldnt be if they diddnt have the current "in" markings.
 
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Hi, I must say coloured usually do equal cash but they suffer terrible prejudice against them in the competition world!! I have a 17hh polish bred piebald. He is mainly black with a small amount of white on him and 4 perfect white legs. His bloodlines includes names like donnerhall, Ferro and Negro. He has better breeding than most solid colour dressage horses and is a gribaldi look-a-like! He has near perfect conformation and is extremely talented. His full brother came out very dark bay with only a star, he is not as talented and has a poor front end yet he will often score higher in the dressage arena!!! I often wonder if I painted black over his little white bits he would probably gain a few more percent. I have also taken him in county working hunter classes as he has competed upto foxhunter BSJA and he has always gone clear and done a perfect show to be beaten by a bay shire x type thing that lumbered round heaving and blowing just because he is a coloured warmblood. I have had comments from local level judges like 'was his mum or his dad a coloured cob and how come he is some big?'. They are amazed when I tell them that his dad was a international grand prix dressage horse and his mum was an international grade A showjumper and advanced level dressage horse. Both of which were 'proper horses' with full breeding, not some gypsy nag.
So yes they are a novelty and can fetch more money, there is hardly any decently bred coloureds about that have quality. And for the temperament a lot of half-breds that happen to be coloured are usually good-tempered but a well bred expensive warmblood coloured can be a little different, mine is very sweet and babyish but a complete livewire and very sharp. I did not pay over the odds for him because he was coloured, the owner wanted a black dressage horse from her expensive coloured competition mare and he happened to be piebald. So I have the rare oppurtunity of owning a coloured with these great bloodlines.
Another point is I find the more white the more common, the more colour the better the horse, particularly on the face. A big white blaze and whites in the eyes is not attractive. There are a lot of coloured donkeys and carthorse crosses about so beware!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry I ranted but I have strong feelings for coloureds that have more quality than 'normal' horses and yes I think there are not many coloured stallions that are good enough to breed from.

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I don't think you're being very fair. There are lots of plain bay, brown or chestnur stallions out there who shouldn't be bred, and yet no-one's complainging about them.

So the horse has patches of white on it, big deal. I'm a firm believer that if the horse can do the job, what does it's colour matter?
 
All our ponies are chestnut to much each other in the team. When we were looking at ponies we did not look at any coloureds as having a four-in-hand coloured team in driving people do think of them like pikey ponies. If I was looking for a ridden horse I would not prefer any colour. If a coloured markings were 'odd' and made its topline look week or something I would not buy it , but that is personal preference. Many jusges would not see that it colour make it look worse

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Beauty is as beauty does. So long as the horse does what is wanted then colour does not come into it. I believe people are paying more for coloureds & Pally's, good luck to them. The situation wont change until the market does. A coloured stallion owner made the following comment "If I turned away all the unsuitable mares, I would be out of business". So I commend you Special Design for you take on this. I personally do like coloureds, the ones with strong patterns, they are so individual. But then I am biased I spent my teenage years with them, yep the "Gypsy" mares were all round where I lived. The sanest easiest horses to deal with even when they had their foals. The nearest I got to owning one was a few spot colt. They were very frowned upon in the 70's & early 80's, yet put to a good TB they were known to produce stunning offspring. You always risk getting throwbacks, but that is what breeding is a lottery. A good horse is a good horse, colour does not come into it, except as a personal preference.
 
well said Magic104, a good horse is a good horse regardless of its colour! the coloured horses I have would still have been bought if they were any other colour, I chose them for their conformation, type and temperment (they were unbroken so couldnt go on performance). I dont discriminate against people who like bays, chestnuts or greys so why do people feel that they need to voice negitive opinions about coloured horses? Everyone has their preferances and its a good job or we would all be after the same horses! Although do have to agree that there are some sub-standard coloured stallions out there, but surely this may be the case with some plain coloured stallions??
 
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A good horse is a good horse, colour does not come into it, except as a personal preference.

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Absolutly, but that is why prices for some colours are much higher then others.
Most owners are not looking for a superstar,just a nice horse to have fun with.If you only have one horse why not look for one that is your favorite colour?
 
"Meandmyself", I totally agree with what you're saying, I didn't even enter into plain coloured horses though. There are lots of poor stallions in every colour that should not be bred from, it just so happens that a coloured horse can get away with some faults if he is particularly striking. Usually plain coloured stallions that are not very good looking or have poor conformation etc. usually have to have some other talent like being a talented competition horse or have exceptional temperament etc. Nobody complains about these stallions because there is a lot of choice, if you want a bay throroughbred stallion for example the sires are endless. I know there are a lot of coloured stallions about today to choose from but people will still breed from the horse with the best markings regardless of its talents.
I can see why some people do, if they want a horse for a lifetime and are looking for a particular patterned coat then it is their choice. But this is still why there is not many unusually coloured equines at the top of international competition. It would be nice to see carl hester or Anky on a coloured, but I can't see that happening in the too near future. It is nice to see horses like Blue Circle Boy and Decoupage and other unusual stallions that have made it though and all credit to them!!!
 
I wouldn't pay extra for colour. And I only put up with very tiny white splodges and never a grey! (shampoo)

My spotty takes enough cleaning as it is, and I can pass off most stains as his natural colouring! :P (he's speckly)

And that coloured TB... I've Been Framed... Ewww...
 
I wanted a horse that did the job, he happened to be coloured and in my price range, I dont show and I am not one of those whose horse has to match their lipstick, as long as it does what it says on the tin its fine, and I try to stear clear of greys were possible for practicality, but I wouldnt disguard it for its colour.
 
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And that coloured TB... I've Been Framed... Ewww...

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Yes Deadpan, couldn't agree more!!
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I've paid more for a coloured pony but purely for my own gain. After buying an unbroken forester a few years ago (of solid colour) breaking and schooling him to produce a lovely little PC pony, then being unable to sell him for the money he was worth.. Last year I bought a coloured welsh x and produced another perfectly pleasant PC pony, which TBH wasn't quite as talented and I was inundated with interest. Each to their own..
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I don't feel people will pay a premium for any poorer quality animal. I belive that is a myth, and what has happened is that the masses have bred for colour with the availibilty of the homozygous stallions made availible to them, with the belief that colour equals $$$$

As a result and as many have already highlighted, the coloured stallion has been bred to every type / breed of mare merely for its colour, totally disregarding, pedigree, conformation, movement and all the standards and norms that mare owners should adhere to and sadly some of the UK's more established studs and AI centres haven't helped matters either as it appears that standing a coloured stallion is an absolute "must have" because that is what the market demands.

Then Silently and in the background, the media has played its own very important role, with nearly every major equine industry using the coloured horse in its publicity and advertising campaigns, perpetuating the "fashion"

Those that have been involved in the coloured industry for many years since the days when the coloured societies were created will readily admit that the quality of what is being produced each year has depreciated despite the massive increase in numbers of coloured foals born each year.

When over production occurs as it has now thanks to this fashion driven market, prices crash, in exactly the same way that a solid stallions progeny will when he is overly utilised and bred to every mare for the same reason, "fashion"

It appears however that when a coloured horse, ticks ALL the right boxes, ideal age, height, level of training, conformation, movement, success in the competition/ show ring, bloodlines, and ultimately "markings" then the horse will generally sell at a premium price becuase they are so few and far between BUT lets face it that price is rarely higher than a solid horse of that falls into the same catergory
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With coloured youngstock, the same rules seem to apply, if the foal has the paperwork, the bloodlines, the markings, the quality of limb, good conformation, expressive movement, pretty face, and is clearly outstanding then people that want to purchase a future "star" will pay the premium, just as anyone purchasing a solid foal would do. - In fact a similar solid foal will probably sell for even MORE as there is a bigger market audience for them.

The reality is that the coloured enthuisasts are as a rule not prepared to pay a top end sport horse price for a foal but nonethless for those producing them their remains a "niche" market as quality will always stand on its own merit.

As for the rest, the amateur all round coloured horse fan, they have an abundance to choose from as they are readily availible in their hundreds now just as all the plain foals and thus the prices remain much the same, the difference being that they sell quicker!
 
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