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It is sad :( Hopefully they find a good collie-experienced home for her. Sounds like she has a lot of energy that needs some direction and focus.
 
Well done, CT. I shouldn't look on preloved but she just caught my eye, I bet with a job she would be fine. I am tempted to get a collie for dogging in, but would have to sneak that past OH, and he might notice! Mum has a smooth collie (ish) and she is great with the pheasants.
 
So the owner has 4 dogs, 5 children, the dog to be disposed of is now 4 years old and is worsening which age (now there's a surprise) …. and she only wants £150 for her and no offers? Who in their right mind would pay £150 for a dog which by the sound of it has a very well established behaviour pattern and one which it's highly unlikely will be altered without experience and knowledge and those who 'may' be able to affect change would start with a puppy?

40 years ago and for the sake of the dog as much as any of the humans, she'd have been put to sleep, the poor sod.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
So the owner has 4 dogs, 5 children, the dog to be disposed of is now 4 years old and is worsening which age (now there's a surprise) …. and she only wants £150 for her and no offers? Who in their right mind would pay £150 for a dog which by the sound of it has a very well established behaviour pattern and one which it's highly unlikely will be altered without experience and knowledge and those who 'may' be able to affect change would start with a puppy?

40 years ago and for the sake of the dog as much as any of the humans, she'd have been put to sleep, the poor sod.

Alec.
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My thoughts are a dog like that will raise more than £150 in a dog pit, people need to take more responsibility than advertising dogs on social media.
Pts means no risk of ill treatment or suffering.
 
Alec Swan said:
So the owner has 4 dogs, 5 children, the dog to be disposed of is now 4 years old and is worsening which age (now there's a surprise) …. and she only wants £150 for her and no offers? Who in their right mind would pay £150 for a dog which by the sound of it has a very well established behaviour pattern and one which it's highly unlikely will be altered without experience and knowledge and those who 'may' be able to affect change would start with a puppy?

40 years ago and for the sake of the dog as much as any of the humans, she'd have been put to sleep, the poor sod.

Alec.
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Exactly my thoughts on it, I am a fairly experienced collie owner and could take on another fairly soon but I am not prepared to pay someone to take on their problem dog, why on earth do these people have so many dogs and children in the first place no wonder the poor dog is proving difficult I cannot imagine what it must be like living in such a busy home, I am surprised she has lasted the best part of 4 years, hopefully a rescue will take her on and give her a chance.
 
Breaks my heart seeing collies given up and passed round like a joint :(

Ordinarily I wouldn't pay for a collie with issues from an advert posted on Preloved in a million years but did just that in April this year. Long and short my daughter found the ad and sent it to me which was an 8-month old ISDS registered BC for sale at £250. His parents and grandparents are world champions in sheepdog trials and it looked the dodgiest ad ever. Only opened it up out of curiosity but we ended up meeting and discovered the young dog was bought for a small fortune as a puppy but didn't show any promise or interest in sheep. The £250 was because farmer wasn't willing to lose any more money and with his parents being world champs and him ISDS registered it meant someone could make a few quid breeding him or selling him on for whatever.

Farmer said two different people on the agility circuit were after him and a few young families had visited but gave us first refusal.

Despite knowing we were taking a risk bringing home a dog we knew had issues and would need time and work I was sure there was nothing about him we couldn't manage or help him overcome. He'd never been in a house or car and due to prolonged confinement in kennels had developed compulsive circling / spinning and was terrified of everything God love him.

Absolutely bob on now though he's like a totally different dog but if someone had told me they were buying a dog in that state from Preloved I'd say they were nuts.
 
Also forgot to add - farmer had no idea that Preloved and such is rife with stolen dogs and dodgy folk until I said his advert looked massively suss to us at first. Really didn't give any thought to who might have rocked up and given cash in exchange for cash so thankfully he's not using the site anymore but at least he had a legit reason for needing to find him a new home.

Horse I loaned recently also came from Preloved and the young lass that posted him was so trusting it was terrifying. She's the most genuine, caring person and adores that horse beyond words but could easily have lost him forever just by not checking me out and making sure I'm above board and not gonna sod off with him.
 
I often hate adverts like this, but in this situation i think its the best for the dog to get out of that situation. Its going to either bite and get pts, or live a long sad lonely life. I absoltuely hate anyone who is not literally walking up a mountain every day getting a collie cause they just need so much work...after me telling her to absolutely not for xyz reasons my friend who lived in an estate and has never walked a day in her life and never had a dog got a 6 week old (yep) collie pup ftgh from a farm once, and only because she thought it was so cute and fluffy. Her friend (similar story only she had small yorkie dogs at the family home) took the brother of it. They would "play date" and as siblings do they started to fight, dogs both got snappy with the young kids, would jump the 4ft walls and run the estate pee/poo all over the house and were eventually put outside to live and by a mere 12 weeks both dogs were given to the pound with both ladies crying all over FB about how heartbreaking this was cause the dogs were the loves of their lives but they just couldnt' do what the dogs needed and they hoped the pound would rehome them. Never found out if they actually got rehomed...but lets just say they only had 5 days to get homed or they got pts.

Friend never got another dog and has no interest in getting another, thank god, but the friend of hers had a new pup about 3 months later but a small lazy type thing.

Its such a shame puppies are so cute. I don't personally like puppies, cant be bothered with all the nonsense...i like older dogs who already know their way in life and have mature minds lol

One thing i never understood though was why the farmer was giving them away. It was definitely a pure collie, so it would have fetched money in the right circles.
 
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A person I know was once called to help a family who had bought a collie pup from a farm. It had eaten the kitchen (where it was shut during the day - and I mean literally eaten the kitchen) and no one could go into the living room as it would do the wall of death and then jump on whatever chair anyone happened to want to sit down on.
No training took place, no money changed hands, advice was limited to once sentence.
 
CorvusCorax said:
A person I know was once called to help a family who had bought a collie pup from a farm. It had eaten the kitchen (where it was shut during the day - and I mean literally eaten the kitchen) and no one could go into the living room as it would do the wall of death and then jump on whatever chair anyone happened to want to sit down on.
No training took place, no money changed hands, advice was limited to once sentence.
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Happens a lot sadly. People see collies on shows like Britain's Got Talent or whatever and think you can buy one ready made and fully trick-trained and ready to go. Then there's the people that think chasing and herding is just playful or cute / protective and I want to drag into children's wards and kennels to see what they have to look forward to if they aren't careful.

I'm fiercely protective of this breed they're such incredible creatures but at the mercy of whoever happens to take them home :(
 
Herding is such a strange thing, highly sought in farming circles but a total disaster in a family pet. Our working lab bitch once got "caught" by a stray dog who jumped the fence to get in - can't tell you what dog it was cause we never seen the deed but needless to say our lab who never went walk about randomly had pups, which my dad was in a rage about cause he had planned to breed her to another lab. They all got good homes, one being with my uncle. As this one grew up it turned into a very sleek lurcher/greyhound type dog with little lab influences (so the assumption is a lurcher got to the bitch) and his prey drive was insane. He would jump the whole house if needed to get out to chase lorries or cars and it was to his demise as he once got a bit too frisky with a lorry and lost his life.
 
Weird you mention that cos I've known a few gun-dogs / retrievers to be just as barmy if not more so than herding dogs if they don't have a proper outlet. Can only imagine what that one of your uncle's must have been like God love him. Used to have nightmares about one of mine ending her days under a bus or tractor having chased after traffic or a carrier bag or a leaf or whatever happened to be moving at speed.

Know a collie that ended up in rescue having had strong instincts for work and been run over after chasing a car or bike. Lost one of his legs but was later re-homed to an egg farmer because he still needed to work regardless of how many legs it was on. Hens weren't as tricky to keep in line so he got to spend the remainder of his life happily herding and hobbling about after them every day :)
 
If any gun dog prey drive came from the bitch it was a skipped generation thing, cause she would barely chase a ball hahaha she was the sort who would retrieve if you told her to but would not actively decide to. Dad often said he would have to give her a little nudge with his foot to wake her up so she didnt miss the game being shot lol she was bought the same year i was born (mum got a baby dad got a pup, normal..) and she was my babysitter so i probably ran her ragged.
 
equi said:
If any gun dog prey drive came from the bitch it was a skipped generation thing, cause she would barely chase a ball hahaha she was the sort who would retrieve if you told her to but would not actively decide to. Dad often said he would have to give her a little nudge with his foot to wake her up so she didnt miss the game being shot lol she was bought the same year i was born (mum got a baby dad got a pup, normal..) and she was my babysitter so i probably ran her ragged.
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My youngest is the Son and Grandson of world champion sheepdogs both of whom won countless National and Internationals over the last few years and Fleet couldn't be any different if you made him in a Build a Bear workshop whilst popped up on Jack Daniels.

Absolutely no interest whatsoever in sheep and so unlike our others in every way it's bizarre. Only BC I've ever known that isn't fussed whether he goes out or not. Wakes up and licks your face then stands looking dumb as bricks going "So what we on with today owt or nowt? Nowt?? Sound I'll go back to sleep"

Instinct decides it's best to skip over certain dogs for whatever reason and Fleet wasn't even skipped he just wasn't seen :D:D
 
Parly said:
My youngest is the Son and Grandson of world champion sheepdogs both of whom won countless National and Internationals over the last few years and Fleet couldn't be any different if you made him in a Build a Bear workshop whilst popped up on Jack Daniels.

Absolutely no interest whatsoever in sheep and so unlike our others in every way it's bizarre. Only BC I've ever known that isn't fussed whether he goes out or not. Wakes up and licks your face then stands looking dumb as bricks going "So what we on with today owt or nowt? Nowt?? Sound I'll go back to sleep"

Instinct decides it's best to skip over certain dogs for whatever reason and Fleet wasn't even skipped he just wasn't seen :D:D
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And these are precisely the type of collies that should be in pet homes and not the super drivey working dogs that you see being driven demented by fast moving vehicles, shadows, bikes and who can be seen spinning and turning at the end of their lead down any high street up and down the country :(

Regarding the ad in the OP :( Poor thing - even pts would be kinder if the right sort of home can't be found.
 
WorkingGSD said:
And these are precisely the type of collies that should be in pet homes and not the super drivey working dogs that you see being driven demented by fast moving vehicles, shadows, bikes and who can be seen spinning and turning at the end of their lead down any high street up and down the country :(

Regarding the ad in the OP :( Poor thing - even pts would be kinder if the right sort of home can't be found.
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Should have explained that better sorry.

Fleet came to me as a non-worker from a farmer, trainer and triallist (judge I think too?) who paid a lot for him as a puppy because he was supposed to be made of tippety-top stuff he planned to train up to work and compete with but he had zero interest. With the farm being a huge place they didn't have time to spend with a little friendly collie that just wanted company so he spent the first 8-months of his life in an outside concrete kennel and developed issues with compulsive circling.

Farmer cared about him but waited a bit longer than he should to find him a new home I think :blue: The circling has all but stopped but still has problems with poor muscle tone and strength in his front legs cos he just propelled off his back legs endlessly and touched the kennel mesh with the front. Not a major thing but every so often when he's playing and running he'll suddenly splay out like a giraffe that's had a few too many.

Best thing is I caught him creeping behind some sheep at the farm last month! He has learned a lot from our eldest Puddi so the two of them are joined at the hip and he copies and learns from her they get brilliantly.

He's a happy chap which is enough for me :)

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He looks a lovely boy and thank goodness he was given the chance of a life away from the farm and with an experienced owner like yourself but, yes, from your description he would probably not have done so well in a less knowledgeable home.
 
I don't know much about border collies, but have to admit I've often wondered about their popularity as pets given their desire to work, and energy levels. A lot that I've seen in pet homes have been either downright neurotic or uncontrollable. My interest is sled dogs, and they suffer similarly from human ignorance.
 
SpottyMare said:
I don't know much about border collies, but have to admit I've often wondered about their popularity as pets given their desire to work, and energy levels. A lot that I've seen in pet homes have been either downright neurotic or uncontrollable.
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people think that because they are smart, they are easy to train. tbh even the ones I know in good family homes have been neurotic to some degree-usually over noise.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
people think that because they are smart, they are easy to train.
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To be fair, they are easy to train...so much so that it's incredibly easy to train them into poor habits, then people blame the dog instead of looking at themselves :(

We have a secondhand collie, his previous owner bought him because she'd "always wanted a dog like I used to watch on TV". He'd never been walked and she wondered why he was bouncing off the walls and causing havoc. FFS.
 
SpottyMare said:
I don't know much about border collies, but have to admit I've often wondered about their popularity as pets given their desire to work, and energy levels. A lot that I've seen in pet homes have been either downright neurotic or uncontrollable. My interest is sled dogs, and they suffer similarly from human ignorance.
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Sadly I think the ease of purchase plus the relatively low cost compared to other pedigree breeds hasn't helped. Show bred border collies may make more suitable pets than those bred from generations of working dogs on the farm, but show bred don't seem to be popular in the average pet home - perhaps because of the same issues as above (generally show bred cost more and aren't in such abundance).

Also, as popular as agility and flyball are as competitive sports I am really not sure they have done the border collie breed any favours.

Anyone even contemplating a border collie outside of the working environment should read this excellent article (actually written by an agility person but someone who clearly understands the origins and special needs of this breed) ...

http://agilitynet.co.uk/training/bordercollie_suekitchen_leewindeatt.html
 
MotherOfChickens said:
people think that because they are smart, they are easy to train. tbh even the ones I know in good family homes have been neurotic to some degree-usually over noise.
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As we all know, the breed is very intelligent and so easy to train in that respect, but genetics will always override and, as you rightly say, neurotic and reactive behaviours are very, very common in pet collies.
 
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