Dog attack - again

Because it was probably a collie or a lab or a poodle or a crossbreed, therefore not as newsworthy as one of the 'bad' breeds.
People get bitten by dogs every day, it's just reported on more at the minute.

The car thing sounds like a lapse in concentration, a horrible accident :(

Hope the girl recovers x
 
CaveCanem said:
Because it was probably a collie or a lab or a poodle or a crossbreed, therefore not as newsworthy as one of the 'bad' breeds.
People get bitten by dogs every day, it's just reported on more at the minute.

The car thing sounds like a lapse in concentration, a horrible accident :(

Hope the girl recovers x
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Exactly! If it was an APBT, Pit Bull type, Rottie, GS or any other "dangerous" breed, it would have been plastered all over the news by now.

Another child attacked and another dog dead because of ignorance! Why can owners not learn?

Here's wishing the girl a speedy recovery.

What a shame also for those other dogs. RIP doggies.
 
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It was named guys, it was a Japanese Akita.

But my opinion still stands and someone summed it up on another post, these are among breed types that should never get into the wrong hands, and indeed there maybe more bite stats from yorkis, westis, and little ankle biters, but in the wrong hands even, they will never cause the amount of damage these breeds can, and yep it may seem shocking coming from me, but I would rather not see these breeds at all than see them in the wrong hands if those who own them are not made accountable, and I mean (not some piss taking joke) of kill the dog and sentance the owner to a week of community service and ban them from keeping dogs for 2 weeks:rolleyes:
 
Poor kid! Another horrible story!

What I don't understand is the families around these kinds of incidents. I know nothing about this particular incident, but often in such cases it emerges that unsually a younger, male family member had been 'training' the dog for 'protection' (read indiscriminate aggression here) and the dog had shown signs of dangerous behaviour before. In that context, what kind of family still allows this dog around their children?
 
Booboos said:
Poor kid! Another horrible story!

What I don't understand is the families around these kinds of incidents. I know nothing about this particular incident, but often in such cases it emerges that unsually a younger, male family member had been 'training' the dog for 'protection' (read indiscriminate aggression here) and the dog had shown signs of dangerous behaviour before. In that context, what kind of family still allows this dog around their children?
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Chavs perhaps???? the sort who live on benifits as a lifestyle choice,drug dealers, the sort that appear on the Jeremy kyle show
total wasters in other words......
 
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I hope the little girl gets well soon. It's such a shame that these sorts of dogs ie staffie, akita, mastif, rottie's etc they get a really bad rep seen how I have been brought up from being a baby with all of the above dogs and have NEVER been bitten by any of them yet got bitten by my grans Yorkie blows my mind. Best dog we ever had was a 14 stone English Bull Mastiff called Sarge and he was my best friend and I still think of him even now.

IMHO I think it's the owners who are the bad guys they use these dogs as a status symbol and these people retrain into the fighting mode and then a child suffers some of these people just make me mad they are complete idiots.
 
I know nothing about Akitas but even I know they are a high energy breed so possibly not a good choice around children. More to come out of the story but Caylas point that the small ankle biters - bite more but cause less damage made me think. Good point..
 
topclass said:
I hope the little girl gets well soon. It's such a shame that these sorts of dogs ie staffie, akita, mastif, rottie's etc they get a really bad rep seen how I have been brought up from being a baby with all of the above dogs and have NEVER been bitten by any of them yet got bitten by my grans Yorkie blows my mind. Best dog we ever had was a 14 stone English Bull Mastiff called Sarge and he was my best friend and I still think of him even now.

IMHO I think it's the owners who are the bad guys they use these dogs as a status symbol and these people retrain into the fighting mode and then a child suffers some of these people just make me mad they are complete idiots.
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Ditto, I have a bulldog and a bullmastiif and the only dog I've ever been bitten by was mums chihuahua, size and breed are irrelevant its the owners that are the problem.
 
Just goes to show bad dog owners don't only have staffs.

An akita is an expensive dog to buy and keep, shows that you don't need to be a scabbing scrote to be a bad owner, it can happen to all sorts. I had read that Akitas are very protective of their pack and home. As with every dog, don't leave them alone with your child.

I wouldn't leave my dogs alone with a chocolate cake that I loved, let alone a child I adored. When are people going to start THINKING?!!
 
The consistent problem with many of these dog "attacks" is that children seem to be involved. People just don't realise that this is, at best, a volatile combination. Children just don't realise that its not a good idea to tease the doggie, and doggie doesn't realise that the child doesn't mean any harm.

Hate to say it, but parents need to get wise, and stop blaming the dog for when disasters happen. Its folly in the extreme to leave little ones with ANY dog; from a Peke to a Mastiff, the same potential is there. Dogs defend themselves with what they have - their teeth, and to them, a child is coming across as an aggressor/predator. You can't blame the dog.

Children often don't realise also not to tease a dog - its about understanding the ground-rules about how dogs/animals in general communicate. And that applies to not just dogs but cats, poultry, and horses as well.

Parents need to educate their children how to inter-react safely with dogs, not just their own but other people's too. Its no good allowing a child to tease the dog, and/or promote jealousy, then expect the dog to be perfectly OK with that. Its a wonder there aren't more awful things happening really; and its the dog always gets the blame for it.

Also there are way too many dogs out there, who're inter-bred and with rogue tendencies. I don't advocate the return of dog licences per se, but I do think the whole breeding thing needs to be looked at - its like horses, far too many out there and too much indiscriminate breeding going on.
 
Akitas as I know them are very protective and rather aloof insular dogs ,like Chows are;not a dog to have around toddlers I would have thought.However,it is usually thoughtlessness on the part of the owners;the only baby actually killed by a bull terrier was left alone ,aged two weeks,with the family bitch,how stupid can people get?
 
CAYLA said:
It was named guys, it was a Japanese Akita.

But my opinion still stands and someone summed it up on another post, these are among breed types that should never get into the wrong hands, and indeed there maybe more bite stats from yorkis, westis, and little ankle biters, but in the wrong hands even, they will never cause the amount of damage these breeds can, and yep it may seem shocking coming from me, but I would rather not see these breeds at all than see them in the wrong hands if those who own them are not made accountable, and I mean (not some piss taking joke) of kill the dog and sentance the owner to a week of community service and ban them from keeping dogs for 2 weeks:rolleyes:
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I have heard about adult owners needing to go to the emergency room after being attacked by smaller dogs. Such as a lady who had most of her lip bitten off and another who lost half a finger. I have also read about younger children who have needed plastic surgery after being bitten/attacked by small dogs. And breeds such as Pomeranians and Jack Russells have been responsible for killing many an infant. Am I going to say those breeds should be eradicated? No I am not as in the right hands they can be wonderful pets.

As for wanting breeds such as Akitas wiped out. Please take a look at the following site before making such a sweeping statement again. http://www.akitas-4-u.com/

Yes - any dog can attack, but the keys to preventing an attack are teaching your dog how to be balanced and knowing how to interpret body language. It's not just people who encourage aggressive behaviour, but owners who allow themselves to be the follower instead of the leader. Their dogs can be every bit as aggressive as those that have been trained to bite/attack. It's ignorance in other words. If only dog behaviour was taught in schools and classes readily available. Especially with the sheer number of dogs we have in this country.

I have seriously been considering getting a dog. I would absolutely love an APBT, but can't due to the ridiculous ban. However, I am looking into rescuing a Staffie.
 
i had 4 akitas (sadly all passed away now) plus 3 kids, i never once had any trouble with them interacting, my kids knew/know not to tease dogs, leave them alone when sleeping and don't go to them when they are eating. my akitas were very friendly and well trained, i did the good citizenship tests with mine and they all passed. in otherwords i kept them occupied and busy rather than just staying at home doing nothing but the daily walk.

with the one akita i showed him, i did the ^^^ test, i also did obedience with him. i never left my kids alone with the dogs and don't understand why people do it.

i hope the child recovers but i guess the child will be scared of all dogs in the future now. such a shame.
 
Cayla owns an Akita, O2Y, and is heavily involved in dog rescue and rehab to boot... she knows what she's talking about.
 
One of the dog forums I use says 'which end of the lead is the most dangerous', and regrettably 99.9% of the time it's not the dog end. As has been said a high percentage of these attacks are towards children and whilst no one want's to hear about yet another unfortunate child being savaged the dog pays with it's life when most of these attacks are preventable. The wrong type of dog with inexperienced owners, possibly under exercised, probably not very well trained and highly likely is not protected from persecution by a child is an accident waiting to happen.

Sadly it will continue to happen until some sort of message gets across, don't leave the child alone with the dog, don't buy any breed without having the knowledge to deal with it safely!
 
Again the emotive word "mauled" was used and yet the child doesn't have life treatening injuries. I would expect a large dog mauiling a small child to be able of killing the child.

It's not just owners mishandling dog that can cause problems, we don't know the circumstances but diet can and does pay a big factor in behaviour. Also we don't know if the child had just poked the dog in the eye.

I had an arguement with my brother once as my elderly arthritic collie had just grumbled at his child. The child had just walked up to the dog, who was snoozing, and booted him in the hips on purpose. I was told to control my dog, I told my brother to control his child or not bother coming to visit again! A less well natured or insecure dog would have bitten.
 
Sorry, but why are the parents 'absolutely devastated'? Shocked and upset I could go with, but FGS the kid is alive and the injuries not life-threatening, as the boy was allegedly sitting up drinking by himself. Their other Japanese Akita (and again, I read status-symbol, fashionable-in-certain-circles dog) will be rehomed in case snapping at people is contagious.

I have been nipped and kicked by my horse but I was foolish to have tried to do what I did and so (shock, horror) I didn't have him shot immediately.

What I am getting at is the overuse of superlatives. And the half-reportings with dogs as the bad guys.
 
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Over2You said:
I have heard about adult owners needing to go to the emergency room after being attacked by smaller dogs. Such as a lady who had most of her lip bitten off and another who lost half a finger. I have also read about younger children who have needed plastic surgery after being bitten/attacked by small dogs. And breeds such as Pomeranians and Jack Russells have been responsible for killing many an infant. Am I going to say those breeds should be eradicated? No I am not as in the right hands they can be wonderful pets.

As for wanting breeds such as Akitas wiped out. Please take a look at the following site before making such a sweeping statement again. http://www.akitas-4-u.com/

Yes - any dog can attack, but the keys to preventing an attack are teaching your dog how to be balanced and knowing how to interpret body language. It's not just people who encourage aggressive behaviour, but owners who allow themselves to be the follower instead of the leader. Their dogs can be every bit as aggressive as those that have been trained to bite/attack. It's ignorance in other words. If only dog behaviour was taught in schools and classes readily available. Especially with the sheer number of dogs we have in this country.

I have seriously been considering getting a dog. I would absolutely love an APBT, but can't due to the ridiculous ban. However, I am looking into rescuing a Staffie.
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Lol, sorry not being sarcastic but I had to laugh, I made no sweeping statement, I have 10 dogs, and one of those is a rather huge japanese akita, and all my dogs are rescues, fresh from my mams rescues of no less then 30 odd dogs at any one time :D
I also have behavioural qualifications and spend my life educating folk and training dogs, and pit types are stll very much around, I have worked with a few of those too.
I wish people wold read further into my "non sweeping statements" :rolleyes: UNTIL OWNERS ARE MADE ACCOUNTABLE IN A NON LAUGHABLE WAY, THEN I WOULD RATHER NOT SEE THESE DOGS IN THE WRONG HANDS, EVEN MORE SO THOSE WHO ARE USED FOR FIGHTING, KEPT IN FILTH AND LIVE A SHITTY LIFE BEING KICKED AROUND!! I never once said it's the dogs fault, kill them all:rolleyes: otherwise why have I not killed the 10 I have had to put right through other folks fecklessness, inc my akita that came from no chav, but a very well off family who had paid alot of money for her.

My opinion still stands the ankle biters are indeed little feckers, I groom, I am a nurse, I rescue I train dogs, Im not an ankle biter fan, my dogs are pretty huge:p but the difference between putting an akita in the hands of "joe public ******" and a nasty yorki.........well need I say more.
With a little nasty snapper u may well come away scared for like, but atleast u get away with your life.
Of course it's not the dogs fault , they did not ask to be bred and flogged for cash and be brought up by a ******, but the matter of fact her is capability.

I don't know if people fully understand where im coming from , because I not spouting the usual, "breed not deed" as to me bugger all gets done, the deed/owner will never and has never been blamed/penalised, the dog is just removed, locked up and then killed, so, would I rather see them not here than suffer this......yes.
Would I be love to see steps towards promoting responsible ownership and implimentation of regulation to keep these dogs amongst the true responsibe dog lovers....hell yes, will it happen? hell no:rolleyes:
 
So it's a boy then, and bitten on the face, poor kid.
I know a few people who were badly bitten as kid, including a work colleague who's mouth was ripped by a strange-to-her GSD in a park and it never made the news back in the day? It's just more newsy these days.

They sound like a nice family, not a bunch of chavs, the dog has been PTS at their behest and they have rehomed the remaining dog...

Might I add the mention of 'protection dogs' above - a big dog straining at the end of a lead is not a protection dog.
Protection work (police work/one of the European dog sports) is highly disciplined and takes years of training and it is not a discipline in which aggressive or fearful dogs excel.

I hate those words which I identify with a highly-trained dog (show me an instance of a qualified, working protection dog attacking or injuring an innocent civilian, member of the public or a kid) being associated with a thug with a timebomb on the end of a lead.
 
One quote said the dogs used to play with and chase the children.... which had me face-palming:( Not the way for children and dogs to play together, and not something we were ever allowed to do with Barney when we were little.

From what I have read it sounds more like a snap than the dog truly mauling the child. Very sad for all involved.
 
I have to interject and say my old lab x springer that I grew up with - had as a pup when I was about 3/4..

We used to playfight like nobodies business! Usually watched by my mother who was totally exasperated by both of us! She'd drag me round the floor by my hair while I laughed my backside off and my mother despaired! She never once hurt me, typical fleshy lab/springer mouth..

So I don't think even that is the real indicator of fault. The fact is, if you care about your child and your dog, don't leave them together. It's not worth the risk in any situation.
 
Also meant to add, for the link I was given :D describing a breed im overly familiar with, maybe if a few more people read that info they would steer clear of the akitas as a family pet, esp if they have no experience of dog ownership, although they give a fair description, they do not mention "which breed type sites" often don't, as they are trying to promote the good side of the breed and educate folk (which I understand), but they really should mention the consiquence of purchasing such a breed if you have no clue and things go "tits up" as with some breeds mistakes mades in the upbringing of the dog are "un forgiving" , much more so than in many other breeds.
 
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I have seriously been considering getting a dog. I would absolutely love an APBT, but can't due to the ridiculous ban. However, I am looking into rescuing a Staffie.
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Over to you - if you are looking at getting a staffie then staffie welfare have a great rescue arm in scotland too.

And totally agree about small children and dogs. My brother ended up effectively "rehoming" his elderly staffie boy to our mother when his 2 boys became toddlers. The reason being that Pooh bear, aged 15 had begun to lose his sight and develop arthritis - though still very happy in himself. He was on a strict diet due to the arthritis but of course then became a hungry hoover and they had a couple of near misses as small children do not realise why they can't feed the dogs and Pooh was finding it hard to differentiate between fingers and food!. He sent his staffie bitch with his dog as they had always been together but after Pooh died, Tigger came home again. Dogs were used to going back and forth though - Tigger was the biggest wimp when it came to fireworks, so rather grandly every year towards the end of October she would leave Kensington for the quietier countryside!
 
topclass said:
Sorry to be a pain but any chance you would be kind enought to post a few pics of your dogs for me I just think they are fab. Cheers sad I know :)
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Sadly my bulldog died on Sunday and I'm not sure how to post photo's but they are amazing dogs and I'd recommend them to anyone who's prepared to put the time and effort into them.
 
The reason this is happening is because no one can socialise their dogs anymore and people are't taught how to use the appropriate body language anymore.
Thinking of getting a guide dog in training coat next time I get a pup then at least I can take it out to meet people!
 
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