Dog attacks owner 3 times

A) If it were mine, it wouldn't have happened again after the first time, either way it would not end well for the dog
B) Look at the body language of the dog in the vast majority of the pics
C) I'd be querying how good the dog's vision is, again, the photos just aren't right
D) She 'babies' the dog - his head is probably up his backside
E) It WILL happen again, see point A...she shouts, he lashes out, the shouting stops. He goes over to her afterwards and she cuddles him.
F) And they've bred from him, super :( :(
G) Overall, I don't think the dog is right at all and yes, would PTS.
 
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CaveCanem said:
A) If it were mine, it wouldn't have happened again after the first time, either way it would not end well for the dog
B) Look at the body language of the dog in the vast majority of the pics
C) I'd be querying how good the dog's vision is, again, the photos just aren't right
D) She 'babies' the dog - his head is probably up his backside
E) It WILL happen again, see point A...she shouts, he lashes out, the shouting stops. He goes over to her afterwards and she cuddles him.
F) And they've bred from him, super :( :(
G) Overall, I don't think the dog is right at all and yes, would PTS.
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Pretty much what I was thinking .
 
OMG! That woman is going to get very badly hurt. Hopefully, it won't be someone else who gets hurt!

I had an ESS, who, at around the age of 3 or 4 started to become unpredictable and aggressive. It was only mild at first and gradually got worse. I tried everything with her - changed her diet, different training methods, got a behaviourist in, had her checked at the vets but she just got more aggressive. I was lying on the sofa watching t.v. one day and she clambered up to lie with me, got herself comfortable then turned to face me, bared her teeth and snarled at me for absolutely no reason (I hadn't moved or touched her or anything).

I tried to solve this for nearly 3 years and didn't want to give up as I loved her so much but the bottom line was, she was dangerous. She bit me a few times, mostly mildly but one occasion landed me in emergency theatre. There was a 12 hour queue but I was put on IV antibiotics within about 10-15 mins and taken straight to theatre after that. I was almost grateful she'd done such a good job of biting me ;) . Bless her little fluffy paws :p .

Eventually, there was no choice but to have her put PTS. I was so upset I made the vet and the vet nurse cry as well.

I think that woman is being very irresponsible and selfish by hanging onto that dog and I know from personal experience that either, as CaveCanem says, it wouldn't have happened in the first place or I would PTS after what he'd done.
 
If a dog bites because of pain ( a snap reaction) or becuase you get between it & something it is going for it gets another chance.
If a dog targets a person it goes on a one way trip.

Awful specimen and I agree something doesn't look right in the photos - could be strange photographer but that dog shrieks "watch it" by his posture.
 
Yeh in all the pics it isnt looking at her or snuggling up for a pat and the look in its eyes is disturbing and sad.
 
Agree with all the above, that dog looks really on edge in all the photos, and in the one there is a very strange reflection to its eyes, not a normal flash red eye. If it were mine it would have left this earth after the first attack.
 
A local gamekeeper had a couple of these Mastiffs to deter poachers. In spite of there being a row of half inch steel bars between the dogs and myself, I felt truly nervous -- and I am no wimp when it comes to dogs! (The only other time I've felt like that was when someone turned up with his pet lion in the back of a white van with only a piece of chain link mesh between us!). Didn't they used to be trained as war dogs in the Middle Ages to go in and attack the enemy? I think I'd be up the nearest tree!

Wrong breed, badly reared, and chosen for entirely the wrong reasons. The fact that it attacked the owner when the other Mastiff was corrected speaks volumes.

The body language might be explained by the presence of the photographer, who the dog would see as an intruder and so under suspicion. In my opinion, the dog is quite right in keeping an eye on the visitor rather than gazing adoringly at the owner, but I could be wrong!
 
Indeed DR the dog has attacked her three times and may or may not have limited vision, she brings a strange person with a bit of equipment that some dogs freak out at into the house, she then proceeds to lean over, head grab and lie on floor with her leg over dog, all of which can be hugely challenging in a dog's perception, in the house....and there is no sign of a collar or harness or a lead so if the dog did go for her or the photographer, there would be damn all way of controlling it.

Those big 'remorseful' eyes she obviously keeps staring directly into are probably more likely to be saying 'go away'.
 
Doesn't mention if she's had a behaviorist in to assess & try to rectify issue, that's what I'd likely do after first biting as I don't believe in automatic PTS. It doesn't sound like the owner has a clue about dog behavior if she thinks he's being remorsefull hours after event. Do wonder what telling off Wallis entails.

Fair enough to be willing to risk your own safety around animals, but as she's not willing to muzzle Boris presumably she's putting others at risk if she takes him out. I really don't understand why anyone would want to be in the papers for this.
 
Depends on what provoked the attack is to whether a second chance is given 3rd NO WAY.

Big dog unpredictable attacked its owner 3 times, god forbid if she brings a kid into the home, then the matter would be out her hands.
 
Of course after this publicity she will not have a leg to stand on if anyone else gets bitten and won't be insured.

I wounder if some lowlifes want to pay stud fees though?
 
Every photograph where she is up close to the dog, he is uncomfortable. She seriously needs a proper behaviourist to assess what is going on, but looking at her and from what is written, I suspect if anything was suggested regarding not getting in the dog's space or not treating him like a baby, she would ignore that.

It could be something as straight forward to fix as resource guarding, but sadly for the dog's sake I would PTS.
 
Leviathan said:
Depends on what provoked the attack is to whether a second chance is given 3rd NO WAY.
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Yes it does need to be analysed as to why it occured, preferably by a dog behaviourist rather than interpreted in human terms. It doesn't sound like this owner has truly understood possible root cause to work on altering his behavior (if not medical), so hardly surprising it happens again tbh.

I'm sure others manage dogs that have bitten in past successful so it doesn't reoccur, but I find this ladies attitude odd like she's expecting admiration for it, or maybe its just article's perception of her.
 
As I see it, this is The Daily Mail and that needs to be allowed for!

The DM is looking for a story with pictures. The photographer will know that what people are interested in are people (and not necessarily dogs, which I will venture to say not many of their readers will understand!). I doubt if the dog was particularly relaxed with having strangers in the house, let alone being manipulated to pose alluringly with the female owner! So I don't read a lot from the obviously unrelaxed body language of the dog except to say it wasn't happy and shows it. Not many dogs would be in that situation.

The owner says, "He lashed out because I was telling off our other dog, Wallis………." which shrieks to me "maladjusted pecking order". The dog's "pack order" has been upset by the owner attacking a sub-ordinate pack member, which I would guess she is also! Social order within a pack can change from situation to situation and from moment to moment.

"As Mrs Fielder told Wallis off for chewing the vinyl floor in the kitchen, Boris lunged at her and sank his teeth into her forearm. She was treated at hospital but left to be with her dog". Exactly as above.

"But two weeks later Boris attacked again. Mrs Fielder believes Boris thought she was about to tell Wallis off again". Once again, a similar situation to the first, as perceived by the dog.

Dogs do not see and interpret situations as we humans do. If they did, training would become impossible! I also note that the couple have no children which I think is relevant. The dog has probably be treated like a child since a puppy and not a dog.
 
I dont buy into this whole pack thing unless its me who is the boss and my dogs know it, I can reprimand any of them without fear of being attacked which is how most peoples dogs will be. This dog is obviously the womans furbaby and if it was any breed of dog then the same thing will have happened as its her fault not the dogs. The dogs obviously are not trained or disciplined and have no bounderies and it will happen again and I hope its not with someone else.

If I was bitten by one of my dogs I would be searching for the reason and if I couldn't find one then that dog would be pts, Ive had the odd tooth catch me when getting a ball or toy but that was my fault for not getting the dog to back off first, it was accidental and not an intended bite and I barely had a scratch.

Why on earth someone like this woman has not just one of these dogs but 2 is beyond me, I dont think she is fit to own any dog as she clearly has no knowledge of dog behaviour and is judging them by human standards.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I dont buy into this whole pack thing unless its me who is the boss and my dogs know it, I can reprimand any of them without fear of being attacked which is how most peoples dogs will be. This dog is obviously the womans furbaby and if it was any breed of dog then the same thing will have happened as its her fault not the dogs. The dogs obviously are not trained or disciplined and have no bounderies and it will happen again and I hope its not with someone else.

If I was bitten by one of my dogs I would be searching for the reason and if I couldn't find one then that dog would be pts, Ive had the odd tooth catch me when getting a ball or toy but that was my fault for not getting the dog to back off first, it was accidental and not an intended bite and I barely had a scratch.

Why on earth someone like this woman has not just one of these dogs but 2 is beyond me, I dont think she is fit to own any dog as she clearly has no knowledge of dog behaviour and is judging them by human standards.
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Because she wants them. Long gone are the days when most people think of anything other than just of what they want.

The dogs needs, suitability etc. will not have even entered her mind. She wanted them, she got one, she bred another, end of!
 
A good friend of mine has 2 mastiffs. The boy is a complete and utter wooz and a big cuddle monster. The bitch has to be treated differently as she was a rescue job from a very very bad situation. However, the owner clearly explained how to approach the bitch, I respected that and dog is now fine with me. The thought of her big dog attacking me as that dog did makes my blood run cold. They are VERY big dogs. Irresponsible owner...
 
CaveCanem said:
A) If it were mine, it wouldn't have happened again after the first time, either way it would not end well for the dog
B) Look at the body language of the dog in the vast majority of the pics
C) I'd be querying how good the dog's vision is, again, the photos just aren't right
D) She 'babies' the dog - his head is probably up his backside
E) It WILL happen again, see point A...she shouts, he lashes out, the shouting stops. He goes over to her afterwards and she cuddles him.
F) And they've bred from him, super :( :(
G) Overall, I don't think the dog is right at all and yes, would PTS.
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Yep, this.
 
CaveCanem said:
A) If it were mine, it wouldn't have happened again after the first time, either way it would not end well for the dog
B) Look at the body language of the dog in the vast majority of the pics
C) I'd be querying how good the dog's vision is, again, the photos just aren't right
D) She 'babies' the dog - his head is probably up his backside
E) It WILL happen again, see point A...she shouts, he lashes out, the shouting stops. He goes over to her afterwards and she cuddles him.
F) And they've bred from him, super :( :(
G) Overall, I don't think the dog is right at all and yes, would PTS.
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^^^Hits. Nail. On. Head!
 
Absolutely bloody crazy! That does not look like a happy dog ! Oh and it's entire and being used for stud-great idea!!!!! Idiot woman.
 
It's the Daily Mail heavens alive. Her five minutes of fame. Look at the face hair and make up! She's being paid.

If those scars are genuinely from that dog Im sure anyone could get them just by handling a dog fight incorrectly.

Who rightly knows or cares it's the Daily Mail.
 
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