Dog breed ID please 🙂 - has curled over tail

[Tiddlypom]

This is a lovely young dog, about a year old, belonging to a slightly distant neighbour. I've not seen the dog out as our walk times don't usually coincide and their house has a private garden. OH and JRT (who has adored him since she first met him when he was a young pup) has come across him a few times, been told the breed, but has promptly forgotten what it was .

So, about small lab height, long coat, the distinctive curled over tail, and in particular he was chosen as the breed is known for having a calm and amenable temperament. The owners have had various slightly nutty collies in the past, but wanted a steadier dog as they get older, so the calm temperament was key.


Edited on reflection to remove pics. Generic pics from wiki in later post.

Any suggestions, please?

 

[Quoth]

Was going to go with Wetterhoun but the facial structure might be too slight

 

[ArklePig]

Sorry just shamelessly following because I need to know. Adorable!

 

[Patterdale]

Welsh sheepdog?

 

[MurphysMinder]

It looks a bit like a toller (Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever ).

 

[BallyRoanBaubles]

I was going to say toller too

 

[stormox]

Duck Toller?

 

[Annette4]

Looks like a Toller but the few I've seen don't have the curled over tail.

 

[ester]

It looks too chunky for the tollers I know - and they are also more bonkers than any of the collies I know

 

[Annette4]

It looks too chunky for the tollers I know - and they are also more bonkers than any of the collies I know

There's at least one kennel I know of who are breeding them really big and chunky. My friends has a fantastic off switch thankfully but she is such a goofy girl.

 

[gallopingby]

It looks Toller coloured? I think there are variations in all breeds. If it def KC registered?

 

[gallopingby]

Tollers should ’carry’ their tail when walking.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Thanks, all. None of the suggestions seemed to ring a bell with OH, but he remembered that he does have a (possibly old) mobile number for the owners so he's pinged a text across with a friendly enquiry. I'll update if we hear anything back.

Otherwise we'll have to wait until once of us bumps into them out walking again and we can ask them.

 

[Tiddlypom]

He is indeed a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever! Gold stars to all who suggested that! OH had forgotten!

Reply from the owners:-

He's a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever...a Toller for short. Bred to attract ducks to shores to be shot but has a retrievers nature. Not many breeders in this country but lovely dogs.

Edited to remove pics of this particular dog, but these are some generic ones of Tollers taken from wikipedia. They don't seem to have the curled over tail.

Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cobgoblin]

It looks like a Spitz type but I can't see the ears properly.
I'd guess Eurasier.

 

[cobgoblin]

Ha, cross posted. I see its solved.

 

[gallopingby]

How about a Kooikerhondje?

 

[MereChristmas]

Isn’t he handsome. I’ve never seen that breed.

 

[EarsofaSnowman]

Handsome dog. He looks wise beyond his years (the nice nature shows in his face)

 

[millikins]

He has a lovely kind face.

 

[Gloi]

My sort of dog

 

[Aperchristmas]

Gorgeous dog, but he is very chunky for a toller! They're great fun, but a bit batty.

 

[Nicnac]

He's far chunkier and has a thicker coat than any Toller I've ever met. He's gorgeous although calmer than a collie??

 

[ester]

How did that text go, so my missus has resorted to asking these random people on the internet with a blurry photo from our cctv can you help

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

I’ve never seen them with the tail curled over but toller was my first guess. The colouration is a dead giveaway.

 

[Tiddlypom]

How did that text go, so my missus has resorted to asking these random people on the internet with a blurry photo from our cctv can you help

It's not quite as random as I made it sound! I've cut him out of the still but OH and JRT were also in that pic, they were just leaving home for a walk and joined them til their ways separated. We do know them a bit, we have lads of the same age and years ago used to share lifts of junior cricketers to and from county training sessions. We always stop and have a chat if we see them out.

Our JRT particularly loves him, and she is very wary of dogs which give out the wrong vibes, but he's just lovely.

This Toller is as calm and easy as he looks. Are there some lines being bred for calm temperament?

 

[Errin Paddywack]

He is the first I have seen with such a thick coat and so much white. We have one in our agility training class at the moment and have had a couple previously at club.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Gorgeous dog I don't think I have ever seen one.

 

[fiwen30]

He is GORGEOUS.

 

[MurphysMinder]

He is the first I have seen with such a thick coat and so much white. We have one in our agility training class at the moment and have had a couple previously at club.

Yes that's why I wasn't 100%, he does look bigger and has more white than most tollers I have seen. But breed standards are only an ideal, plenty of room for variation.