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I was hoping someone could identify a dog for me.

Saw it today when I was hacking past - it's new to the property and very aggressive.

Large - think GSD
Grey - think wolf-like shading
Hairy - long, soft coat
Ears - don't know as they were flat against its head
Face - shorter nose - more bear like.

Any thoughts? ?
 
Badly bred husky or malamute of either?
Or some sort of Wolfdog permutation...they come with a variety of names now.

Just a bog standard sable (grey) longcoat GSD?

Small Caucasian shepherd (ovcharka)?
 
Clodagh said:
You have to hack past again and get a pic. :-) Go on, you know you want to!
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I really don't! It is in a garden which is significantly higher than the road - when we first met it, hanging over the wall, it was level with my horse's head. Then it ran along the lawn, to a section where the wall is level with the grass, but about 10' above the road (so the drop is the boundary iyswim)

It would have taken very little provocation for it to have jumped onto the road.

They also had a mixed race Staffy cross - pale brindle, staffy head, long legs - which thankfully wasn't barking.

Very unpleasant experience - my horse is very level headed about dogs, but really wasn't happy about the head height aggression.
 
Worryingly Caucasian Shepherds (Ovcharkas) are becoming increasingly popular in the UK and more often than not with the wrong kind of people in highly undesirable situations. As CC says they are a Livestock Guardian breed - bred to protect flocks from large predators in Russia among other places. They are naturally very aggressive towards strangers and anything they consider a threat and are extremely protective of their property and people.

Personally I don't think there is a place for this breed and others like it in the UK.
 
Definitely not an akita - no white and a much flatter face

(I know someone with an akita)

I might have a word with the police as if it comes over the wall (which would be very easy for it to do), it would be very messy

They need to fence it back from the wall.
 
Dog warden would probably be better as a first port of call, through the local council.

The problem is the size and power of such breeds means it would be very hard to stop if it was intent on something.
 
spacefaer said:
Definitely not an akita - no white and a much flatter face

(I know someone with an akita)

I might have a word with the police as if it comes over the wall (which would be very easy for it to do), it would be very messy

They need to fence it back from the wall.
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Hmm, shorter face than an Akita... Shame we don't know the ears! Tibetan mastiffs etc are far bigger than even big GSDs. As are the Caucasians I've met. Not 'just' something like a long coated GSDx boxer?
 
rara007 said:
Hmm, shorter face than an Akita... Shame we don't know the ears! Tibetan mastiffs etc are far bigger than even big GSDs. As are the Caucasians I've met. Not 'just' something like a long coated GSDx boxer?
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Ears were flat against its head but I got the impression that they weren't very big, and certainly not prick ears - definitely more floppy. If I had to guess, I would say it was the size of an old English sheepdog - not as big as a St Bernard, or Newfie. Hard to tell when your horse is trying to leg it and the dog is head height!!
 
CorvusCorax said:
Dog warden would probably be better as a first port of call, through the local council.

The problem is the size and power of such breeds means it would be very hard to stop if it was intent on something.
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Agree dog warden is best bet. We have land just the other side of a railway line and the last house before you get to the crossing has two dogs that spend most of their time shut outside in the garden and they snarl and jump and bounce off the garden fence and I hate having to pass. They're horrendous if I have the dogs and I worry what they'll do if ever they get over that fence cos it's not much. It's like running the gauntlet I'll be in too much of a rush to make it over the railway one of these days and get hit by a train.

One looks and sounds huge but not sure what it is and the other is the most nasty looking / sounding Springer Spaniel I've ever seen.

Mentioned it to dog warden cos I wasn't sure if the property was known to them or if they had previous complaints and explained I'm not scared of dogs as a rule and understand some are all mouth and sound worse than they are but honestly worry what will happen if they get through.

I could tell from the sigh she made when I told her the address it's been a long-standing battle. He sounds a right pillock and has been deliberately awkward / refused to keep hold of the dogs or put them in to let people pass because "They're not gonna hurt you they're behind a fence" Just a total arse really.

Next time I went that way no sign of the dogs but I'm sure they'll start to put in appearance again before long. It's always worth flagging up concerns with the dog warden. Even if there's nothing in it there's nothing lost but it helps them to build a case if they are having problems with someone.
 
spacefaer said:
Right folks - I have pics! How do I post them?
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Like this!

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What a gorgeous pair of dogs! Frankly, I reckon you're worrying over nothing - going by that photo if they had any inclination to eat you then they'd have done so already. But I'm sure that you'll soon whip up a mob of supporters regardless.

#outofpatiencewithhumansingeneral
 
KittenInTheTree said:
What a gorgeous pair of dogs! Frankly, I reckon you're worrying over nothing - going by that photo if they had any inclination to eat you then they'd have done so already. But I'm sure that you'll soon whip up a mob of supporters regardless.

#outofpatiencewithhumansingeneral
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Was there really any need for that?
 
In fairness it could be a carpathian shepherd or yugoslavian herder....

(pictured it our carpathian shepherd dog).
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That being said all dog breeds from that sort of area have a very, very strong guarding instinct and will not tolerate strangers; enter their territory if you dare :D
But once you know them they are amaaaazing! <3

(Obviously, there is not an ounce of owner bias present in that statement at all, lol)
 
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a 10ft drop is plenty to keep the dog in tbh. your horse will get used to them. I'd give the wall a wide berth ie ride on other side of the road, otherwise I'd crack on
 
Bloody hell, I would be bricking it! Hopefully if they were going to jump off and eat you they would have done. I would still worry one would fall off by mistake.
I would say, if you ride past, don't look at them and trot on. Is there any way you could ask the owner if they are OK? Maybe not by walking up the garden path, mind.
 
Lol. My dog would be over the hills and far away. No sense of self preservation ;)

I used to ride past a lot of very gobby dogs but if they came at me I used to just roar back. All the horses were used to it.
 
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