dog breed ID please

Diva&Rosie'sMum said:
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(pictured it our carpathian shepherd dog).
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How strange, your pictured dog shows a striking resemblance to the long defunct Smithfield Collie. They were mostly cattle dogs used during the 17th. — 19th. century by the drovers who walked cattle from all over the UK and down to Smithfield market mostly, hence the name.

From the illustrations available, a striking resemblance.

Alec.
 
KittenInTheTree said:
What a gorgeous pair of dogs! Frankly, I reckon you're worrying over nothing - going by that photo if they had any inclination to eat you then they'd have done so already. But I'm sure that you'll soon whip up a mob of supporters regardless.

#outofpatiencewithhumansingeneral
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Auslander said:
Was there really any need for that?
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Was it needed? I suspect that it was a voice of common sense. Mostly those dogs and humans too who are going to attack, rarely advise us of that. They would appear to me to be relatively bark-and-no-bite. The larger of the two is standing his ground and shouting the odds.

Alec.
 
To make myself clear (and thanks Auslander for putting the pic up!)
this pic was taken from inside my truck on the other side of the road - I have zoomed in for clarity.

When I was on the horse, there was a LOT more aggression (and I understand that it is defensive aggression, but it is still not great to ride past.) Think bared teeth, head lowered, ears flat back and a huge amount of noisy barking.

I was on the other side of the road with the horse as well - because of the height of the wall, the dog was initially at the horse's head height, and then at my eyeline as we carried on past it.

There is very little wall on the dog's side - just a fairly decent drop straight onto the road. If I had come from the other direction, round the uphill, blind corner, the dog would have been about a foot away from my head.

I was okay, the horse was unimpressed, but ok. The local livery yard (about 1 mile away) has children and novice riders hacking out - they may well not have been ok.

All I would like is a decent fence, set back from the wall, so that we can pass safely and without the dog feeling sufficiently threatened to think it has to defend its patch.

I know it bites anyone who goes into the grounds - the owner has admitted this - it's obviously guarding its pack effectively! I'm not blaming the dog, just alarmed by the potential for disaster.
 
Alec Swan said:
Was it needed? I suspect that it was a voice of common sense. Mostly those dogs and humans too who are going to attack, rarely advise us of that. They would appear to me to be relatively bark-and-no-bite. The larger of the two is standing his ground and shouting the odds.

Alec.
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My beef was with the second part of the post.
 
That's a silly thing for the owner to admit, particularly keeping it in the above scenario.

Beautiful it may be, IMO this is a breed which should be out on a plain in the middle of nowhere, hanging with some livestock, not stuck in a garden feeling so insecure and defensive that it feels the need to gob off at everything that walks past and bite 'anyone that goes into the grounds'.
If it's a 'guard dog' then there are strict rules and regulations including fencing, signage and a stipulation that there is someone on the property at all times.

Barking dogs certainly do bite.
I'm out of patience with humans too, the ones who think 'I want THAT breed' without perhaps considering if it's fair on the dog or anyone else.

I do hope I am wrong.
 
CorvusCorax said:
That's a silly thing for the owner to admit, particularly keeping it in the above scenario.

Beautiful it may be, IMO this is a breed which should be out on a plain in the middle of nowhere, hanging with some livestock, not stuck in a garden feeling so insecure and defensive that it feels the need to gob off at everything that walks past and bite 'anyone that goes into the grounds'.
If it's a 'guard dog' then there are strict rules and regulations including fencing, signage and a stipulation that there is someone on the property at all times.

Barking dogs certainly do bite.
I'm out of patience with humans too, the ones who think 'I want THAT breed' without perhaps considering if it's fair on the dog or anyone else.

I do hope I am wrong.
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Couldn't agree more. Some dogs are all mouth and no trousers. The Caucasian Ovcharka is not one of those dogs. They have been selectively bred over many generations to ferociously defend their flocks and boundaries against wolves, bears and other large predators. You do not mess around with a Caucasian Ovcharka!
 
To add now that I've had something to eat and am less hangry ;)

I'm not making any statement about this dog in particular although for me that is not a safe set up, nor am I casting aspersions on the breed...I am just frustrated that an industry exists where unsuitable breeds are sold to unsuitable homes and dogs and people are put in risky positions. Burp.
 
Not sure if it works the same way in England (i'm in Scotland), but you may want to get in touch with your local council. Ask to speak to the Antisocial Behaviour Team about the Control of Dogs Order. Tell them the behaviour of these dogs is making you feel threatened. Hopefully they may be able to get the owner to put up a fence.
 
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Alec Swan said:
How strange, your pictured dog shows a striking resemblance to the long defunct Smithfield Collie. They were mostly cattle dogs used during the 17th. — 19th. century by the drovers who walked cattle from all over the UK and down to Smithfield market mostly, hence the name.

From the illustrations available, a striking resemblance.

Alec.
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She doesn't look that similar to me - and anyway she's from Romania! ;) Only came over to this country February of this year, though in fairness we'll never know for sure what she really is as she was saved from a horrible kill shelter, but whatever she is I highly doubt it's an English drover's dog. :P
Google Romanian Shepherd dog and you'll see what I mean :)
 
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Diva&Rosie'sMum said:
She doesn't look that similar to me - and anyway she's from Romania! ;) Only came over to this country February of this year, though in fairness we'll never know for sure what she really is as she was saved from a horrible kill shelter, but whatever she is I highly doubt it's an English drover's dog. :P
Google Romanian Shepherd dog and you'll see what I mean :)
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I think what Alec meant was she is of the same type. Makers sense, probably created to do the same job at some point in the breeds development.
 
Clodagh said:
I think what Alec meant was she is of the same type. Makers sense, probably created to do the same job at some point in the breeds development.
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Oh yes it made sense - she's very similar to a border collie that lives near us, totally different animals obviously, but put them side by side and it's like having 2 siblings. They just 'get' each other - and Ellie (the carpathian) has massive issues with other dogs (usually) but not this collie, she actively seeks her out.
Not sure if it's just two intelligent herder type dogs which happen to have clicked or what but it's cute to see considering Ellie goes into a mad panic walking past any other canine.
 
If you genuinely feel threatened by this dog you can report it to the police but consider the implications for the dog and owner..the dogs not actually done anything bare bark and by the looks of the staffyx it could be deemed pit type and destroyed for no other reason but that despite not having shown any aggression. Many dogs bark at people/horses passing by their land...would you be posting this if it was a labrador?

For the sake of the dogs, which frankly look well looked after, id be having a quiet word with the owner saying that you feel your horses are in danger due to how easy it is for the dogs to get out. They may well be shocked and put up a fence, or they may tell you to eff off in which case you then take it further.

Just to add, i completely get where you are coming from, the neighbors police GSDs are all out barking will boing on you and kill you type dogs and his garden is higher than the path making the dogs be at your head. They are well penned in and there is no chance of them getting out and im so used to them i don't mind it, but i get how threatened you can feel. I only feel safe as there is the fence.
 
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WorkingGSD said:
Couldn't agree more. Some dogs are all mouth and no trousers. The Caucasian Ovcharka is not one of those dogs. They have been selectively bred over many generations to ferociously defend their flocks and boundaries against wolves, bears and other large predators. You do not mess around with a Caucasian Ovcharka!
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Blimey, just googled some images of these Ovcharkas. They are massive! Not that the size alone of a dog breed makes it intimidating, but by your explanation of what they were bred for, I think they should all be wearing a fluorescent yellow and pink tabbard that says 'do not approach me'! I wonder why the owners picked this breed.
 
npage123 said:
Blimey, just googled some images of these Ovcharkas. They are massive! Not that the size alone of a dog breed makes it intimidating, but by your explanation of what they were bred for, I think they should all be wearing a fluorescent yellow and pink tabbard that says 'do not approach me'! I wonder why the owners picked this breed.
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For precisely the reasons stated. They are fiercly loyal to owners, much like akitas and many guard dog and flock breeds which makes some of these people think they are the big banana.
 
I personally feel that this particular breed has no good reason to be sold in the UK apart from making someone money obviously as i'm sure theyre priced exorbitantly. Any dog that barks will be enough to put off the average burglar but if someone wants to get into your property they will regardless of the dog patrolling.
 
Dano1223 said:
I personally feel that this particular breed has no good reason to be sold in the UK apart from making someone money obviously as i'm sure theyre priced exorbitantly. Any dog that barks will be enough to put off the average burglar but if someone wants to get into your property they will regardless of the dog patrolling.
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Agreed - ovcharkas, carpathians, anatolians etc. etc. were all dogs designed to protect livestock/their family. They are not suitable for your average suburban Briton wanting to look good down in the park :lol:
 
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All the Anatolians I knew when I lived in Turkey where gentle dogs with people I would notcall them a natural property guarding breed .
Seeing them out on the plateau amongst the goats is a fantastic sight .
Dogs bark horses spook whose natural behaviour trumps the other .
However if I where the dogs owner I would want a fence .
 
equi said:
If you genuinely feel threatened by this dog you can report it to the police but consider the implications for the dog and owner..the dogs not actually done anything bare bark and by the looks of the staffyx it could be deemed pit type and destroyed for no other reason but that despite not having shown any aggression. Many dogs bark at people/horses passing by their land...would you be posting this if it was a labrador?

For the sake of the dogs, which frankly look well looked after, id be having a quiet word with the owner saying that you feel your horses are in danger due to how easy it is for the dogs to get out. They may well be shocked and put up a fence, or they may tell you to eff off
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I would not be posting asking for breed identification if it was a labrador no, but I would be disturbed by any large breed dog showing signs of aggression at my head height when on a horse, and potentially only 2-3 ft from my head!

The photo was taken from inside my truck on the opposite side of the road to the dog. Imagine how much fiercer it was when my horse was there instead!

Given that the owner has already admitted that this dog bites visitors, I have absolutely no plans to go anywhere near the property on foot (which is presumably the point of the dog!)
 
Goldenstar said:
All the Anatolians I knew when I lived in Turkey where gentle dogs with people I would notcall them a natural property guarding breed .
Seeing them out on the plateau amongst the goats is a fantastic sight .
Dogs bark horses spook whose natural behaviour trumps the other .
However if I where the dogs owner I would want a fence .
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Hmm I read that they can be guardy and are one person dogs. Oops!
 
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