Vizslak
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Glazey knew I bred AND that I was a weirdo....shes lying!
Dog breeders help please?? With Pics!
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CorvusCorax
Deary me...
It. Looks. Untidy.
Simsar
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Hi sorry had a few things to do, thanks for the replys again, I have not gone into this half heartedly I have spoken to vets and breeders and they were of the opinion that it should be fine to breed from her again. It is a year to the month since she was last covered and she has had a seasons break and is well in herself, I posted on here for some help on this specific problem and thought I should give you ladies all the info on last time so that you had the full picture, no one that I have spoken to has been able to cast any light on this recent episode so I thought that I would post on here and see what replys I got.
I understand that you think I am iresponsible for doing this but it is my call and the homes that they are going to are all checked out thoroughly, I even took a trip to lincolnshire from surrey last time and am regularly kept up to date on all there progress and help where I can and the owners have been told that I will take them back at ANY stage, I can't see how I could be any more responsible for them as I HAVE chosen to breed from her. I will take her to the vet tommorrow and let you know what they say, hopfully they won't bitch at me for breeding from a dog so iresponsibly!
I understand that you think I am iresponsible for doing this but it is my call and the homes that they are going to are all checked out thoroughly, I even took a trip to lincolnshire from surrey last time and am regularly kept up to date on all there progress and help where I can and the owners have been told that I will take them back at ANY stage, I can't see how I could be any more responsible for them as I HAVE chosen to breed from her. I will take her to the vet tommorrow and let you know what they say, hopfully they won't bitch at me for breeding from a dog so iresponsibly!
Ravenwood
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Hey Simon you sound like a very responsible breeder to me, most people I know who have a good working bitch will be inundated with calls for a pup.
However, I must ask, if she is a good working bitch - why aren't the pups docked?
However, I must ask, if she is a good working bitch - why aren't the pups docked?
Simsar
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I was given the bitch and she isn't docked so the vets say that as she works fine with a tail they won't do the pupps!!!
UnaB
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Hi sorry had a few things to do, thanks for the replys again, I have not gone into this half heartedly I have spoken to vets and breeders and they were of the opinion that it should be fine to breed from her again. It is a year to the month since she was last covered and she has had a seasons break and is well in herself, I posted on here for some help on this specific problem and thought I should give you ladies all the info on last time so that you had the full picture, no one that I have spoken to has been able to cast any light on this recent episode so I thought that I would post on here and see what replys I got.
I understand that you think I am iresponsible for doing this but it is my call and the homes that they are going to are all checked out thoroughly, I even took a trip to lincolnshire from surrey last time and am regularly kept up to date on all there progress and help where I can and the owners have been told that I will take them back at ANY stage, I can't see how I could be any more responsible for them as I HAVE chosen to breed from her. I will take her to the vet tommorrow and let you know what they say, hopfully they won't bitch at me for breeding from a dog so iresponsibly!
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I find it highly unlikely that it has been a year since she was mated last time given the timing of the last litter but whatever you say
It takes more to be a responsible breeder than having homes lined up and sayiing you will take puppies back - puppy farmers say the same things. A good breeder will health test the parents (i dont wish to be judgemental but i would be astounded if you bitch has any health testing), breed for a specific purpose and breed with the welfare of the bitch as the priority. By continuing with this litter it shows that her welfare is in no way your priority, but that supplying puppies for the homes you have lined up is. That is very sad, but like you say she is YOUR bitch and no one can stop you using her any way you wish, if that means making money then thats on your conscience......
Hi sorry had a few things to do, thanks for the replys again, I have not gone into this half heartedly I have spoken to vets and breeders and they were of the opinion that it should be fine to breed from her again. It is a year to the month since she was last covered and she has had a seasons break and is well in herself, I posted on here for some help on this specific problem and thought I should give you ladies all the info on last time so that you had the full picture, no one that I have spoken to has been able to cast any light on this recent episode so I thought that I would post on here and see what replys I got.
I understand that you think I am iresponsible for doing this but it is my call and the homes that they are going to are all checked out thoroughly, I even took a trip to lincolnshire from surrey last time and am regularly kept up to date on all there progress and help where I can and the owners have been told that I will take them back at ANY stage, I can't see how I could be any more responsible for them as I HAVE chosen to breed from her. I will take her to the vet tommorrow and let you know what they say, hopfully they won't bitch at me for breeding from a dog so iresponsibly!
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I find it highly unlikely that it has been a year since she was mated last time given the timing of the last litter but whatever you say
It takes more to be a responsible breeder than having homes lined up and sayiing you will take puppies back - puppy farmers say the same things. A good breeder will health test the parents (i dont wish to be judgemental but i would be astounded if you bitch has any health testing), breed for a specific purpose and breed with the welfare of the bitch as the priority. By continuing with this litter it shows that her welfare is in no way your priority, but that supplying puppies for the homes you have lined up is. That is very sad, but like you say she is YOUR bitch and no one can stop you using her any way you wish, if that means making money then thats on your conscience......
Ravenwood
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I was given the bitch and she isn't docked so the vets say that as she works fine with a tail they won't do the pupps!!!
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Thats a shame - do you find that you struggle to find good working homes if they are not docked?
I was given the bitch and she isn't docked so the vets say that as she works fine with a tail they won't do the pupps!!!
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Thats a shame - do you find that you struggle to find good working homes if they are not docked?
Simsar
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She was covered on the 27th and 28th of Feb last year, the weeks that photo was taken the pups were nearly ready to leave!
It is very well saying about health testing like with most pedigree dogs, but how many of those dogs have genetic problems in bred for generations?? Likening me to a puppy farm couldn't be further from the truth, but if thats how you feel. Money is not the main issue at all, my OP said I wanted opinions on her problem not on ethics of breeding, I actually stand by saying that I will take any pup back at any time and help with training if necessary.
Ravenwood I have had a few working only people interested but only if I can get them docked, but not to many seem bothered now days, as most that i sell to know her and that she is a good worker and don't seem to mind at all!
It is very well saying about health testing like with most pedigree dogs, but how many of those dogs have genetic problems in bred for generations?? Likening me to a puppy farm couldn't be further from the truth, but if thats how you feel. Money is not the main issue at all, my OP said I wanted opinions on her problem not on ethics of breeding, I actually stand by saying that I will take any pup back at any time and help with training if necessary.
Ravenwood I have had a few working only people interested but only if I can get them docked, but not to many seem bothered now days, as most that i sell to know her and that she is a good worker and don't seem to mind at all!
UnaB
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She was covered on the 27th and 28th of Feb last year, the weeks that photo was taken the pups were nearly ready to leave!
It is very well saying about health testing like with most pedigree dogs, but how many of those dogs have genetic problems in bred for generations?? Likening me to a puppy farm couldn't be further from the truth, but if thats how you feel. Money is not the main issue at all, my OP said I wanted opinions on her problem not on ethics of breeding, I actually stand by saying that I will take any pup back at any time and help with training if necessary.
Ravenwood I have had a few working only people interested but only if I can get them docked, but not to many seem bothered now days, as most that i sell to know her and that she is a good worker and don't seem to mind at all!
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Like i said.. whatever you say
The reason for health testing (and knowing the history of any dogs you breed from) is to try to eradicate genetic health problems. Its not an overnight fix, it is something that requires breeders to put time, effort and money into. The majority of purebred dogs that have genetic health problems are from untested lines (ie pet breeders who dont know that they should be testing, and puppy farmers). The responsible breeders who buy from solid, health tested lines and health test their dogs before breeding should find that their dogs results improve with every generation with careful breeding - this has certainly been the case with my own lines. By refusing to test your dog for even the most basic problems (hips, eyes and elbows) you are potentially adding to the problem - Jack Russells have many, many hereditary health problems, you just dont hear about it as breeders dont test and therefore results arent made public.
I hope money is not your main concern, but TBH, if that were true, why on earth would you be putting this bitch through another pregnancy and whelping after the problems last time? That is very unfair to the bitch and is, in my honest opinion, selfish on your part. You know she has had problems and yet you are happy to let her go through it again. No matter what you say about taking pups back and helping with training, im afraid that disregard for the bitches welfare speaks volumes to me about your ethics as a breeder...
She was covered on the 27th and 28th of Feb last year, the weeks that photo was taken the pups were nearly ready to leave!
It is very well saying about health testing like with most pedigree dogs, but how many of those dogs have genetic problems in bred for generations?? Likening me to a puppy farm couldn't be further from the truth, but if thats how you feel. Money is not the main issue at all, my OP said I wanted opinions on her problem not on ethics of breeding, I actually stand by saying that I will take any pup back at any time and help with training if necessary.
Ravenwood I have had a few working only people interested but only if I can get them docked, but not to many seem bothered now days, as most that i sell to know her and that she is a good worker and don't seem to mind at all!
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Like i said.. whatever you say
The reason for health testing (and knowing the history of any dogs you breed from) is to try to eradicate genetic health problems. Its not an overnight fix, it is something that requires breeders to put time, effort and money into. The majority of purebred dogs that have genetic health problems are from untested lines (ie pet breeders who dont know that they should be testing, and puppy farmers). The responsible breeders who buy from solid, health tested lines and health test their dogs before breeding should find that their dogs results improve with every generation with careful breeding - this has certainly been the case with my own lines. By refusing to test your dog for even the most basic problems (hips, eyes and elbows) you are potentially adding to the problem - Jack Russells have many, many hereditary health problems, you just dont hear about it as breeders dont test and therefore results arent made public.
I hope money is not your main concern, but TBH, if that were true, why on earth would you be putting this bitch through another pregnancy and whelping after the problems last time? That is very unfair to the bitch and is, in my honest opinion, selfish on your part. You know she has had problems and yet you are happy to let her go through it again. No matter what you say about taking pups back and helping with training, im afraid that disregard for the bitches welfare speaks volumes to me about your ethics as a breeder...
Simsar
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Thank you for your input and judgement!! I will hold of judging you as I don't know anything about you or your credentials but thanks for the input anyway. However to call someone you have never met and no nothing about a liar I find abit below the belt and that to me speaks volumes on your ethics as a human.
itsme123
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QR here, in defence of non working JRT's/'pet' breeders.
There ARE good 'pet' breeders out there. Rosie came from an excellent breeder, whom we still see even now, and hope to continue to do so. She knows each of her pups, where they are, and had the bitch spayed after two litters so the bitch could enjoy life as a spayed bitch. She also checked each owner, and had home for all her pups, barring Rosie, who she was going to keep as her next breeding bitch. However, she let us have her.
Vets can only run very basic testing on JRTs and as faras I;m aware hip scoring isn't done. When it isn't a parsons you don't get a full pedigree, we just have three generation, and were able to meet each dog/bitch, and older siblings beforehand. THAT IMO is a responsible breeder.
We;ve been asked if we'd consider A litter out of her via a stud dog already found, and been inundated with want for pups already. But we won't because I know bugger all about breeding.
BUT I can see why people want pups. When we lost our other JRT we tried to rehome his brother from a rescue centre and they wouldn't let us have him or anything else from the kennel simply because we have children. Look elsewhere and they demand you have loads of garden, no other pets, no children, all day at home with it, never leaving it, etc etc. How can the average mere mortal rehome a dog? peoploe have to work to afford food/vets/insurance and a roof over the dog's head! I would have GLADLY rehomed a dog, I so so wanted to go down that route, but the rescue centres are so picky. And it's not asif we're incapable of looking after a dog. Dog school was HIGHLY impressed that we have a hyperactive young Jill who can do all the basic commands and listen to us, of how well the children handle her and of how adored and loved she is. But that wouldnt be enough for a rescue centre.
Friends are looking for a pup. They work shifts, she does nights, he does days, so someone will be home all the time, but the RSPCA wouldn't let them rehome a little terrier x at their kennels. They've YEARSof experience too.
Another friend used to run dog school, did agility for YEARS. Their dog died and they decided to wait and rehome a collie. But because she works mornings 5x a week and he works full time, again, they cannot rehome, but yet they cannot find a quality collie pup anywhere. They've been looking for months!
Sorry, it just annoys me that people slate breeders when all that breeders are doing is supplying a demand for good family pets. Not everyone wants a working dog, what use is a working dog in a home when it;s not being 'worked'?
So long as the bitch is healthchecked, is bred by someone who knows what they're doing, and the breeder is sincerely happy to take back if there's a problem then what's the issue?
I see cayla's posts about dogs that need rehoming and it makes me want to weep, so so sad that all these dogs need homes
. But i genuinley feel that half the issue is the wrong types of dog being bred. People are breeding working dogs and selling them to family homes, instead of breeding family pets for family homes and keeping working dogs in working homes! Breeders need to actually say to people "okay, I don;t think a springer spaniel would be a good choice" and suggest a breed that would suit their lifestyle. And people need to stop breeding for fashion!
It makes me glow with pride when people say "your girl is so so good natured... I'd love one like her" I explain the downsides of owning a JRT and they mull it over and come back and say "well, if her breeder has any more will you let us know". Because she's a pet, was bred as a pet and fits the bill well.
There ARE good 'pet' breeders out there. Rosie came from an excellent breeder, whom we still see even now, and hope to continue to do so. She knows each of her pups, where they are, and had the bitch spayed after two litters so the bitch could enjoy life as a spayed bitch. She also checked each owner, and had home for all her pups, barring Rosie, who she was going to keep as her next breeding bitch. However, she let us have her.
Vets can only run very basic testing on JRTs and as faras I;m aware hip scoring isn't done. When it isn't a parsons you don't get a full pedigree, we just have three generation, and were able to meet each dog/bitch, and older siblings beforehand. THAT IMO is a responsible breeder.
We;ve been asked if we'd consider A litter out of her via a stud dog already found, and been inundated with want for pups already. But we won't because I know bugger all about breeding.
BUT I can see why people want pups. When we lost our other JRT we tried to rehome his brother from a rescue centre and they wouldn't let us have him or anything else from the kennel simply because we have children. Look elsewhere and they demand you have loads of garden, no other pets, no children, all day at home with it, never leaving it, etc etc. How can the average mere mortal rehome a dog? peoploe have to work to afford food/vets/insurance and a roof over the dog's head! I would have GLADLY rehomed a dog, I so so wanted to go down that route, but the rescue centres are so picky. And it's not asif we're incapable of looking after a dog. Dog school was HIGHLY impressed that we have a hyperactive young Jill who can do all the basic commands and listen to us, of how well the children handle her and of how adored and loved she is. But that wouldnt be enough for a rescue centre.
Friends are looking for a pup. They work shifts, she does nights, he does days, so someone will be home all the time, but the RSPCA wouldn't let them rehome a little terrier x at their kennels. They've YEARSof experience too.
Another friend used to run dog school, did agility for YEARS. Their dog died and they decided to wait and rehome a collie. But because she works mornings 5x a week and he works full time, again, they cannot rehome, but yet they cannot find a quality collie pup anywhere. They've been looking for months!
Sorry, it just annoys me that people slate breeders when all that breeders are doing is supplying a demand for good family pets. Not everyone wants a working dog, what use is a working dog in a home when it;s not being 'worked'?
So long as the bitch is healthchecked, is bred by someone who knows what they're doing, and the breeder is sincerely happy to take back if there's a problem then what's the issue?
I see cayla's posts about dogs that need rehoming and it makes me want to weep, so so sad that all these dogs need homes
It makes me glow with pride when people say "your girl is so so good natured... I'd love one like her" I explain the downsides of owning a JRT and they mull it over and come back and say "well, if her breeder has any more will you let us know". Because she's a pet, was bred as a pet and fits the bill well.
UnaB
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Thank you for your input and judgement!! I will hold of judging you as I don't know anything about you or your credentials but thanks for the input anyway. However to call someone you have never met and no nothing about a liar I find abit below the belt and that to me speaks volumes on your ethics as a human.
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Where have i called you a liar? I have just re-read my posts and cannot see any reference to you as a liar
If i posted on here about breeding my bitch that had had complications with a litter less than a year ago, i would expect people to be critical of me. Thankfully, i pride myself on putting the welfare of my dogs as the priority with any matings i do so i wouldnt find myself in that position.
Thank you for your input and judgement!! I will hold of judging you as I don't know anything about you or your credentials but thanks for the input anyway. However to call someone you have never met and no nothing about a liar I find abit below the belt and that to me speaks volumes on your ethics as a human.
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Where have i called you a liar? I have just re-read my posts and cannot see any reference to you as a liar
If i posted on here about breeding my bitch that had had complications with a litter less than a year ago, i would expect people to be critical of me. Thankfully, i pride myself on putting the welfare of my dogs as the priority with any matings i do so i wouldnt find myself in that position.
UnaB
Well-Known Member
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QR here, in defence of non working JRT's/'pet' breeders.
There ARE good 'pet' breeders out there. Rosie came from an excellent breeder, whom we still see even now, and hope to continue to do so. She knows each of her pups, where they are, and had the bitch spayed after two litters so the bitch could enjoy life as a spayed bitch. She also checked each owner, and had home for all her pups, barring Rosie, who she was going to keep as her next breeding bitch. However, she let us have her.
Vets can only run very basic testing on JRTs and as faras I;m aware hip scoring isn't done. When it isn't a parsons you don't get a full pedigree, we just have three generation, and were able to meet each dog/bitch, and older siblings beforehand. THAT IMO is a responsible breeder.
We;ve been asked if we'd consider A litter out of her via a stud dog already found, and been inundated with want for pups already. But we won't because I know bugger all about breeding.
BUT I can see why people want pups. When we lost our other JRT we tried to rehome his brother from a rescue centre and they wouldn't let us have him or anything else from the kennel simply because we have children. Look elsewhere and they demand you have loads of garden, no other pets, no children, all day at home with it, never leaving it, etc etc. How can the average mere mortal rehome a dog? peoploe have to work to afford food/vets/insurance and a roof over the dog's head! I would have GLADLY rehomed a dog, I so so wanted to go down that route, but the rescue centres are so picky. And it's not asif we're incapable of looking after a dog. Dog school was HIGHLY impressed that we have a hyperactive young Jill who can do all the basic commands and listen to us, of how well the children handle her and of how adored and loved she is. But that wouldnt be enough for a rescue centre.
Friends are looking for a pup. They work shifts, she does nights, he does days, so someone will be home all the time, but the RSPCA wouldn't let them rehome a little terrier x at their kennels. They've YEARSof experience too.
Another friend used to run dog school, did agility for YEARS. Their dog died and they decided to wait and rehome a collie. But because she works mornings 5x a week and he works full time, again, they cannot rehome, but yet they cannot find a quality collie pup anywhere. They've been looking for months!
Sorry, it just annoys me that people slate breeders when all that breeders are doing is supplying a demand for good family pets. Not everyone wants a working dog, what use is a working dog in a home when it;s not being 'worked'?
So long as the bitch is healthchecked, is bred by someone who knows what they're doing, and the breeder is sincerely happy to take back if there's a problem then what's the issue?
I see cayla's posts about dogs that need rehoming and it makes me want to weep, so so sad that all these dogs need homes
. But i genuinley feel that half the issue is the wrong types of dog being bred. People are breeding working dogs and selling them to family homes, instead of breeding family pets for family homes and keeping working dogs in working homes! Breeders need to actually say to people "okay, I don;t think a springer spaniel would be a good choice" and suggest a breed that would suit their lifestyle. And people need to stop breeding for fashion!
It makes me glow with pride when people say "your girl is so so good natured... I'd love one like her" I explain the downsides of owning a JRT and they mull it over and come back and say "well, if her breeder has any more will you let us know". Because she's a pet, was bred as a pet and fits the bill well.
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FYI - hip, elbow and eye testing can be done on any dog, pedigree or not
QR here, in defence of non working JRT's/'pet' breeders.
There ARE good 'pet' breeders out there. Rosie came from an excellent breeder, whom we still see even now, and hope to continue to do so. She knows each of her pups, where they are, and had the bitch spayed after two litters so the bitch could enjoy life as a spayed bitch. She also checked each owner, and had home for all her pups, barring Rosie, who she was going to keep as her next breeding bitch. However, she let us have her.
Vets can only run very basic testing on JRTs and as faras I;m aware hip scoring isn't done. When it isn't a parsons you don't get a full pedigree, we just have three generation, and were able to meet each dog/bitch, and older siblings beforehand. THAT IMO is a responsible breeder.
We;ve been asked if we'd consider A litter out of her via a stud dog already found, and been inundated with want for pups already. But we won't because I know bugger all about breeding.
BUT I can see why people want pups. When we lost our other JRT we tried to rehome his brother from a rescue centre and they wouldn't let us have him or anything else from the kennel simply because we have children. Look elsewhere and they demand you have loads of garden, no other pets, no children, all day at home with it, never leaving it, etc etc. How can the average mere mortal rehome a dog? peoploe have to work to afford food/vets/insurance and a roof over the dog's head! I would have GLADLY rehomed a dog, I so so wanted to go down that route, but the rescue centres are so picky. And it's not asif we're incapable of looking after a dog. Dog school was HIGHLY impressed that we have a hyperactive young Jill who can do all the basic commands and listen to us, of how well the children handle her and of how adored and loved she is. But that wouldnt be enough for a rescue centre.
Friends are looking for a pup. They work shifts, she does nights, he does days, so someone will be home all the time, but the RSPCA wouldn't let them rehome a little terrier x at their kennels. They've YEARSof experience too.
Another friend used to run dog school, did agility for YEARS. Their dog died and they decided to wait and rehome a collie. But because she works mornings 5x a week and he works full time, again, they cannot rehome, but yet they cannot find a quality collie pup anywhere. They've been looking for months!
Sorry, it just annoys me that people slate breeders when all that breeders are doing is supplying a demand for good family pets. Not everyone wants a working dog, what use is a working dog in a home when it;s not being 'worked'?
So long as the bitch is healthchecked, is bred by someone who knows what they're doing, and the breeder is sincerely happy to take back if there's a problem then what's the issue?
I see cayla's posts about dogs that need rehoming and it makes me want to weep, so so sad that all these dogs need homes
It makes me glow with pride when people say "your girl is so so good natured... I'd love one like her" I explain the downsides of owning a JRT and they mull it over and come back and say "well, if her breeder has any more will you let us know". Because she's a pet, was bred as a pet and fits the bill well.
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FYI - hip, elbow and eye testing can be done on any dog, pedigree or not
Simsar
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My bitch does work but is also a pet and as you said i too often get comments about her good nature and how well behaved she is, not all her pups went to working homes and they are all good well rounded family dogs that are introduced to as much as possible before they leave for there new homes (children, other dogs, cats, chickens etc).
Simsar
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The smirky smiley face kinda infers that you are and the sarcastic 'whatever you say'.
I am putting the welfare of my dog first that is why I am looking for others opinions on the original subject, she had a light watery bleed after birth last year that did continue for longer than usual, but i had her checked out and spoke to various people who thought that it was just that she was small and had carried a large litter and that she would be OK to breed again.
I am putting the welfare of my dog first that is why I am looking for others opinions on the original subject, she had a light watery bleed after birth last year that did continue for longer than usual, but i had her checked out and spoke to various people who thought that it was just that she was small and had carried a large litter and that she would be OK to breed again.
UnaB
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Im sorry, we're going to have to agree to disagree. You have said several things that would set alarms ringing for any breeder who cared about their dogs. The fact that she is small and already had one large litter (which gives an indication she may have another) is yet another reason why any reasonable person would not put the poor dog through this again. Why exactly do you want to breed from her again? What are you having this litter for?
I dont think you can accuse me of calling you a liar because i put a smiley face at the end of the sentence. Thats stupid!
I dont think you can accuse me of calling you a liar because i put a smiley face at the end of the sentence. Thats stupid!
Simsar
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ok we will agree to disagree, I am breeding from her again as she is a well put together, good working dog from a good working line that I enjoy working, I am breeding from her again as i would like to keep a pup from her this time.
I will take it that you weren't calling me a liar then but just as some future advice check which smilies you use before posting as a smirk kinda infirs that you are taking the piss.
lets leave it there thanks for input.
I will take it that you weren't calling me a liar then but just as some future advice check which smilies you use before posting as a smirk kinda infirs that you are taking the piss.
lets leave it there thanks for input.
itsme123
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I asked my vet, before we got Rosie, what tests I should ask for in a future pup so as to not have the same problems as we had with our other JRT. I was told that eye testing etc is done, but not usually hips.
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Phew. Who's for cheesecake?
UnaB
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ok we will agree to disagree, I am breeding from her again as she is a well put together, good working dog from a good working line that I enjoy working, I am breeding from her again as i would like to keep a pup from her this time.
I will take it that you weren't calling me a liar then but just as some future advice check which smilies you use before posting as a smirk kinda infirs that you are taking the piss.
lets leave it there thanks for input.
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If i wish to use smilies that is up to me, if you are being sensitive and take it as an insult then that is up to you. Maybe as some future advice you should try not to be so sensitive
Why didnt you keep a pup from the first litter? What did you breed that one for?
ok we will agree to disagree, I am breeding from her again as she is a well put together, good working dog from a good working line that I enjoy working, I am breeding from her again as i would like to keep a pup from her this time.
I will take it that you weren't calling me a liar then but just as some future advice check which smilies you use before posting as a smirk kinda infirs that you are taking the piss.
lets leave it there thanks for input.
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If i wish to use smilies that is up to me, if you are being sensitive and take it as an insult then that is up to you. Maybe as some future advice you should try not to be so sensitive
Why didnt you keep a pup from the first litter? What did you breed that one for?
UnaB
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I asked my vet, before we got Rosie, what tests I should ask for in a future pup so as to not have the same problems as we had with our other JRT. I was told that eye testing etc is done, but not usually hips.
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Like i said previously, vets very rarely know about what goes into breeding. I think hips, elbows and eyes are what should be done for any dog being bred from
This is where a lot of "pet" breeders find problems as they go to their vets for advice on breeding and that is usually the worst idea
But, in fairness to your breeder, if they did eye tests that is a step in the right direction. Most breeders dont even bother with that!
I asked my vet, before we got Rosie, what tests I should ask for in a future pup so as to not have the same problems as we had with our other JRT. I was told that eye testing etc is done, but not usually hips.
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Like i said previously, vets very rarely know about what goes into breeding. I think hips, elbows and eyes are what should be done for any dog being bred from
But, in fairness to your breeder, if they did eye tests that is a step in the right direction. Most breeders dont even bother with that!
itsme123
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Sometimes though the bitch's welfare comes first. I would seriously have the bitch scanned and a good long break given before I even thought of breeding from her.
Mine was the only bitch they ever had in litters from her mother, the breeders wanted to retain her for breeding from but it was decided the mother would be spayed and instead they would hold her brother from a previous litter as stud dog instead, to bring in a new bitch and continue the lines that way as they decided that was what THEY felt best for her. She;s bred for breding, she's a pretty little thing, VERY well put together, but so is her brother. Her breeders decided that was good enough for them.
Mine was the only bitch they ever had in litters from her mother, the breeders wanted to retain her for breeding from but it was decided the mother would be spayed and instead they would hold her brother from a previous litter as stud dog instead, to bring in a new bitch and continue the lines that way as they decided that was what THEY felt best for her. She;s bred for breding, she's a pretty little thing, VERY well put together, but so is her brother. Her breeders decided that was good enough for them.
Simsar
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I wanted to but there wasn't one with the right confo and markings in the right sex that I thought suited what I wanted, I know that I might not get it this time but I will forsake the markings for the confo and right sex and then have her spayed.
itsme123
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Her breeders went through different channels, they had full health checks done on both the dog and the bitch, everything barring hips. My vet is also their vet, but they went to a vetinary hospital for the actual tests (as far as I know, because my vet said he hadn't tested them). But he knew the breeders well and could confirm they'd never had issues with any of the pups (all the pups from previous litters are local and I was freely able to contact any owners if I wanted to, I just chose not to), and that was good enough for me.
Her paternal grandmother is a working bitch living on the breeder's parents farm, but the breeders breed purely for pets.
Her paternal grandmother is a working bitch living on the breeder's parents farm, but the breeders breed purely for pets.
itsme123
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would you consider having another opinion taken on the bleeding? Perhaps get referred to a vet hospital? have her scanned (It doesnt cost much, about £60) and just make sure there's nothing untoward going on? She might need treatment through pregancy and £100 for a check and scan HAS to be worth the chance between getting the bitch you want and the possibility of losing the bitch you have and/or the whole litter?
Simsar
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Yes I am going to make an appointment for tomorrow and have her scanned again. Will look into having her hips elbows and eyes done too and if necessary will pay for the dog to be done as well. Will post again tomorrow when she has been.
UnaB
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Theres not really much point having her hips, elbows and eyes done once she has been mated, its really something that needs to be done before mating so you can decide whether she is healthy enough to be considered for breeding. If it comes back with a problem its too late for the pups, especially if you are having her spayed after this litter. It would be best to ask new owners to have these tests done (maybe knock some money off the asking price and draw up a contract and hope for the best!). Unless you wanted to do it just to check all is ok with her of course, i did this with my neutered pet lab, it made him feed special
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Simsar
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how long does it take are the results instant or do you have to wait??
UnaB
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It can take about 2 months or more to get results. The x rays (for hips and elbows) have to be sent off to be examined by a panel of experts so it depends when they are meeting to look at the xrays next. The dog needs to be at least 12 months old for these tests too.
Eye tests results are given right away though.
Eye tests results are given right away though.
Ranyhyn
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QR I bought my jack russells - and I'm damn glad someone bred these run of the mill mongrel jacks
because I sure as hell wouldn't have been accepted by these so called Rescues that are about!! I am hugely pro-rescue, but I was left with a bad taste in my mouth after being refused a few times. So - I'm not home 24 hours a day, I don't have three acres of garden etc etc..
So I bought my pups and now have two (hopefully) happy little dogs who I adore.
So I bought my pups and now have two (hopefully) happy little dogs who I adore.