Dog breeders help please?? With Pics!

Just to let you all know this morning she has just a clear watery discharge no blood, and I will be booking her in to the vets in half an hour when they open just to be safe, thanks for any advice on the orignal subject.
 
Just a couple of points, as I really don't want to start this all off again. I doubt your vet would x ray her hips after being mated as it would involve at best sedation, possibly GA and of course x rays, neither of which are ideal for a possibly in whelp bitch.
Re hd, I had a jack russell pup who was very lame on a hind leg. I mentioned hd to vet who basically said I was paranoid about hips as I was a GSD breeder and of course it wasn't hd. To cut it short, further down the line with no improvement she was x rayed and guess what, hd! She had to have both femur heads removed but luckily then had a good and pain free life.
I do not want to jump on the knock the vets bandwagon, but would agree that many vets are not experts on dog breeding. I have read recently (apols if it was on here) of a vet of many years deciding to take a litter from his bitch and asking one of his breeder clients if he could watch a natural whelping of one of her bitches as he had only ever seen problem births. That is the nature of their job, why would anyone call them when everything is going fine. I have been surprised how many of my daughters vet students friends have never even owned a dog, so whereas they may know a lot more than me on the health problems of dogs, they actually are pretty crap on general doggy common sense.
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Glad the discharge has improved today Simsar, some of us will have to agree to disagree with you re mating her again, but I hope everything goes well with her. Keep us updated.
 
Well we have been to the vets and I am now nearly £90 lighter, but that is still less than I thought especially as we have been to 2 vets and both scanned her!! They both came up with the same prognosis she is a 'Bleeder' and not to worry about it as she is fine in herself and the scans showed nothing abnormal. As long as she is well in herself I have been told to forget about it until after whelping then just keep a close eye on the bleeding after that.

Thanks for all your well meaning advice.

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A irresponsible and unethical breeder
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My word - just caught up with this!! There are so many nasty and judgemental people out there! Why is it with any breeding (often found on the breeding forum here too!) that those that breed sometimes feel they are superior beings and therefore allowed to judge others who are not breeding for olympic/crufts glory, but for the joy of being able to breed happy, healthy animals?!

Simsar, in my opinion your bitch is lovely, and her litter is stunning. I certainly would not hesitate in wanting one, as a fellow JRT lover.

With regards to working dogs must have docked tails - what nonsense! I have a working JRT and she is not docked. I know of many working dogs which are not docked!

KC - emerged from the ashes of the eugenics society, and encourages breeding that leads to MANY breeds being ruined - king charles spaniels, GSDs, Labs, Pugs to name but a few! These have SERIOUS genetic flaws bred IN to conform to a ridiculous breed standard.

There is NOTHING wrong with breeding from mongrels, as long as it is done responsibly. There ARE pedigree dogs in rescue centres - normally from people who buy pedigree dogs for their papers rather than to have a companion.
 
I think you will find most peoples concern originally was for the bitch being bred from again after bleeding for 9 weeks after her previous litter. Not going to comment further on your post, other than to say I don't think it really leaves you in a position to criticise other people for being judgmental.
 
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I think you will find most peoples concern originally was for the bitch being bred from again after bleeding for 9 weeks after her previous litter. Not going to comment further on your post, other than to say I don't think it really leaves you in a position to criticise other people for being judgmental.

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It read to me like certain people just wanted a pop at someone not breeding from a KC registered pedigree, although I will admit that others were concerned for the bitch's welfare.

With regards to being judgemental - it is an interesting word - I guess anyone with an opinion is being judgemental on some score.
 
i am a very proud owner of a jrt bitch which i am having the same problem she is still spotting after her first mating a week ago I think it is very unfair on some of the replys on here this forum is for help and advice not to be slated and who people think they are slating someone elses dog is just terrible If anyone has any helpfull advice it would be greatly appreciated
 
Kelly you are missing the point, the people who are commenting adversely are only ever concerned for the welfare of the bitch and subsequent pups - regardless if the human involved agrees or not. People aren't being contentious - for the sake of it, but because they care. Nowt wrong with that.
 
that is fair enough i totally understand that but when they are saying horible things about your dog its a bit below the belt we are on here for help and advice nothing else
 
there where a few horrible comments from the 25th it would just be nice to have constructive info not harsh ones end of just dont know why people have to be harsh thats all i was saying
 
No one has said anything horrible about the dog at all. Im sure she is a lovely dog, we havent seen her so how could we say anything horrible about her.

Like others have said, any "harsh" post have been out of concern for the welfare for the dog. If you have any involvement in dog breeding you will know it is a hugely risky undertaking even with a healthy dog with a background of uncomplicated whelping, it is certainly not something that should be taken lightly. I think we are all just concerned at 1) the short rest she has had between litters, and 2) that the problems she had last time might cause even more problems this time. Even these days it is not as uncommon as people think to lose a bitch whelping and no one would want to see that happen in this case.
 
no one was slating this particular dog but there has been some about the breed and people just being harsh in there words .simstar asked for peoples advice because her dog was spotting after mating nothing else so what gives anyone else the right to go beyond this topic some good advice given by people which has helped me in the same situation thats all i have to say about this
 
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no one was slating this particular dog but there has been some about the breed and people just being harsh in there words .simstar asked for peoples advice because her dog was spotting after mating nothing else so what gives anyone else the right to go beyond this topic some good advice given by people which has helped me in the same situation thats all i have to say about this

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So, because its off topic people shouldnt mention when a dogs welfare (and possibly, life) could be at serious risk?? Im sorry, i dont agree with that. Simstar posted on a public forum and unfortunately when you do that, you are inviting ALL opinions, whether you like them or not. You dont have to take them, but if people are concerned they absolutely should speak up about it. Simstar seems to have taken notice of several of the issues brought up and all credit to him for that
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Many people are against breeding dogs that are common in rescue (JRTs, staffies, heinz 57 crosses) without consideration of homing puppies. I dont think that is the case here as it was mentioned about puppies going as working dogs i think and thats fair enough, but there are a lot in rescue and if someone reading this is put off breeding their pet quality JRT bitch for the sake of it as they have realised the reality of the difficulty homing the pups then that is only a good thing and may well help the thousands of dogs in rescue centres find a home
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his dog then sorry simsar.everyone has there own opinion and thats mine.i wont be asking advice if thats the response you get

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If you cant take criticism and advice you should not be breeding animals as you can only learn by taking advice from others
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that is advice i could do without thanks i am not a breeder its her first litter she is only having a litter as i would like another like her because she is our baby and great in every way there have been some great advice but a lot of critisim which really is not needed when you looking for advice
 
kelly the OP's original question was answered though...there were just a few side notes written in with the advice, as others have said out of concern for the dog and to try and impart some *ahem* wisdom! Simsar in my opinion dealt with that well and took it as constructive (I think). This world isn't made out of clones and we will not all agree on everything, peoples opinions differ. But if you come on here asking for advice from breeders then you will get (we only have responsibles on here
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) responsible advice from people who have strong feelings on things being done incorrectly or irresponsibley. You can't come and ask a question expecting to want to learn from people with more knowledge on a subject and then not be prepared to listen to what else they may be able to teach you. That is closed minded. Simsar has indicated they will be health testing when breeding from now on...that is not the ideal for a few of us on here but is a certainly a step in the right direction and shows that he did indeed take advice given on board and try to learn something.
I think its a shame you feel you are unable to ask advice in the future just because you think you may not like some of the advice given.
 
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I wish, I can think of at least three regular posters who I would not deem AT ALL responsible/sensible
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Can i just ask why that is not ideal but a step in the right direction Vizlak? If it is because she is not 'Pedigree' then I would ask you to consider where all dogs started as I don't believe they originate from named pedigrees, most i would believe were bred for a working purpose not just to look a certain way and have certain bloodlines????
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Most (not all I admit) breeders of pedigree dogs breed for one reason only, to improve their stock. They do loads of research into the ancestry of the dog and bitch with the hope that they will produce a puppy that is a great example of its breed, not just in looks but in working ability or whatever that breed was produced for. I don't have a problem with your bitches type personally as I had a shorter legged JRT, and you may know hers and the dogs ancestors many generations back, but if you don't then to some of us it is not ideal. However that last litter do look strong, sound pups , have you used the same dog again?
 
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