Dog Discipline - Kicking a dog....opinions pls

CaveCanem - perhaps we could 'borrow' one of the dogs who will react to the 'kickee'?!! Perhaps this is the only way to get the message across that kicking isn't the right / best solution....

I will get an update on the health / status of the dog concerned tomorrow. Hopefully it has no lasting damage as it did limp away. The owner of this dog left abruptly following the incident this morning - she was very upset as the dog has never shown any sign of malice. Again, I do appreciate there is always a 1st time.
 
nicky_jakey said:
CaveCanem - perhaps we could 'borrow' one of the dogs who will react to the 'kickee'?!! Perhaps this is the only way to get the message across that kicking isn't the right / best solution....
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Borrow mine; I could use a holiday from the indignant teenage tantrums :rolleyes::p

Honestly though, from your posts kicking dogs as a disciplinary tool seems to be one of her default options. This is possibly because she has so far been lucky enough to a) not be presented with a vets bill for any damage and b) not done it to a dog that will argue back.

It is possible that her trainer is a cretin, or that she has misunderstood what a 'light nudge or shove to break the dogs focus' is. More likely is that she has a nasty bloody temper and thinks she can get away with booting dogs, and then using 'the trainer says so' as an excuse if she's called up on her behaviour. People who cannot control their temper around animals that lack higher thought and reasoning should rethink owning/working with said animals IMO. Patience is more than a virtue with any animal; it's a necessity.

Sorry if I sound a little grumpy, it isn't aimed at you OP, more of a general grump :p
 
A hard kick like that can result in a ruptured spleen,from which a dog can bleed internally and die.Just that happened to an old friend`s bull terrier in a boarding kennel,he died two hours after she took him home.
 
YO's property and therefore YO's perogative to set the rules........visiting dogs not chasing other livestock is an acceptable rule in my book.

Dog owner should either keep a closer eye on their terrier, keep it tied on a long line or leave it in the car.

If a dog was chasing my chickens/sheep or whatever and the owner was doing nothing about it then I certainly would! TBH if a terrier or HPR is in hunt mode then it can be difficult to break the focus as the adrenaline is so up and an 'Oi' rarely penetrates when they are really going for it ......more extreme methods are then required.

However, that does not excuse regularly losing temper, abusing etc. I can see this from both sides.
 
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Again, thanks for people's thoughts and also for trying to balance the thoughts from both sides.
So long as there is no lasting damage to this terrier then this incident is over. I think we need a number of us to express our concern with the amount of force used.
 
Don't condone goal kicking - but have been known to stick my foot up the backside to get attention, but more of a lift rather than a strike if you know what I mean? And usually because it's to get dogs to stop fighting and I'd rather stick my leg in rather than my arm...seperating fighting dogs isn't fun, and generally it is more of a reaction than a planned move. So I can see how this would also be done to protect livestock...

And kicking is less dramatic than shooting offending dogs (which I do hear of farmers doing to protect sheep). So is it less of an offense to attack chickens then sheep?

Years ago when my old girlie was about a year or two, I caught her attacking my sister's fancy chickens. Keep in mind the chooks were bigger than the dog, and she ended up on the back of the chicken rodeoing around trying to kill it. Reaction one was to strangle the dog (which I didn't, but did manage to accidently give her a flying lesson with my bare foot) and then reaction two was to laugh hysterically when realising no-one was hurt. However, I can certainly imagine that my sister might have wanted to kill the dog had she caught her harming the chicken!
 
I am a dog trainer i.e. I have a dog and have trained it LOL! Where on earth do these people get their ideas from. "Oh I train dogs so I can kick it" Violence towards anything is not acceptable and teaching others thats ok is not ok. Having had to remove myself and my dog (who was also getting kicked) out of a very violent relationship I know first hand how it hurts not only their bodies but their minds. Cowering is the worst reaction she does (although she doesnt do this as much as she knows she is safe).
 
I think that the problem is, how do we consider the word "kicked"? If by using a foot, we are attempting to launch a dog into orbit, and run the risk of actual damage, then I would find this to be completely unacceptable. If, on the other hand, we are being ignored by a dog, and a firm reminder, that we actually mean what we say, is administered, with the outside of a foot, then yes, I would consider it to be quite acceptable.

If I had a visitor, who had a dog which was not under control, or a child for that matter, then the owner or parent would be the ones who I'd have a word with!

Alec.
 
I would never ever kick my dog but I have smacked her when she's been naughty/nearly been killed. To my shame thats normally a reaction to me envisioning losing my baby girl under the wheels of a lorry or to the back end of my horse.
 
Kicking a dog so that it becomes air borne and then hits a wall !
Thats not training it, thats abuse.
The YO would appear to have anger issues, and is trying to justify booting the dog.
I certainly wouldn't be taking a dog there, but I do feel that liverys dogs on livery yards aren't a good idea, seems to cause a lot of problems ?
Kx
 
Just to add that all the dogs, the YO's, grooms and anyone else who's on the yard are all loose. The YO prefers them loose as apparently if they're on leads it can wind the others (incl YO's) up.
Hence, they're always loose but everyone has to keep an eye on them. 99% of the time this works fine, although they can become 'a pack'.....then the disciplining starts...
 
I haven't read all the replies but if a strange dog was killing my chickens I would kick it to get it off them.
 
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