Dog fighting on the rise

[skinnydipper]

details | rspca.org.uk

Over 1,000 dog fighting incidents investigated in recent years

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[FenrisW]

If all of these incidents are being investigated what happened to the prosecutions? Investigations can be due to malicious or mistaken complaints. Investigations are not evidece of amything other than the fact that a complaint has been made.

Likewise, calls to the Rspca are not evidence of cruelty or neglect. If the claim is that such calls are evidence then this is a massive fail by the RSPCA because their prosecution stats are way down.

 

[skinnydipper]

Investigations can be due to malicious or mistaken complaints. Investigations are not evidece of amything other than the fact that a complaint has been made.

Hello Fenris, welcome to the forum.

Are you speaking from personal experience?

 

[Widgeon]

To be fair to @FenrisW , I would have to agree with that.

 

[FenrisW]

Hello Fenris, welcome to the forum.

Are you speaking from personal experience?

I am a member of The SHG andso am involved in looking critically at the RSPCA and its doing. I was a member of the forum but when I came back to log in after a while it seems I wasn't any more and had to re-register!

 

[skinnydipper]

Ah, my apologies, F.

Your opinion of the RSPCA reminded me of the post of another forum member who held similar views and who subsequently received a conviction for her part in a dog fighting gang which trained and bred dogs to fight.

I can see no reason for the RSPCA to claim dog fighting is on the rise if this is not the case.

I hope you will stick around and introduce us to your dogs.

 

[ycbm]

I am a member of The SHG andso am involved in looking critically at the RSPCA and its doing. I was a member of the forum but when I came back to log in after a while it seems I wasn't any more and had to re-register!

I found your previous posts by searching for your name Fenris in other people's posts, which then listed a post of yours and then clicking on your, previous, user name, allows a listing to be produced. If you ask admin they can probably link these with your current login.

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[Goldenstar]

Although there a role for the RSPCA in the preventing and prosecution of dog fighting it not a matter that a charity should be taking the lead and trying to bring private prosecutions it’s major crime and should be dealt with by the police .

 

[meleeka]

Although there a role for the RSPCA in the preventing and prosecution of dog fighting it not a matter that a charity should be taking the lead and trying to bring private prosecutions it’s major crime and should be dealt with by the police .

The police are woeful in animal related crime. They are quite happy to direct everyone to the RSPCA because it saves them having to deal with it. The RSPCA, as a charity, shouldn’t have to take out private prosecutions and be the police force for animals and they don’t have enough powers to do it correctly.

 

[Goldenstar]

It’s completely unacceptable the position atm and it’s untenable it can not last .
We should not have a charity driving welfare policy to extent the RSPCA does they need to be fully free to do what They chose.
Its not also true to say the police are woeful in this area I have experienced situations where they are good .
Dog fighting is more often than not linked to organised crime , money laundering and illegal gambling it’s a criminal enterprise that much larger than the dog fighting itself .
It needs the police and the cps to be dealing with it .

 

[TPO]

Your opinion of the RSPCA reminded me of the post of another forum member who held similar views and who subsequently received a conviction for her part in a dog fighting gang which trained and bred dogs to fight.

Who/when was that? How awful [for the dogs].

 

[skinnydipper]

Who/when was that? How awful [for the dogs].

I'll send you a pm if that's okay?

 

[FenrisW]

Ah, my apologies, F.

Your opinion of the RSPCA reminded me of the post of another forum member who held similar views and who subsequently received a conviction for her part in a dog fighting gang which trained and bred dogs to fight.

I can see no reason for the RSPCA to claim dog fighting is on the rise if this is not the case.

I hope you will stick around and introduce us to your dogs.

Wasn't me! The RSPCA has been using the number of phone calls and the number of investigations to cover a dismal prosecution record.

Why would they do this? Well they depend on donations and donations are driven by eotional articles and evidence of action.

 

[FenrisW]

I found your previous posts by searching for your name Fenris in other people's posts, which then listed a post of yours and then clicking on your, previous, user name, allows a listing to be produced. If you ask admin they can probably link these with your current login.

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Maybe. I was registered with the username Fenris and then the forum decided it wouldn't recognise me so I re-registered as FenrisW. Then that log in wouldn't work. Tried re-registering again and it told me that Fenris was already taken - not sure if that is me or someone else - but it let me register again as FenrisW/. Technology is great these days until it goes wrong and then it seems almost impossible to unravel the mess.

 

[skinnydipper]

Wasn't me! The RSPCA has been using the number of phone calls and the number of investigations to cover a dismal prosecution record.

Why would they do this? Well they depend on donations and donations are driven by eotional articles and evidence of action.

I know little to nothing about the workings of the RSPCA. Happy to be educated though.

 

[Blanche]

Ah, my apologies, F.

Your opinion of the RSPCA reminded me of the post of another forum member who held similar views and who subsequently received a conviction for her part in a dog fighting gang which trained and bred dogs to fight.

I can see no reason for the RSPCA to claim dog fighting is on the rise if this is not the case.

I hope you will stick around and introduce us to your dogs.

I really don’t pay enough attention on here, who was that then? Maybe I have forgotten but I have been here so long you’d think I would remember something so awful.

 

[rara007]

Not really a surprise when you look at the breeds on the rise. The workings of these peoples heads is very hard to comprehend.

 

[Goldenstar]

Wasn't me! The RSPCA has been using the number of phone calls and the number of investigations to cover a dismal prosecution record.

Why would they do this? Well they depend on donations and donations are driven by eotional articles and evidence of action.

The RSPCA should not be on the frontline of investigating this type of crime .The people who run dog fighting are hardened violent criminals it’s a job for the police .
Sure there’s a role for the RSPCA using their expertise .
The cost danger and difficulty of investigating crime of this magnitude when your powers are exactly the same as you and me simply makes it an unacceptable thing to except the RSPCA to do .

 

[Smitty]

I was told many years ago that RSPCA have undercover officers investigating these gangs. I hope it's not on the rise, I imagine it's been rife since it was originally banned, albeit there is a rise in people and dog population.

I read an account of the partner of a dog fighter who went out sourcing bait for training the dogs. People were handing over kittens, pups, rabbits, dogs, convinced they were going to a wonderful, loving home. I think she took her kids with her to help with credibility.

A lot of stolen dogs are sadly used as bait. Someone advised if your dog went missing to post a reward that would be higher than the dog fighters would pay.

The lowlifes that do this ought to be locked up and key thrown away.

 

[FenrisW]

I was told many years ago that RSPCA have undercover officers investigating these gangs. I hope it's not on the rise, I imagine it's been rife since it was originally banned, albeit there is a rise in people and dog population.

I read an account of the partner of a dog fighter who went out sourcing bait for training the dogs. People were handing over kittens, pups, rabbits, dogs, convinced they were going to a wonderful, loving home. I think she took her kids with her to help with credibility.

A lot of stolen dogs are sadly used as bait. Someone advised if your dog went missing to post a reward that would be higher than the dog fighters would pay.

The lowlifes that do this ought to be locked up and key thrown away.

Bait dogs and other animals is now accepted generally as an AR myth designed to bring in donations and promote the cause.

What Is A "Bait" Dog? - Myth vs. Fact

The term 'bait' dog is used to label dogs that have any types of bite marks or scars. Sadly, 'bait' dogs do now exist, but they are not as common as you think. An increasingly larger number of dogs are being labeled as 'bait' dogs each day based on nothing more than speculation.

www.whatisabaitdog.org

 

[Smitty]

Bait dogs and other animals is now accepted generally as an AR myth designed to bring in donations and promote the cause.

What Is A "Bait" Dog? - Myth vs. Fact

The term 'bait' dog is used to label dogs that have any types of bite marks or scars. Sadly, 'bait' dogs do now exist, but they are not as common as you think. An increasingly larger number of dogs are being labeled as 'bait' dogs each day based on nothing more than speculation.

www.whatisabaitdog.org

I do hope you are right, but surely they have to "blood" them on something? But then again, thinking about it, a lot of the type of dogs used seem happy to attack with no prior training.