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Whilst walking with my my 11 year old on her pony and a nervous friend this evening we were attacked by a greyhound, the dog came at us across a road and a car had to stop, the dog meant to do harm and was running in and out of the horses feet and did bite my ponies hock, did'nt draw blood but that's not the point, nervous friend on 16.2 being brought back into gentle hacking after suspensory surgery was scared , bloody dog would,nt back off till i lost the plot and chased it screaming like a banshee , i know where the dog lives , do i go round there tomorrow ? this is a regular hack for us and i have seen the dog loose before , did,nt go round there tonight as was so angry it would'nt of been pretty , advise please . :mad:
 
call the dog warden and complain like mad, report incident to police, and always carry a hunting crop out hacking - great for gate and belting loose dogs - I gave a collie a good hiding last week, bet that'll be the last time it tries to bite a horse, would've liked to have clumped the stupid owner too, but no where in sight as per bluddy usual.
 
Dog warden what a great suggestion had'nt thought of that, i did have a crop but the bloody thing was too quick , freind is reporting it to the police , thanks
 
SJcrazee said:
call the dog warden and complain like mad, report incident to police, and always carry a hunting crop out hacking - great for gate and belting loose dogs - I gave a collie a good hiding last week, bet that'll be the last time it tries to bite a horse, would've liked to have clumped the stupid owner too, but no where in sight as per bluddy usual.
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My word, from this and your other posts, you really do seem to have a problem with anyone who owns a dog. I have a dog, he is kept under control at all times, and yes, some other owners are arrogant and don't keep their dogs under control. But in my experience, those people are the minority, so please don't label everyone the same. Your posts are verging on the offensive to be honest.
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
I put another post on here a few days ago entitled "Nasty Loose Dog on Bridlepath: what would you do?" - so please feel free to have a look at that as it might give you some ideas/options of what to do.
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I don't think your incident and the OPs incident are comparable however OP will get some ideas of what her options are from your thread :)

OP I would definitely go round to the dogs house tomorrow and let them know what happened.
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
I put another post on here a few days ago entitled "Nasty Loose Dog on Bridlepath: what would you do?" - so please feel free to have a look at that as it might give you some ideas/options of what to do.
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Two different scenario's, completely.

OP - yes, I would report this incident to the dog warden.
 
Dogs must be kept under control in a public place which includes public highways and public rights of way.
I would have a quiet word with the owner and calmly explain what happened.
If it happens again then I would be tempted to report it to the police (ask for an incident number) and also the local district council dog warden.
 
Under no circumstances attempt to hit the dog, you are leaving yourself open for attack then or provoking the dog into attacking the horse further. Physical attacks will only make the dog more aggressive the next time he see's a horse and who know's what the out of come that will be. :rolleyes: Some people obviously haven't got a clue on how to handle animals.

Dog warden definately is the only course of action, the police won't do anything or care to be honest unless actual injury to a person happens.
 
The British Horse Society are collating information on dog attacks, here is the link to the form you can fill in. Everything is confidential.

https://www.bhs.org.uk/About_Us/Campaigns/Safety/Dog_attacks_on_Horses.aspx

One of our horses was attacked and bitten on the cheek and muzzle by a Pit Bull Terrier whilst out hacking last autumn. The more information the BHS collate, the more chance there is that something can be done about dangerous dogs and attacks on horses.
 
karenb said:
The British Horse Society are collating information on dog attacks, here is the link to the form you can fill in. Everything is confidential.

https://www.bhs.org.uk/About_Us/Campaigns/Safety/Dog_attacks_on_Horses.aspx

One of our horses was attacked and bitten on the cheek and muzzle by a Pit Bull Terrier whilst out hacking last autumn. The more information the BHS collate, the more chance there is that something can be done about dangerous dogs and attacks on horses.
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Really a pit bull? How did you know that was the dogs breeding?
 
OP since it sounds as tho this dog is regularly loose AND it bit the horse I would go straight to the dog warden in your case. In the other post it was poss a one off and no biting and owner may not have known about it, but here I would say report it to dog warden and also on the BHS reporting site.

Glad you are OKish.
 
Definitely the dog warden! You should find them really helpful and they will speak to the owner and put them in the picture of what will happen if they don't keep the dog under control. I wouldn't speak to the owner, from the attitude I have experienced you are just leaving yourself wide open to abuse and possibly worse.
 
lhotse said:
My word, from this and your other posts, you really do seem to have a problem with anyone who owns a dog. I have a dog, he is kept under control at all times, and yes, some other owners are arrogant and don't keep their dogs under control. But in my experience, those people are the minority, so please don't label everyone the same. Your posts are verging on the offensive to be honest.
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Good for you having a dog that is kept under control at all times - do feel though that you have been unnecessarily agressive towards this poster - there are a lot of farmers out there that would have absolutely no qualms in shooting an out of control dog. Giving it a few well aimed kicks or wallops with a crop is, IMO, more than fair and will certainly make a dog think twice about doing it again. I certainly do not agree that it would make the dog more likely to attack horses in future. I do not believe anyone has labelled all dog owners irresponsible nor arrogant either.
 
mcnaughty said:
Good for you having a dog that is kept under control at all times - do feel though that you have been unnecessarily agressive towards this poster - there are a lot of farmers out there that would have absolutely no qualms in shooting an out of control dog. Giving it a few well aimed kicks or wallops with a crop is, IMO, more than fair and will certainly make a dog think twice about doing it again. I certainly do not agree that it would make the dog more likely to attack horses in future. I do not believe anyone has labelled all dog owners irresponsible nor arrogant either.
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Actually, SJCrazzee has said that they despise ALL dog owners regardless of whether or not their dogs are under control, and that although they own a dog they will never do so again (which makes me feel rather sorry for their dog, to be owned by someone that apparently despises it!). Every time anyone posts about a dog issue, this forum is full of people tarring all dog owners with the same brush.

And yes, for some dogs being walloped would indeed make them more likely to attack in future, in the same way that dogs that have been attacked by other dogs may themselves become aggressive, taking attack as the best form of defense. It is all down to the individual dog.

I find it really sad that there is such intolerance between two groups of people with very similar needs.:( I need to exercise my dog as much as riders need to exercise their horses, and yet riders can be very inconsiderate towards me when I meet them, to the point that I am sometimes endangered by their behaviour. And yet who am I supposed to report them to...?
 
Spudlet said:
Actually, SJCrazzee has said that they despise ALL dog owners regardless of whether or not their dogs are under control, and that although they own a dog they will never do so again (which makes me feel rather sorry for their dog, to be owned by someone that apparently despises it!). Every time anyone posts about a dog issue, this forum is full of people tarring all dog owners with the same brush.

And yes, for some dogs being walloped would indeed make them more likely to attack in future, in the same way that dogs that have been attacked by other dogs may themselves become aggressive, taking attack as the best form of defense. It is all down to the individual dog.

I find it really sad that there is such intolerance between two groups of people with very similar needs.:( I need to exercise my dog as much as riders need to exercise their horses, and yet riders can be very inconsiderate towards me when I meet them, to the point that I am sometimes endangered by their behaviour. And yet who am I supposed to report them to...?
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I'm with you Spudlet. As a horse AND dog owner I can't always believe the vitriol that can be poured down on dog owners heads by some of our fellow board members!. In this instance, I too would be annoyed BUT please don't tar everyone with the same brush.
A visit to the owner is completely within your rights and reporting to the dog warden. What everyone appears to have overlooked is that this dog was near a road so could well have caused an accident. As for beating the dog - you can't advise that. I am not being a fluffy bunny I am being pragmatic. You could easily then be attacked by the dog defending itself or hoisted up legally for hurting it. Yes I would try to drive the dog away but you can't give as general advice "its OK to beat a loose dog". I have the luck to be able to ride on the downs and meet a massive number of dogs. Its exceedingly rare to ever meet a dog that is not under control or called back when we are out.

How many times do you guys seem riders on the road - not clearly visible, not paying attention to the traffic - NOT thanking the drivers for passing carefully... by the same token does that make ALL riders rubbish?


Now racing cyclists are definately fair game. The happy go lucky bikers are nice and take care, the wretched racers don't give a toss for anyone - rider, pedastrian or driver who is in their way. However, having researched it, the next time some b**ger demands we move our horses out of the way as they are "racing" will be asked to confirm club and that they have informed the council (they never do).

And if you really want to complain. What about the idiot who has organised a bike run of 350+ bikes to go over the downs on bank holiday weekend. Duh... that just happens to be one of the busiest weekends with the world and their wife wanting to go out. Just brilliant!
 
Yes, beating a dog is wrong however, if a dog is biting your horse I can imagine it would be hard to remain calm and not take drastic measures.

I don't have a problem with dog owners generally, it's the owners that don't seem to care or take any action. I've had a Weimerana (?) running around me, barking, hackles up etc... clearly acting through fear rather than aggression but the owner just stood and watched until I told her to grab her dog. I've also randomnly adopted dogs on my ride (bridleway and dog field are separated) meaning I had to try and find the owners. Saw them, the owners called and called and called. Dogs ignored them and then the owners turned around and walked away!

Luckily my horse isn't bad with dogs. What makes him bad is when the owners see us and in a panic-stricken shriek call their dogs back. At least they successfully called them back :)
 
Turning around and moving away (preferably at a run) from a dog that won't come back is actually exactly the right thing to do - although having one that comes back is preferable!:)
 
Spudlet said:
Turning around and moving away (preferably at a run) from a dog that won't come back is actually exactly the right thing to do - although having one that comes back is preferable!:)
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mmmmmmmm..........., that is what they guy who owned the dog which attacked and killed my goose was told to do, it didn't work! TBF, our dog would think we were playing and would come haring back to us if we did that but some owners do take this literally (or maybe trainers don't explain properly) and when they are 3 fields away out of sight it doesn't tend to help!

I do genuinely believe that most dog owners, who walk in open countryside, are respectful of other animals, it is the arrogant few (tends to be those who also mistakenly believe they have a right to walk where they want IME). I suppose if you have constant problems, with no good experiences in between, then you will adopt a very negative view of both dogs and their owners. It is quite sad really as I pity those people who don't have a dog in their lives (a horse too for that matter)
 
Spudlet said:
Turning around and moving away (preferably at a run) from a dog that won't come back is actually exactly the right thing to do - although having one that comes back is preferable!:)
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Yeah i've heard of that technique and seen it in practice, however, these people had just blatently given up and strolled away without looking back!

Free dog, whoop!
 
mcnaughty said:
Good for you having a dog that is kept under control at all times - do feel though that you have been unnecessarily agressive towards this poster - there are a lot of farmers out there that would have absolutely no qualms in shooting an out of control dog. Giving it a few well aimed kicks or wallops with a crop is, IMO, more than fair and will certainly make a dog think twice about doing it again. I certainly do not agree that it would make the dog more likely to attack horses in future. I do not believe anyone has labelled all dog owners irresponsible nor arrogant either.
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Actually, I think you need to re-evaluate exactly who is posting agressively here.
To quote SJCrazzee
"Grrrrrrrrr I am beginning to hate....no totally DESPISE dog owners -the most selfish bunch of self righteous ***** I have ever had the "pleasure" to come across.

We have them letting their ill behaved, overweight, pig headed mutts off the lead next to the sheep - I can and I WILL shoot any ruddy mutt worrying my stock. I have however, put a beware of the bull sign up - most dog owners are too friggin' thick to work out that my pet jersey girl - is in fact, a harmless girl cow!!! keeps them and their ruddy mutts well away!!!"

I wonder which abusive word the ***** stands for?
 
I spent some time telling one of our clients 'Jump up and down! Squeak! Wave your arms about!' to get her pup back to her this weekend. Bless him, she has done a top job getting him to stay in one place, so much so that he didn't want to get up and go to her at first:D He soon twigged though! You just have to be more interesting than the rest of the world, somewhat challenging at times, but it's as well to remember that there is no dignity with dogs (I told the clients that too);) I suppose I am lucky not to have been locked up yesterday, my dog was being a bit inattentive so when he wasn't looking I dropped right to the ground behind a clump of heather (narrowly missing a pile of deer poop which was about 2 inches away from my nose when I landed :eek:) - he soon came back too and was much better after that. I will end up being taken away by the men in white coats one of these days:D
 
Elbie said:
Yeah i've heard of that technique and seen it in practice, however, these people had just blatently given up and strolled away without looking back!

Free dog, whoop!
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You should have kept it, you could have posted it to me for training;) I likes a challenge (hence why I own my infuriating little darling dog):D
 
I need to exercise my dog as much as riders need to exercise their horses, and yet riders can be very inconsiderate towards me when I meet them, to the point that I am sometimes endangered by their behaviour. And yet who am I supposed to report them to...?
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Sorry to hear that people have been inconsiderate, but how have horse riders endangered you when you were out with your dog? Was your dog on a lead when this happened?

I would think that dog walkers have the option of going on footpaths rather than bridleway, thus avoiding horses completely.

I think 99% of all dogs are wonderful. It's the misbehaving, out of control dogs--and their feckless owners--who are the problem.
 
The worst was when I was on the road standing at the edge and a hunt follower cantered at us making no attempt to avoid us - had to leap into the hedge to avoid being squished. The woman was a disgrace - fat horse, not amazingly turned out and rude as you like:mad: I was btw standing watching the hounds work, and hardly looked like a sab or 'monitor' so she had no excuse (not that it would be any excuse anyway).

I've also had various riders pass me at speed - I always put my dog onto a lead passing horses but it helps if the riders slow down as many dogs will become excitable on seeing high-speed horses pass them - it's really inconsiderate of them. Riders cantering on shared paths when they can't see ahead of them... this is on Forestry Commission land, where I have as much right to be as the riders and while I have no objection to people having a canter (I have also ridden on this land) it would be nice if they could wait until they can see the way ahead is clear! And I've also caught loose horses after people have come off (not that they did it on purpose so we can't really call them inconsiderate. But it does liven up my walks when that happens).
 
I actually think this is very simple - and not I am not tarring all dog owners with a brush and I still think a farmer has every right to get peed off with dog owners that allow their dogs to run amock around livestock which is obviously what that poster was getting at.

If you have a dog that is in any way agressive towards dogs, people or horses it should be kept on a lead at all times. Also, if you cannot call your dog to heel. If the dog is only agressive towards horses for whatever reason then it should be kept on a lead when on a bridleway. I have never seen a dog being attacked by a ridden horse unless the dog is attacking the horse then quite frankly if I could train my mare to aim and fire with both back feet I would start training tomorrow!

I actually find most dog walkers very very friendly and their dogs great too. But if we were attacked whilst out on a ride and my mare bitten then I would report it to both the police and the dog warden - not to do anything probably that time but if the dog can be proven to be a problem then a series of reported incidents could make up a pretty compelling case.
 
The worst was when I was on the road standing at the edge and a hunt follower cantered at us making no attempt to avoid us - had to leap into the hedge to avoid being squished. The woman was a disgrace - fat horse, not amazingly turned out and rude as you like I was btw standing watching the hounds work, and hardly looked like a sab or 'monitor' so she had no excuse (not that it would be any excuse anyway).
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I agree that this is very inconsiderate! People should never canter in close proximity to walkers, cyclists, etc. and never canter where they don't have visibility of the way ahead. Sorry you had such an unpleasant experience!
 
maisiemoo said:
Whilst walking with my my 11 year old on her pony and a nervous friend this evening we were attacked by a greyhound, the dog came at us across a road and a car had to stop, the dog meant to do harm and was running in and out of the horses feet and did bite my ponies hock, did'nt draw blood but that's not the point, nervous friend on 16.2 being brought back into gentle hacking after suspensory surgery was scared , bloody dog would,nt back off till i lost the plot and chased it screaming like a banshee , i know where the dog lives , do i go round there tomorrow ? this is a regular hack for us and i have seen the dog loose before , did,nt go round there tonight as was so angry it would'nt of been pretty , advise please . :mad:
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I have been attacked by several dogs....
Firstly you must contact the Police, and the Environmental Health Department of the local council. It is an offence for a dog to threaten a member of the public and it is an offence for a dog not to be under control in a public place, and as the dog actually made contact with your horse and bit him, it is a far greater offence, so the police should take this very seriously!

A collie attacked my TB 18 month and grabbed his tail. My horse slid on the tarmac and both hind legs fell from underneath him. My TB is a very sharp 17.2hh and it happened on a road, so you can imagine how horendous the whole incident was. The police gave the owners a warning, and asked them to errect a fence around their property. The dog attacked another rider from the same yard as me a few weeks later, and the police went round again and reminded them they have to either keep the dog indoors, tethered or errect a fence around their property. The dog was then reported for a third incident, and two young girls actually fell off their ponies, who bolted on the road, and this time the dog was taken from the owners and I believe it was destroyed.

About 3 weeks ago, a different dog ran flat out of another road, barking and snarling at my youngster I was hacking. My horse spun round, into the car behind me! Luckily the car managed to stop by the time I was on top of it, and no damage or injuries were caused. I reported that to the police. The owners of the dog got fined, because they were at home, whilst their dog was loose and on the road chasing horses and causing traffic caos and near accidents. The owners tried to deny it was their dog, but witnesses had to give statements, and the police took it all very seriously.

I've never reported dog chasing/attacking incidents that have happened to me off road, but on two nasty occasions I really layed into the owners - and I've never seen them since ;) However I always report dog incidents that happen on a road, as I feel that's a whole different ballgame, and my own experience for keeping control of the situation counts for nothing when cars and traffic are put into the scenario.
 
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