Dog killed at Burghley

[Fools Motto]

Can anyone shed any light on this?
I read a very brief news feed that a Dachshund puppy was attacked by a staffie while both owners were walking with them on leads. Staffie owner has yet to be found.

 

[Maesfen]

The pup was just 10 weeks old and out with some six others to be socialized which was so damn stupid in the first place, Burghley is not the place to take any young pup let alone one that young, it wouldn't even have been clear from its jabs. Saying that, the dog which attacked it should be put down itself - and his owner for allowing it to happen. A totally needless incident which caused the poor pup to lose its life.

 

[AmyMay]

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?676550-Very-sad-news-rip-little-puppy

 

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The pup was just 10 weeks old and out with some six others to be socialized which was so damn stupid in the first place, Burghley is not the place to take any young pup let alone one that young, it wouldn't even have been clear from its jabs. Saying that, the dog which attacked it should be put down itself - and his owner for allowing it to happen. A totally needless incident which caused the poor pup to lose its life.

This exactly - why on earth anyone in their right mind would take a 10 week old puppy to Burghley is beyond me, and why they allowed it to get that close to another dog with a completely unknown temperament is also astonishing. I do, however, agree that the attacking dog should be PTS, and so should it's owner...

 

[Cyrus]

Granted I agree with it being mad taking a 10 week old pup to Burghley but if they really wanted to why wasn't it in owners arms a daxie pup would hardly weigh a thing so wouldn't be hard why they had it on ground on a busy path as stated is beyond me

 

[Luci07]

Attacking dog reportedly " looked" like a "Stafford x". Not a Stafford. Mine are all pretty keen on puppies which includes very small ones.

And guys, before you give the owner grief, she is on this forum and is pretty upset so perhaps try to be a little kinder. Maybe now is not the time and place and as we all know, hindsight is a useless quality.

 

[lastchancer]

How sad, lessons learned by both dogs owners today I should think.
I'm not a fan of any bully breeds but I must say I've seen two staffs whilst out riding today, along with a local dog that is known to be a pitbull/pitbull x, all three were beautifully behaved, one staffie had a muzzle on but it's owner was obviously training it, so maybe it was a rescue.

 

[SadKen]

This is horribly sad but also why I don't allow my two to interact with other dogs we don't know. You can never be sure and the reward isn't worth the risk, we have plenty of dogs we do know to play with. My big GSD was attacked at 14 weeks with no provocation by my BIL's cairn terrier, we were lucky that the cairn got his ear and not somewhere more important. It took three of us to get him off, I had to put my knee on his throat til he passed out while my puppy screamed and screamed. Some dogs are not wired properly to show normal dog gentleness towards puppies and you won't get any hints until they try to kill them. personally I would have put that cairn to sleep, but I accept that I'm biased. Poor lil dasch, whatever the background this is terrible.

 

[Alec Swan]

What is it about public arenas where those with dogs, can't leave them at home? Even the commentator on todays coverage said that he'd never seen anything like it. The time will come when the organisers will ban dogs from these major events, and when they do, if they had a voice, the average dog would agree, including the odd Dachsi from beyond the grave! Just what did that woman think that she was doing?

The odd terrier or two will be there for the fight, but most dogs hate being dragged around, and those who don't agree will be those who don't recognise a dog under stress.

Alec.

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. Some dogs are not wired properly …….. .

Rarely the dog, generally its owner.

Alec.

 

[LaMooch]

The pup was just 10 weeks old and out with some six others to be socialized which was so damn stupid in the first place, Burghley is not the place to take any young pup let alone one that young, it wouldn't even have been clear from its jabs. Saying that, the dog which attacked it should be put down itself - and his owner for allowing it to happen. A totally needless incident which caused the poor pup to lose its life.

Agree fully

This exactly - why on earth anyone in their right mind would take a 10 week old puppy to Burghley is beyond me, and why they allowed it to get that close to another dog with a completely unknown temperament is also astonishing. I do, however, agree that the attacking dog should be PTS.

Also agree with this as it would been PTS if it was a child

How sad, lessons learned by both dogs owners today I should think.
I'm not a fan of any bully breeds but I must say I've seen two staffs whilst out riding today, along with a local dog that is known to be a pitbull/pitbull x, all three were beautifully behaved, one staffie had a muzzle on but it's owner was obviously training it, so maybe it was a rescue.

Not always the breed it is how it is trained as this post shows

What is it about public arenas where those with dogs, can't leave them at home? Even the commentator on todays coverage said that he'd never seen anything like it. The time will come when the organisers will ban dogs from these major events, and when they do, if they had a voice, the average dog would agree, including the odd Dachsi from beyond the grave! Just what did that woman think that she was doing?

The odd terrier or two will be there for the fight, but most dogs hate being dragged around, and those who don't agree will be those who don't recognise a dog under stress.

Alec.

I agree I do not understand why people take their dogs to things like this the journey and the crowds can affect any dogs behaviour

 

[Honey08]

I get sick of saying this every year, but my dogs love going to the big events. And yes I can tell a stressed dog thank you! We take food and water and don't take them into the shopping village. It's just a good walk with lots to see for them. I also love seeing everyone else's dogs. 99.9% of them are well behaved.

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. And yes I can tell a stressed dog thank you! ……...

One day, should you be agreeable, you and I will meet up at an event, with thousands of people, and with almost that many dogs, in the heat and over many hours, and we'll view the same situations, and then we'll compare notes. It will be interesting, to see if we see the same things! ……. That's if you're agreeable, of course.

Alec.

 

[Goldenstar]

I am another who takes her dogs all over the place but thinks Burghley is no place for dogs unpleasant for them , cramps your style as the owner and by the end of the day the dog crap everywhere is unpleasant for everybody .
I feel very sorry for the owner of the puppy, a horrible thing to happen .

 

[SadKen]

Rarely the dog, generally its owner.

Under most circumstances I agree completely, but in this instance the owner was pretty competent and the dog gave no hint of a warning. No growl, no uncomfortable body language, nothing. They weren't near to each other when the attack occurred, the cairn sprinted 20 feet to initiate. He'd never attacked before, and we had no idea it was going to happen. I know you used the caveat 'rarely', just wanted to say in this case I'm pretty satisfied it was the dog. Never seen anything like it before or since. My GSD doesn't like other dogs much, but he is incredibly patient and sweet with puppies as I think most dogs are.

 

[Honey08]

I would gladly meet you Alec with our two happy dogs. Although we wouldn't be there if it was hot, all the events this year have been cool, apart from Chatsworth, this year. But we won't be in the middle of the crowds, we'd be walking the course, usually backwards to avoid the masses, and if we were at a busy bit hubby, who is 6'4 would be at the back, away from the people, watching over their heads with the dogs, while I watched somewhere I could see. And we'd be stopping regularly, picnicking, watering the dogs etc.we're not stupid, we keep an eye on them, they come first, and if there were any signs of hem struggling in any way we would reconsider. Last year we did when the older lab struggled with the heat at Badminton, and we seriously thought it may be time to leave her at home, but with a bit of weight lost and cooler events this year she had been fine again. Obviously this will be monitored constantly.

There was one bit they were stressed this year, which was when they went past the lake on the way back to the car and weren't allowed in (they usually are but there were algae in it this year).

 

[Clodagh]

I must admit I hate dogs at these events and my lot would hate every minute. Most dogs at Burghley looked happy enough though, generally the terriers and the labs hoovering around the food stalls! Some looked terrified to.

 

[wipeout]

We passed a group of dogs (several dachshunds) which I am guessing were probably the ones with the pup which was killed.
We met them in the middle of a very busy shopping area, they were all in the ground and I actually commented to my OH that it couldn't be very nice for them in between lots of moving feet and legs. I wasn't actually enjoying it at this point, people were shuffling more than walking, and everyone was bunched up together.
In that situation I would imagine a passing dog might be suddenly face to face with another dog and whilst it's no excuse for a dog killing another I would imagine the likelihood of a fight breaking out is increased. I suppose a medium size dog would do serious damage to such a small breed puppy quite quickly so perhaps neither owner had time to intervene. It bad form for the owner of the bigger dog to walk away without conversation.
I can't imagine wanting to take my dog into the busy shopping area, it wouldn't be any fun for him at all but I did see lots of responsible dog owners out along the course who were making time to exercise their dogs away from the crowds and clearing up after them.
It's very sad that this poor little dog lost his life.

 

[milo'n'molly]

It is terribly sad for the poor puppy, whilst I agree it probably the most sensible decision to take such a young puppy to somewhere like burghley and have him on the floor in busy places but I don't think it could have been anticipated that it would be killed by another dog. If your dog is not 100% with other dogs or gets anxious in busy places then it has no place at such a busy event and to just walk off is unforgivable.
I can see what Alec means as I also see unhappy dogs getting dragged around and pulled through busy trade stands and whilst it is a fairly common sight I would say the biggest majority of dogs are happy and enjoying the day out.
I take my dog with me more often than not but we get there early, have a look at the stands whilst quiet then stay out on the course avoiding the crowds (I don't enjoy being crowded and jostled never mind the dog) and have a nice walk and picnic and he certainly loves it. I also would not go if it was a particularly hot day but he has an adequate wardrobe to cope with the more miserable days

 

[MotherOfChickens]

What is it about public arenas where those with dogs, can't leave them at home? Even the commentator on todays coverage said that he'd never seen anything like it. The time will come when the organisers will ban dogs from these major events, and when they do, if they had a voice, the average dog would agree, including the odd Dachsi from beyond the grave! Just what did that woman think that she was doing?

The odd terrier or two will be there for the fight, but most dogs hate being dragged around, and those who don't agree will be those who don't recognise a dog under stress.

Alec.

its completely bizarre that people do it I agree. I am sure the dogs would rather be at home. Besides anything else I was actually stuck on the A1 (as in stationary) for 90mins on Friday afternoon due to two accidents. It was 25 degrees and people were having to get dogs and kids out of cars as it was so hot.

 

[Mitchyden]

I feel very sorry for the lady concerned and as I didn't see the incident, I can't comment on which dog was to blame.
What I will say though it that I don't understand why you would take a puppy so young to socialise at an event like this.
I used to have a greyhound that wasn't particularly tolerant of small breeds and I hated having to muzzle her just because owners of small dogs thought it was ok to let them run up to her on a flexi-lead and say hello. I remember asking a lady to call her Jack Russell away from mine as my dog was getting distressed with it constantly around her feet. Her reply was that her dog was being sociable and just wanted to play. This was at a small local show and I ended up having to walk off to get away from it!

 

[Wiz201]

I've got a cockapoo whose been steadily introduced carefully to groups of friendly dogs -he was taken out just over 10 weeks to his first proper cockapoo group walk and we alternated between carrying him and letting him walk, plus we played 'pass the puppy' around the group members so he got used to other men and women. He got rough housed by a staffy at 5 months old and his screams were heard across the beach and the owners weren't even apologetic.
I don't go out to many busy show grounds myself as I can get quite stressed never mind the dogs. But Teddy has been out to two small low key event so far and he was okay as he just wanted to meet the other dogs, he's now one year old. I'm gradually introducing him so he can get used to going to agility shows eventually.

 

[LaMooch]

I would never take my dog to place like that. He loves people and gets on with other dogs but hates crowds and if I put him in a situation like that i would be asking for trouble even though in 4 years I have had him he never turned I most likely would in situation that he is unhappy with and TBH it is not his fault as he only doing what his instincts tell him. As his owner it is my responsibility to not put my dog in a situation he not happy with

 

[firm]

In the last 12 mths there have been at least two Dachshund x dogs killed in Scotland (whilst out walking) by bigger dogs that also happened to be bull breeds. So it happens whether the dogs are at an event or not. Poor puppy and owner, horrible experience.

 

[Alec Swan]

…….. . Poor puppy and owner, horrible experience.

I agree, and regardless of the arguments, it will be a difficult time for the owner of the victim.

Alec.

 

[Copperpot]

Of our 4 dogs only one will tolerate puppies. The other 3 for some reason don't like them at all. They will try to get away and if they can't and the puppy won't leave them alone they would snap. The staffy x loves puppies, the terries both hate them.

In a busy environment where dogs are on leads and can't get away, one shake is all it would take.

OH and I have taken 2 of our dogs to Blenheim but the other 2 would hate it. The terriers love it and also I wouldn't want to be in charge of more than 1 dog at a time at a place like that.

 

[Clodagh]

Copperpot - so although your terriers would attack a puppy you would take them to a crowded place like a horse trials? Sorry if I misread that.

 

[Wiz201]

No copperpot was saying that they would snap if a puppy got too close and they would actually try to get away from it which is a fear thing rather than aggression

 

[MyBoyChe]

What an awful thing to happen on what should have been a nice day out! I agree that the owner of the dog who did the attacking needs to be traced and dealt with, you cant really hold the dog responsible for its actions, it was probably hacked off at being dragged round all day. We are off to Blenheim on Saturday, OH has suggested it might be nice to take young Archie with us (12 month old JRT) and whilst I agree, it would be nice to spend a day out with him Im sure he would rather spend his day out running about in the fields we walk in rather than being on his lead all day and then having to go shopping!! I have never met a dog that enjoyed shopping! Im lucky because we have a very good neighbour who will pop in and out during the day and one of her teenage boys will sit and do his homework in our house so the door can be open for a bit, but if I didnt have, I would either pay a dogsitter or stay at home. JMO but I dont think big events like this are really the best place for a dog. The pups owner has my sympathies though, I cannot for one minute believe she thought anything this awful would happen somewhere like Burghley and whilst I do question how sensible it was to take a young pup out for the day, maybe her circumstances are such that it was the lesser of two evils.

 

[Spring Feather]

How sad. Poor little puppy.