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This resonates strongly with me.


When I started dog training, when we first got off the ark 😉 there was no such term as ‘Reactive’… it didn’t exist.

No one called their dogs ‘Reactive’…. But ‘Reactivity’ still existed…

When I started training, I went to a school hall in East London. I was a dog obsessed kid who was totally infatuated with anything dog related! I had worn my parents down sufficiently for them to get me my first dog, Scrunch.

Scrunch was not exactly Lassie, and as I have detailed before, she came with a list of behavioural challenges as long as your arm!

When we first attended that class, I can recall vividly being told ‘Don’t go near that chair… that’s Danny’s chair’.

I had no induction as to whom ‘Danny’ may be… but I soon learned!

Danny was a half white faced Border Collie, with mottling all over his body. He was owned by one of the class attendees called ‘Cyril’. Cyril and Danny would sit on a particular chair not far from the entrance to the hall, and whilst Cyril would sit drinking cups of tea for the majority of the evening, Danny would be curled under his chair like a cobra, waiting to strike! And strike he did… to anyone and anything that came within close proximity of ‘his chair’…
You would on occasion forget about ‘Danny’s chair’, and whilst nonchalantly walking around the hall or daring to enter the target zone he had allocated, you would suddenly be greeted with a pain in your calf, ankle or foot! Danny was claiming his space… quick as a flash, he would dart back under ‘His chair’, and re-coil waiting for his next victim…

I soon learned to take a wide berth of Danny’s chair! But when he was out from under it, he was the most wonderful dog. He would train relentlessly for hours, all for a pat on the head and a piece of liver! His speed and enthusiasm could never be squashed no matter how Cyril tried, and his desire to work and please were in abundance. He was everything a Border Collie should be…. And he also saw feet approaching him, as things to be nipped and herded…. Simple really.

This is where the story gets interesting…

There would be no calls of sympathy, or health and safety review… no barrier or safety protocols implemented to prevent said ‘attack’ again… there would be no apology or explanation… There was no social media post lambasting Cyril for his ‘out of control dog’… or calls for his head on a stick!

There would simply be Cyril’s dulcet tones, ‘I told you that was Danny’s chair’…. followed with a chorus of wry chuckles and sniggering!

See, back when I first started training dogs over 30yrs ago… the world was a slightly different place… There was no internet, no mobile phone, no social media… can you imagine! But when it came to dogs, we were also very different. Some things I am glad we left behind…. But there are some things we could do with taking note of.

We used techniques and methods which would make your toes curl and the hairs on your neck stand bolt upright! Aversive tools weren’t just accepted, they were encouraged!

We didn’t have as many labels for our dogs as we did now… and we didn’t have cavachons, cockerpoos, labradoodles…. We had cross breeds and mongrels…

People would chastise their dogs physically without a second thought, and go about their merry way…. Shoving your puppies face in its faecal matter was just one approach to toilet training!

I shudder now, looking back at how naive and misinformed we were….

Now we could discuss whether this was better or worse, and that would indeed be a colourful discussion, but like all things, we need to take a more candid look at reality of viewing things as simply as ‘better or worse’. It actually, wasn’t all bad…. And certainly not in Danny’s case.

Danny wasn’t a dog that needed a label, and whilst in todays day and age, he would be qualified as ‘reactive’…. He was simply a Border Collie who was both resource guarding, and reacting to motion intermittently. He was accepted for his idiosyncrasies and people viewed him as he should be. Brilliant and yet not perfect. He has his quirks…. And that was ok.

Now, there could be a dozen ways to overcome the issues Danny had, using reinforcement… but there is also beauty in accepting him for what he was, and being respectful that there was some things he didn’t like.

We often expect our dogs to be perfect, and as a society that standard is set so high that so many of our dogs fail to reach the dizzy heights that we have set. And in doing so, place so much blame and pressure on owners who ‘fail’ to have a ‘Perfect dog’.

Some where along the line, where we have become more aware of the nuances of dog Behaviour and understanding, we have attached unrealistic expectations of our dogs. And therefore, owners.

We need to manage our expectations of our dogs and set realistic goals for them to attain and their owners to strive for. They may have little quirks and ‘issues’… but don’t we all?? And in viewing people with ‘reactive dogs’, be aware of our response and choice to extend compassion to both the dog and owner.

So on a final note….

In a world where you can be anything, be kind….
 

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In a controlled situation. where Danny ONLY guards that specific chair, and everyone present is aware of this and accepts the risk? Sure, whatever.
But if Danny is guarding every chair his owner sits in? Such as outside a cafe? At a gathering? And zips out to bite whichever unknowing member of the public happens to wander within his trigger zone? Nah, sorry but that's not acceptable behaviour.
Not saying the dog in this example did this, or that his owner put him in such situations, but I don't think it's an unrealistic expectation for a dog not to run out and bite unsuspecting people. That's not quirky, that's dangerous behaviour.
 

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In a controlled situation. where Danny ONLY guards that specific chair, and everyone present is aware of this and accepts the risk? Sure, whatever.
But if Danny is guarding every chair his owner sits in? Such as outside a cafe? At a gathering? And zips out to bite whichever unknowing member of the public happens to wander within his trigger zone? Nah, sorry but that's not acceptable behaviour.
Not saying the dog in this example did this, or that his owner put him in such situations, but I don't think it's an unrealistic expectation for a dog not to run out and bite unsuspecting people. That's not quirky, that's dangerous behaviour.
No and Danny should never be put in that situation.
 

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I think one of the problems is that some people don't think they have a problem.

I was talking to someone with a very pushy in your face (or rather in your dog's face) lab who said he had been asked to put his dog on a lead by a spaniel owner whose dog is terrified of other dogs. He objected and said he wouldn't as it wasn't his dog that had a problem! He also said that there was something about his dog that other dogs didn't like:rolleyes:
 

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I think one of the problems is that some people don't think they have a problem.

I was talking to someone with a very pushy in your face (or rather in your dog's face) lab who said he had been asked to put his dog on a lead by a spaniel owner whose dog is terrified of other dogs. He objected and said he wouldn't as it wasn't his dog that had a problem! He also said that there was something about his dog that other dogs didn't like:rolleyes:

I agree re people not knowing they have a problem being the real issue. I have a friend who is blissfully unaware/doesn't care that their dog is a resource guarder, actively denies it. Now, I wouldn't mind if there was training and strategies but the party line is there's no issue. Looked after it once and never again.
 

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Giving the friend the benefit of the doubt, and throwing it out there as a broader question not just this specific friend's situation - is it possible that the dog's resource guarding just isn't a problem for them? Just thinking that there's a fair bit of mild to moderate 'bad behaviour' I'm prepared to tolerate, as payoff for the spicy type of dog I like to have, because my set-up and management routine doesn't make it a problem.

Equally I wouldn't be asking anyone unwitting to look after them either!
 

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Giving the friend the benefit of the doubt, and throwing it out there as a broader question not just this specific friend's situation - is it possible that the dog's resource guarding just isn't a problem for them? Just thinking that there's a fair bit of mild to moderate 'bad behaviour' I'm prepared to tolerate, as payoff for the spicy type of dog I like to have, because my set-up and management routine doesn't make it a problem.

Equally I wouldn't be asking anyone unwitting to look after them either!

I totally agree with you. I mentioned some of the behaviour and no/ they laughed it off and described him as a ' bit of a hoarder' but insist it's not a problem. A dog you can't go within six feet of when it's got a toy/treat isn't a hoarder.
I think they've just learned as you say to live with him and his behaviours and decided it's fine. If they had said something like oh gosh he's never shown that behaviour at home I wouldn't have given it a second thought! Or if I'd been prewarned I wouldn't have had a problem managing it/preparing for it.

Just feels like they're doing the dog a disservice if he becomes the type that no one is willing to look after - they do travel pretty regularly.
 

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I was listening to an interesting podcast with a dog trainer and a behaviourist and they were saying we are seeing more dogs with problems now. Partly because we have higher expectations of our dogs, partly because we are breeding more and more for looks rather than temperament and partly because we tend to live very differently now to how we did 20, 30 years ago. They also made the point that with the rise of the internet, dog training became much more accessible as did the science, and in some cases ‘science’, behind it.
While I agree in some ways that there is a lot to be said about accepting dogs for who they are, there comes a point where this is not doing the dog any favours.
 

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TikTok and the generation of Internet Dog Trainers is one of the worst things that has happened to dog training in recent years IMO.
Probably even worse than people who write lovely research documents and books but who can't practically train ivy up a wall.
The podcast I was listening to did mention the fact that universities are churning out animal behaviourist graduates but they have no practical skills and don’t even know how to go into a kennel without letting the dog out.
Completely agree about the TikTok dog trainers. It seems to be that those with a social media presence are given far more weight than people who actually know what they’re talking about.
 

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The podcast I was listening to did mention the fact that universities are churning out animal behaviourist graduates but they have no practical skills and don’t even know how to go into a kennel without letting the dog out.
Completely agree about the TikTok dog trainers. It seems to be that those with a social media presence are given far more weight than people who actually know what they’re talking about.

What scares me about the latter is that the format of TikTok means that young people think that **everything** in life can be explained in sub two minute chunks. And dog training definitely isn't like that.
 

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On fb I keep getting videos by ‘bad boy’ or something? A young black guy who wears sunglasses at all times. I don’t watch them very often but my first thought is I never wear sunglasses when training, I think dogs aren’t keen.
Is that just a ‘me’ idiosyncrasy?
 

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I have very pale-coloured eyes and struggle with bright light, I wear sunglasses pretty much all the time when I'm outside, including dog training. My own dogs are used to it.
Some judges don't like sunglasses or peaked in case it's handler help/a signal to the dog.
We're not really supposed to have constant eye contact in the obedience anyway.
 

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On fb I keep getting videos by ‘bad boy’ or something? A young black guy who wears sunglasses at all times. I don’t watch them very often but my first thought is I never wear sunglasses when training, I think dogs aren’t keen.
Is that just a ‘me’ idiosyncrasy?

Wearing sunglasses wouldn't work for me. I teach "watch me", we make eye contact, have a connection. When I had my deaf dog reading my facial expression was a big part of our communication.
 
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I think it's possible to have a good connection with a dog without staring in their eyes all the time. I mean for one, I'm a clumsy twonk and I would trip over 🤣

If they're looking in the general direction of my face/head, I'm happy, I have to use peripheral vision a lot 😉
 

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I don't ask for constant attention but to look at me when asked.

When training my deaf dog I started with a torch flash, then tried a thumbs up, we settled on eyes widening and raised eyebrows to tell her 'good girl' when she did as I asked. A bridge before the reward.
 

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I did hear of a ringsport trainer who was said to be able to control his dog with his eyebrows.

I think it's horses for courses, there are some visually impaired people training who have no choice but to wear large dark glasses and my friend has a dog with only one eye and they do have an excellent connection.

Like I say, my target is the upper half of my body in the heeling and the general head/face area for socially checking in, recalls and dumbell so if I get that I'm happy! I do be more paranoid since my mother's melanoma so my young dog has also had to put up with me having my hood up and wearing a wide-brimmed hat too, she's happy out!
In training she does get a lot of smiles and verbal 'good girls' in the work on top of the reward.
 
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On fb I keep getting videos by ‘bad boy’ or something? A young black guy who wears sunglasses at all times. I don’t watch them very often but my first thought is I never wear sunglasses when training, I think dogs aren’t keen.
Is that just a ‘me’ idiosyncrasy?
Sunlight is a big migraine trigger for me so sometimes I have to wear sunglasses. I try not to as I do ask for eye contact, not constant but to keep her focus on me. A glare has also been known to stop her breaking her sit stay.
 

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I wear sunglasses if I’m training in bright sunlight but I try not to. I wouldn’t wear them when training a puppy but the older lot probably aren’t bothered. In fact I have always had to look aside when T brings a retrieve as I tried so hard to get a field trial type handover and intimidated her as a result.
And Morwenna it’s definitely a plus being able to eagle eye the specific offender if there’s a crime about to be commited. 😄.
 
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