Dogs and gabapentin (it’s a long one again!)

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So Ace greyhound is still lame and has been since mid-August; he has been seen by 3 different vets at my usual practice, who have suggested that the lameness could be in the shoulder, the wrist and the long bone (what I’d call the cannon bone) ?

He has had full X-rays of the affected leg from shoulder to paw, he has had laser treatment on his ‘wrist’ joint which they thought at one stage was the affected area, he has been on Metacam and has been put onto YuMove Plus... nothing has worked. I’ve stopped giving him Metacam because he was just as lame on it as he is off it.

There is no pain reaction, no heat, no swelling, no wound,no corns (greyhounds are prone to corns!) - my existing vets have simply suggested more rest, possible re-X-rays or an MRI scan.

So yesterday I decided I’d had enough. I asked the vets to refer him to my canine physio for treatment, and on a whim I took him to see a vet who I used to use all the time. Unfortunately this vet changed roles a couple of years ago and moved to large animal practice (long story) but he now does part-time work for a local small animal practice so I booked Ace in specifically to see him.

OMG what a revelation - why have I ever bothered going to see anyone else!!!! He started the examination and manipulated a few joints, and almost immediately got a pain reaction in the shoulder area. Although obviously it wasn’t nice, at the same time it was amazing to hear Ace yelp quietly!

So in one consultation my super vet has identified the source of lameness, put Ace on medication which might acrually help him, and we have agreed a course of future action. Ace will see the physio next Wednesday and depending on her report will receive further physio treatment or he may have one further X-ray to rule out whether there is a bone chip floating in the shoulder area.

I am absolutely delighted, at last some progress for my big lad ???

My one query is about gabapentin - I hate using that sort of drug for a dog ever since having a dog handed to me by a “rescue sanctuary” which had acute bone cancer and was doped up to the eyeballs on tramadol. I was supposed to ensure that the dog enjoyed his last days, after he had been stuck in rescue kennels for about 3 weeks in excruciating pain - I took him straight to my vets, and ironically enough it was my super vet who PTS for me. The vet still remembered that many years later when I reminded him last night.

How long does gabapentin take to kick in for dogs? Google says it takes a while for humans, but I forgot to ask the vet and I can’t find it online - does anyone know please?

Gratuitous picture of Ace taking his relaxation seriously ?
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My 1 and only experience of it in dogs was not good, Ash had what the vet presumed was a prolapsed disc so prescribed rest, gaba and metacam. Within an hour he was so wobbly he couldn't stand up properly and once up couldn't co ordinate himself to walk properly. I thought his back was so bad I needed to pts straight away, then someone suggested it might be a reaction to the gabae and a few days off it he was fine, the initial reaction was very quick though. Congrats on getting a result from supervet, noodle had a similar experience on Tuesday with the physio we use for the horse who found an issue in her back that 3 vets and a vet physio had missed!
 

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Oh that’s good news for Noodle, well done that physio!

I have to admit I had all sorts of reservations about using the gabapentin, but Ace has had one tablet last night, one this morning and one at lunchtime and he actually seems to be less lame to me. I might of course be imagining that!
 

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It seems like an odd one that doesn't work for some but is amazing for others, I'm always in the "give anything a go" camp. I've been prescribed it for my back and it didn't do a thing but brother in law finds it works miracles although he can only take half a dose as it's so strong for him!!
 

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My old boy (13yr old Great Dane cross Doberman) is on 100mg of gabapentin three times a day, as well as Leventa and loxicom in the mornings. The difference is ENORMOUS.

He’s a big dog, and has some old injuries. He’s so happy, still comes out on little walks, still plays. And is a like a different dog since he started on the gabapentin. He has an old injury that has caused nerve damage, and was struggling with stiffness and suspected nerve pain. The gabapentin has taken that away and he’s such a happy old boy.

he doesn’t have long left, in fact I’m ready for him to tell me he’s done any moment, but as long as he’s still happy and comfortable he’ll stick with me and remain on his expensive cocktail of drugs.
 

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Sorry, I have nothing to add about gabapentin, but wanted to say a small woohoo, for that you've finally found someone who could find Ace's problem. {{{{{{Vibes}}}}}} to Ace, hope his road to recovery goes smoothly from here on.

All hail Levrier's wonderful super veterinarian!

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I’ve never had any of the dogs on gabapentin but personally for me, it was a turning point when my GP finally prescribed it for my shingles. I actually slept for the first time in weeks, loved it!!

Some people, on the other hand, react badly to it and can’t take it. It is commonly prescribed for nerve pain and is one of the stronger painkillers.

Doctor said to me they would kick in immediately, they don’t have an accumulative effect, so you can only assume it would be the same for dogs.

Give it a go. You will soon be able to tell if he can’t tolerate it. Rufus had tramadol once for his back and he was as high as a kite, poor chap. No pain because he was stoned :)
 

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Sorry I shouldn’t have smiled about Rufus Deb, but it did present an interesting mental image - poor boy, I hope he was happily stoned!

We are on day 3 now and I haven’t seen any negative side effects so fingers crossed all is well with Ace - I have to report back to the vet tomorrow with an update, and I’ll be saying that Ace is still lame (!!!) but definitely seems brighter, happier and more playful since the medication has been started ?

I LOVE your smilies as always FL, that’s exactly how I feel about my super vet ???
 

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What a relief to get somewhere at last :). I had gabapentin for my old girl when she had a radial nerve paralysis and she was very spaced out on it. This was before we knew what was wrong and as she was not actually in pain it made no difference (vet I was using at the time mis diagnosed her). My sons dog had it for sciatic pain and it did no good for her. Friends dog with arthritic pain unable to tolerate metacam etc was great on it.
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Lily my 12 year old staffie is on Gabapentin, 100, 2x daily. She has been on inflacam for a while but I felt needed some more help. She has totally knackered cruciates but otherwise is a happy active dog. The Gab kicked in 24 hrs or so (apparently all dogs are different) and withing 36 hrs with inflcam as well was hooning around seeming a yyear or so younger. She had previously been dropping weight and looking very tired, Now she's gained weight (side effect) and we've reduced her food. She's still very wonky and sometimes refuses a walk (when it's raining) but is generally so muct happier.
 

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Thank you Thistle, that’s what I was looking/hoping for - it isn’t my imagination that Ace is more playful, relaxed and happy after 24/36 hours on the new drug ?

He sees the physio on Tuesday who might well say zero exercise to promote good healing, but it is so nice to see him happier and more relaxed since the gabapentin has taken effect ?
 

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Gaba can take up to 2w to have full effect. The sedation kicks in straight away, and generally wears off in a couple of weeks.
 
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