DOGS OF 2009 POST No2 (those rehomed)

[CAYLA]

MICKY whippet

MOLLY poodle

BANDIT x breed

Tyson x breed

SOPHIE broken whippey x grey

RUBY the broken puppy greyhound who went RINKYDINK from HHO she may have been a 2008 rehome

TOFFEE cavalier

MOLLY boxer

PUMPKIN shar-pei puppy may have been a laye 2008/2009

MITZI pregnany bitch tied to a gate/had gave birth the same night in my house

RUFUS the only surviving puppy, needs must(we don't keep full litters unfortunately)

sad but realistic.

HARVEY S.b.t kept by my sister

A more grown up RUFUS, kept my me, cos he would not leave....the upside, he is the best behaved dog u will ever meet

BLUE kept by me

RED greyhound x racer

BEN cocker spangle

CHARLIE beagle

XENA x rotti

believe it or not

KAIZER rotti

BEN labrador

NELSON J.r.t x

SOPHIE J.r.t

GEM broken lurcher puppy

SHADOW husky

SCOTT J.r.t

HONEY labrador

HARRY saluki x

PUGSLEY shih-tzu looks like E.T

EBONY greyhound x racer

MERLIN kept by my mam

MILLY chocolate lab puppy

JASMINE colli x

MOLLY terrier x

BABY lurchers

DILLON great Dane

FORREST terrier x

STELLA colli x

MEGGAN border colli

BOBBY colli x

HEIDI colli x labrador

JACK G.s.d

MIDDY terrier x

SAMMY colli

SALLY springer spangle

LEWIS labrador

JASPER 3 legged puppy lurcher

ROGAN mastiff

SALLY saluki

WOODY husky

BRAMBLE J.r.t x who went to France

BLACKY greyhound x racer

EDDIE colli x also went to France

DAZ white G.s.d

MILLY boxer

SPOT J.r.t x

MINKY yorki x

TIA puppy S.b.t

RIGHT IM GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A THIRD POST

 

[CorvusCorax]

**applauds**

 

[MurphysMinder]

Re Mitzi dumped in whelp, sad as it is I so agree with the fact that you only kept 1 pup. It really bugs me when rescues post pictures of litters of 9 and 10 that have been born to strays, far more sensible, though very sad, to just keep 1 for the bitch.
And the 3 legged dog seems to have grown a 4th leg!

 

[SusieT]

so :S you had the rest of the pups PTS?

 

[FestiveSpirit]

OMG a cavalier

Well I am not surprised really since you get so many puppy farmers and ignorant idiots breeding them, but they are such easy little dogs I cannot imagine them going into rescue

I LOVE Red, good job you didnt post pics of him when he was in or I would have had him like a shot, I adore greyhounds of that colour

And Blue.... hmmph

But some lovely lovely dogs - I like the Boxer - so glad they are all happy now

 

[Zoobie]

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**applauds**

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ditto xx

 

[CorvusCorax]

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so :S you had the rest of the pups PTS?

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It's not nice but it is better than the pound man/vet having to do it when they are adults, conscious, and have had either a life of misery and neglect or have been wrenched from a home life once they were no longer fun, interesting or manageable.

If people were more responsible then rescues wouldn't have to go to these lengths. The fault lies with whoever let that little bitch stray, unneutered, or dumped her, not the rescue people who are at the coal face, who see every day what human beings allow to happen to dogs.

It's about the bigger picture. Each and every rescue I am in contact with is full to bursting and on their knees - better to help the ones that are already here than the ones who can be given sleep before they get a chance to know cruelty, ignorance or homelessness.

No one can hurt, ignore, neglect or dispose of those puppies now.

 

[Slinkyunicorn]

It just amazes me the number of dogs you help - and there are still more out there.

 

[CAYLA]

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so :S you had the rest of the pups PTS?

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Yep....I will pull no punches here.....and will not lie...WE DO NOT no matter what the breed allow a whole litter to enter more than 1 second of this world, they are pts humanly the second they come out if like this situation we cannot give the bitch a caesarean, of which we will give right up till day of whelp if the bitch is handed in soon enough.........however this was late at night when she was handed in, she would have been booked in the next day and she whelped through the night the pups where pts immediately, bar one, for her milk and he well being, we would not leave her with nothing she was in a very poor state weight and condition wise.

OUR PRIORITY is the bitch, as u can see there are many of adult dogs coming through our rescue(one rescue) that are aware and have lived a life be it a sh!t one in most cases, to me if the mothers life was in danger or she was a pts why bring her off spring into the world

that bitch nearly died and would have in those temperatures tied to that gate.

As MM states I also do not agree with rescues that allow bitches to whelp, time , priority and money should be spend on living adult dogs.
Also as we have spent over £2000 at court reclaiming dogs that owners refused to neuter after adopting them as puppies

after signing legal documentation..........therefor keeping a puppy for 6 months till we can neuter, not only robs them of a puppy hood but costs and makes no sense at all and we will never rehome another UN neutered puppy/dog again aslong as we are a rescue, u live you learn......the only reason we rehomed the puppy staff is because we knew the owner and we also made them pay £300 which was given back to them when she was neutered, very sad and ridiculous, but had to be done.

Our aim is to reduce not multiply.

Hope you understand if not then all I can say it's this is the cruel hard facts of life.

 

[SusieT]

As I'm sure many people who take others lives say-I would rather take the chance than give up on them-better imo to put the older dogs down if necc. as they have far less chance of being rehomed, if it is a case of just not having the space.
I have to say I had not expected that, with so many broken etc. dogs there, I would have thought pups deserve just as much of a chance as these (and less expensively in some cases..)
The logic doesn't seem to be there to me, unless you apply your same logic to all the dogs, why not just pts the whole lot to save from future neglect? Why do those pups that have been born (I have no problem with a spay before birth) and are able to survive, deserve less of a life than a 5/6yr old that has a broken leg for example, or 6 of those older dogs?

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Understandably you seem to haven gotten a little confused, will the third post include DILLON great Dane and not BABY lurchers x 2, MIDDY terrier x and not JACK G.s.d x 2 and JASPER 3 legged puppy lurcher and not LEWIS labrador x 2?


Other than that, Bravo!

 

[FestiveSpirit]

*****sits on hands*****

Somebody stop me, now

 

[CorvusCorax]

That's what happens in dog pounds, every day, Caribb. No home, no room, after a week (maybe more, depending on council areas) they are PTS.

Here in NI we put more dogs down than any other place in the UK.

 

[SusieT]

Yes-I am fully aware of that. It may seem shocking to you but I actually would support pts a dog that has not been adopted after a certain time, as a life in kennels is no life at all. But not pups that are born, before they get a chance at life. that to me is twisted logic. Not withstanding the neutering arguement-which is all but solved by the deposit scheme.

ps-Gazehound-if you have something to say, instead of stupid comments maybe come out and say it?

 

[MurphysMinder]

I think Cayla has explained the reasoning very well. Yes a pup may have a better chance of being homed, but the adult dogs are already here and in rescue

To pts a new born pup takes a second, the pup knows nothing about it, and sadly any one offering to home a dog will still have plenty to choose from. You may be shocked to hear that I also don't think dogs who are very elderly or have serious temperament problems should be rehomed but should again be humanely pts.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Not shocking at all and I agree about the older dogs too, we chatted about this the other day on another rescue thread in fact (a 10yo mastiff with aggression issues in kennels for two years, I think?).

It may not be palatable but it is a consequence of the irresponsibility of others and maybe if more people knew it was happening, they might give a bit more thought to how they treat their animals.

Tis an interesting one this! But I don't think we can take away from the good work done by this rescue and others all over the UK, especially with what is to come in the next few months

 

[dingle12]

Well done for all your work

when you get chance can yo put up a post of dogs that still need homes xxx

 

[CAYLA]

You have your opinion and thats fine..........we rehome hundreds of dogs a year our rescue bill food alone is £600 per month that excludes all medical bills.

I for one do not agree a 4 year old should be removed from this world that is happy and healthy over a puppy that knows nothing

We don't do this for a hobby is a heartbreaking sole destroying organisation to be in, I will not pts dogs that have been discarded for pathetic reasons for them to be relaced by cute puppies for the cycle to repeat it's self.
Should we have put the mother to sleep then cos she needed extensive after care and treatment, and saved the pups and should I have sat up and bottle fed them on the hour every hour and maybe put all my own dogs to sleep as I certainly would be to tired to walk or give them nay attention to allow puppies to enter the word over their 1 second of poss not even breathing as alot of puppies need assisted attention to breath any how? this is a debate I will argue till I die.

It's hard to do, but not as hard as staring a 6 month old healthy puppy in the face as u end it's life as it wags it's tail because the owner refused to sign it over....this breaks my heart and kills me inside

try putting yourself at the end of the table and sliding it into a bag).......it's far harder than pts'ing a new born that has not even taken a breath.

We will not pts if we are not there and it can not be done immediately, u see the puppy lurchers.........we don't remove all puppies from this world.
We are not to blame for indiscriminate breeding , we did not put the bitch into pup, we will however see they do not end up in the same predicament the mother did.

 

[FestiveSpirit]

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ps-Gazehound-if you have something to say, instead of stupid comments maybe come out and say it?

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Caribb, if you can manage to reply to me in a civil manner then I might just do that

 

[Zoobie]

I think you do an amazing job which is heartbreaking but rewarding,thank goodness there are people out there like you.
Slightly off topic when I got my GSD I really wanted to breed from her I had her hip scored and it was fine. I then sat down and had a good think as to my motivation to breed, it wasn't to show or to work her offspring it was just purely because I wanted to have a litter from her, I never bred from her as for me personally I thought it was such a selfish act just to please my needs.

 

[CAYLA]

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Yes-I am fully aware of that. It may seem shocking to you but I actually would support pts a dog that has not been adopted after a certain time, as a life in kennels is no life at all. But not pups that are born, before they get a chance at life. that to me is twisted logic. Not withstanding the neutering arguement-which is all but solved by the deposit scheme.

ps-Gazehound-if you have something to say, instead of stupid comments maybe come out and say it?

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I would rather some of the dogs we deal with have never breathed than go through what they do......if a dog is handed in and I will post some pics and it's fighting it's last, I/my mam will do everything in our power to help it live provided the vet agrees it's viable.

WRONG re the deposit............we knew the people with the s.b.t, how much deposit can we charge, I have a £1000 japanese akita, long coat pretty rare here dont see many, if I never kept her and she was rehomed out a pre adoption deposit of £500 is nothing comapred to what the people can make breeding from her, at £1000 a pup and a litter of 8 pups............why be bothered about your deposit

You jsut made £8000 from a rescue dog

 

[CorvusCorax]

Well done Zoobie, wish more people were like you (and well done for getting her scored before you made any sort of decision, see above comment!)

I thought about it with Bella when we first got her as she is quite a nice type (B has too many issues!!! And as such has been neutered) but at the end of the day they are related and there is nothing to say that his problems could not be transferred through her, and her character is not what I would like as a breeding bitch - it would have been for me, not for the breed as a whole.

 

[Spudlet]

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Well done Cayla, those dogs were lucky the day they found you.

RE the PTS thing - I do wonder if we might resort to doing the same if horses had litters rather than just the one foal (or twins rarely, but mostly just the one). It is a huge stretch on resources, especially for smaller rescues. For the bigger charities it may be easier as they have greater resources but it must still stretch them too.

I know someone who was involved in a scheme in Africa, they neutered local dogs, but any pups were PTS. It upset her dreadfully but she knew it was the right thing to do

 

[CAYLA]

Thankyou to those who understand and putting your view forward, and to Zoobie a very noble choice, u htought and u made your decision which I admire, u did not wait for a season and let her getjumped by the first dog that came along then thought about it later.

 

[Patches]

Well done on rehoming all of the dogs from this and the other thread. Good work!

It susprises me just how many pure bred dogs have come through your doors in 2009. I always imagined, that for the most part, people who had paid a significant sum for their animals would be more likely to keep hold of them. In my naivety I thought that most rescues would be crossbreeds that those of a lower income might be more inclined to buy, simply because they are cheap and "having a pup seemed a good idea at the time".

Obviously I realise pure breeds do go into rescue, but you have far more pedigrees than cross breeds in these two posts.

I wonder why that is? Are there more temperament issues with pedigrees than cross breeds?

 

[Patches]

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so :S you had the rest of the pups PTS?

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I know for alot of people hearing that the others were PTS is shocking, but I do fully understand why it's done (hey, I am a farmer's wife after all) as hard as it must be for the shelters to have to do that.

 

[CAYLA]

Thankyou HP.........believe it or not we have tried to rhome some of our litters via the NCDL(dogs trust) a huge well funded charity, and at times they have said, no room or finance at capacity.......gives u an idea of the actual issue here.

Im not posting to be a hero.....this year has been a bad one with rescue, and at times as I have even mentioned to people on this forum, I feel like giving up, it's killing me, both health wise and the fact it's gets u so down at times, it's like poking a whole in he moon with your finger for all the difference we make

If anyone thinks they can do this and stay sane give me your contact details and u can share the not so cuteness of the world of rescue.

 

[CAYLA]

I will continue posting as have not yet finished and answer some questions

 

[Puppy]

How super to look at all those sweet little faces and think that they all now have love and families thanks to you

Fab work Cayla, keep it up

xx

 

[Spudlet]

You don't have to tell me. We get emails come round every time a horse is to be PTS so we can avoid the relevant part of the yard - it is very sad to see how frequent they are especially heading into winter. I can't imagine how hard it must be for the people on the yard who know the horses so well

On the other hand it's amazing to see horses that were at deaths door finding new homes - even if some people do slag us off, we do a damn good job IMO. Most of the people who winge about rescues etc wouldn't last five minutes in the job.

Cayla, look at all these dogs on these two threads - without you the liklihood is they would all be dead now. So hold your head up chick