Don't know if this has been posted yet but statement from Linda Parelli.

I did watch it the other day and just thought "hmmm".
"Taken out of context" doesn't really cover her back, IMO.
I won't say I've lost faith in the parelli idea because I never founded any in them to begin with, but it does reassure me that my conventional ways of dealing with my horses, however incorrect in parelli view, seem to me an awful lot better than the practices in the original video posted of Linda parelli and that horse.
 
A link to the parelli site for the written statement. Justefing what she did.
http://www.parellinaturalhorsetraining.com/A-statement-from-Linda-Parelli
I especaly like the bie where it says humans where not his preffered choice of company. Oh and hitting him round the head will make him like humans. I think not. This statement hasn't done them any favours in my book they just made it 100x worse when they give the explanation about the wind in the trees. Jesus christ do they think we are all stupid!!!!!!!!!!
 
Toffee Im the same. IH is a diffrent kettle of fish.. none of the money scamming or owt. I know they do Demo's and courses and stuff.. but its something you can get into with out spending a fortune.

It works on the natural principles of horses behaviour and works.

Lou x
 
Whats just bugged me is I have watched the vid again hes chewing and licking which is what is preached as the horse is accepting so why is she continuing hitting him and pulling him about like that?????
 
I had difficulty in hearing the video first time round, so concentrated on watching her facial expression (something I do all day at work, watching for people saying one thing and meaning another) She looks like one very cross lady, somewhat at odds with voice of sweet calm reason you get when you listen. Faces are more reliable than voices IMO. The reaction has made her very cross. I am glad she is cross because I was when watching the original video of her hitting the horse round the head with the rope/chain combo, and she has the brass neck to call this a game!
 
Well done Linda. I'm converted. I now understand why you were beating that horse around the head... all i needed was for you to put it in context...

The context being: a) the horse is half blind! no wonder it wants to make sure it knows what is going on around it and might not pick up signals... BUT...

b) there are still not clear consistent signals to be picked up on! Nothing softer is offered when he does start to listen, the beating and confusion just continues

c) you don't have a silver tongue. That actually made no difference what so ever.

and d) the owner is still clearly an imbacile! Especially after seeing that letter.

Thanks for posting this LW, i'm glad i saw that this is so unjustifiable, any attempt to do so just makes her seem like an even bigger fool.
 
I don't think you can put parelli in the bracket of intelligent horsemanship. I find the IH ideas quite different, and rather more broad minded than the parelli school of thought, which doesn't seem to allow for any other techniques to be used, and also seems to revolve around the marketing aspect.
It must be sad for people who have invested time, faith and no doubt money into the Parelli industry, to see such things as are demonstrated in the first clip, and hopefully, despite Linda explaining that the clip was "out of context" other people who use parelli realise that this is no way to deal with any kind of horse, no matter what is or isn't wrong with it.
I may not be a parelli expert, but I know horses, and of all the horses I have been lucky enough to own, to ride and to meet, I cannot think any one of them would react well to the "techniques" Linda used in that original video. In fact if I know my coloured he would have done a swift 'about turn' and double barrelled her.
 
Ther nothing alike Rosie. I agree. Thats why we have praise IH. It is sensible and uses the common body signals we have used for years.

I could really swing for Linda.. she is so full of her self importance. I'm sure she thinks the horse world would fall apart without her in it!

Lou x
 
I just love this bit from one of the posters - how many videos would she like me to send her? The behaviour she describes is the baseline that I expect from my horses. Oh and I don't go to catch mine, they come when they are called.

"Why don't all of you with such negative views and thoughts, film your own relationship with your horses and post them here? You get your chance to show that your horses let you touch them all over without fear or resistance, not step on your feet or walk into you when you are leading them, that they can trailer load without ropes, whips and force, can stand still when mounted without someone holding them, can be ridden without sharp bits, martingales or other straps and who are confident in you as their owner/s, doesn't run out of their stables as soon as you open the door, comes to you when you go out to catch them.

Looking forward to seeing them."
 
I love the way they call it "Intelligent" horsemanship!!! - cracks me up, the only thing intelligent about it is the Parellis/Roberts/Marks are laughing all the way to the bank!!!
She deffinitly looks like one cheesed off lady that has found out her game is up, she's going to have to con people really hard to fob this one off!!!
 
cptrayes that is funny - I just read that bit from the poster you've quoted and all i am thinking is "yep, can do that, yep, can do that, nope they don't run out of their stables...."

Not quite sure what they are getting at, as others said that's normal behaviour of a horse brought on properly and with firm but kind, understanding treatment. I have never over the years of owning horses had to beat one into submission!

I have always been suspicious of parelli and some of the practices they preach. IH is different it is what it says on the tin - using your 'intelligence' and interact with the horse using behaviours natural to them that they can understand. I think we all use IH techniques daily without even thinkng about it to be honest.
 
cptrayes said:
I just love this bit from one of the posters - how many videos would she like me to send her? The behaviour she describes is the baseline that I expect from my horses. Oh and I don't go to catch mine, they come when they are called.

"Why don't all of you with such negative views and thoughts, film your own relationship with your horses and post them here? You get your chance to show that your horses let you touch them all over without fear or resistance, not step on your feet or walk into you when you are leading them, that they can trailer load without ropes, whips and force, can stand still when mounted without someone holding them, can be ridden without sharp bits, martingales or other straps and who are confident in you as their owner/s, doesn't run out of their stables as soon as you open the door, comes to you when you go out to catch them.

Looking forward to seeing them."
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Read that....and like many of you I sat there going...yes, yes, yes, yes...does that...yes.....

And all without spending a grand on DVDs', stick, s ropes and battering my horses around the head.

Well done us.:D

PS wanna buy my dvd?
 
My ears are all full of gunk so I was watching her body language too, all I saw was a very very angry, tense old woman who was being forced by her mahooosive PR department.
 
Dam I can't listen to the sound on my works PC (at the moment, but will do at lunchtime)

Very interesting reading the feed back on their website though.
 
poppymoo said:
Read that....and like many of you I sat there going...yes, yes, yes, yes...does that...yes.....

And all without spending a grand on DVDs', stick, s ropes and battering my horses around the head.

Well done us.:D

PS wanna buy my dvd?
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Agree... my horse does all of the above, lol!
Perhaps we should do an HHO DVD and call it 'Parelli without the beating!' Lol!

The whole thing is just laughable!
 
Oh dear... that is one angry woman... I am amazed she can speak whilst biting her tongue. Don't think she liked being found out for being so cruel to a one eyed horse..and to be honest, if she treated my own girlie like that I would have treated LP with the same lead rope treatment...

My horse is not bargy, leads well, is a pleasure to be around, respects my space and even COMES TO ME (and others) when being bought in without any need of chasing... A lot of horsemanship is really common sense and I think things fail when common sense is forgotten/ignored. It's knowing our own limits as well as those of our horses and taking advice and help from folks we know and who we have seen results with. I am not a tree hugger, I just believe Parelli is just a huge marketing machine imho, and I for one won't be spending my hard earned cash on any of it....
 
Alexart said:
I love the way they call it "Intelligent" horsemanship!!! - cracks me up, the only thing intelligent about it is the Parellis/Roberts/Marks are laughing all the way to the bank!!!
She definitely looks like one cheesed off lady that has found out her game is up, she's going to have to con people really hard to fob this one off!!!
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I thought Parelli calls their technique Natural Horsemanship and Roberts, Marks and others calls their techniques Intelligent Horsemanship?


Personally, I hope that maybe some followers begin to see Parelli for what it is and that maybe it will stop some from becoming followers in the future but, without having read the comments from their supporters yet, I don't doubt that their will be many who continue to only hear and see what they want to hear and see and gives her lots of "Of course it was justifiable, it is taken out of its context and ordinary people simply can't fully understand and comprehend this technique, that is why you need to learn it step by step blah blah" support.




I'm not against using whips, I don't believe you can fix every horse with behavioural problems by talking to them and I do believe that most people have at some point in their life, reacted by saying or doing something that they afterwards have regretted.
But the video isn't supposed to show Linda Parelli simply reacting in an everyday situation with a certain horse, it is supposed to be a part of a tutorial video for how to train a horse with a certain behavioural problem and all I learn, is how to not show any respect over the fact that a horse only has one eye.
It makes absolutely no sense to me, that Natural Horsemanship should include beating them into submission, possibly making that Natural Horse into a robot waiting for instructions.





Besides, when she slaps her hand like that on that horses head, what does she think she is doing? Rewarding a horse or beating a nail into a board?
After all, if typed like that on my computer, would I not look like
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Got to say being a relatively new horse owner (just coming up to my first anniversary with my ponio on 3rd April) I was horrified to see this sort of thing being done to a one eyed horse.

When I got my little girl she was quite head shy, would not pick her feet up for you, ran out at every jump and generally had never had much of a relationship with people.

Now you can do pretty much anything with her, touch her anywhere, she is not only not head shy anymore but as soon as I say "open" she will open her mouth for the bit (which really amused a young girl who tacked her up for me the other day) and seems to be coming on in leaps and bounds.

I achieved all this by asking knowledgable horse owners, using my commen sense, listening to my horse, being patient and giving her lots of love and affection along with consistant boundaries as to what I expected from her.

Now if a novice like me can do this what is LP's excuse?
 
cptrayes said:
I just love this bit from one of the posters - how many videos would she like me to send her? The behaviour she describes is the baseline that I expect from my horses. Oh and I don't go to catch mine, they come when they are called.

"Why don't all of you with such negative views and thoughts, film your own relationship with your horses and post them here? You get your chance to show that your horses let you touch them all over without fear or resistance, not step on your feet or walk into you when you are leading them, that they can trailer load without ropes, whips and force, can stand still when mounted without someone holding them, can be ridden without sharp bits, martingales or other straps and who are confident in you as their owner/s, doesn't run out of their stables as soon as you open the door, comes to you when you go out to catch them.

Looking forward to seeing them."
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HA HA gotta laugh at this one. I'll send her a video of Herbie. When i first got him He was terrified of people and will kick and bite you when you groom him, you could not get near him with the hose pipe and oh my god if you run the clippers anywhere near him he freaks out. He was bargy and in your space the whole time and would try to walk through you, he does not load without a big fight, He did not stand still when you tried to mount him even with someone holding him, He has to be ridden in a gag and grass reins as he naps very badly (even in company) he rears, bucks, leaps and spins, He barged out of his stable and if he saw you with a headcoller in his hand he would run in the opposite direction.
Where did i get Herbie from? A PARELLI HOME :mad: :mad: :mad: He was sold on as the owner found him to difficult/dangourous to handle. Now i highly dought he had all these problems when his last owner bought him as she paid well over £1000 for him but she sold him to me for £550 inclu all tack and rugs!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek:
I am working on his issues slowly and he is getting better and becoming a nicer pony. Oh and i am not playing the beating him over the head game. I am building his trust and confidance and creating a bond with him using my own methods that are firm but fare.
I wonder what the parelli camp would make of my boy who nearly ended up with the meat man due to their wonderful method. :confused: :confused:
 
"It is unfortunate that many horse lovers watch a 5 minute video without being able to see the rest of the 6 DVD's which show more than 12 hours of information. Conclusions are drawn without seeing or knowing the whole story."

That bit on the feedback made me laugh, - another marketing ploy? lol maybe it's because I'm not prepared to spend hundreds of pounds on 6 dvds that most likely won't teach me anything new? - unless of course that is what it's teaching me in which case I don't think I want them anyway!

My horse has been bolshy, rude, distracted etc etc, but nothing even resembling that has taught him well - and yes, my horse also comes to call. I don't remember the last time I had to actually catch him. I think if someone watches that and thinks 'yes, that is exactly what I need to do' - then they probably shouldn't be around horses. I have never bought a single item of theirs, and never plan on. They're after money - and they won't be getting mine ;)
 
I saw this on the fugly blog, not impressed. TBH she looks scared. Its a big horse and (possibly? didn't see much evidence of it) a bit in your face. my major issue isn't so much the force or the fact that the horse has one eye its the stupidity of it. There is no release. You can see the horse going 'lunging right? we're lung..ow..ok ill come over there.. ow....ok I'll stop....ow...ok...lunging?' she doesn't let up or give the poor thing any clues so he has no idea what is expected of him.

Kudos to the horse though, if thats a highly dangerous barger then most horses I have ever dealt with must be total monsters because I don't know many who could get that treatment without going through you, buggering off, rearing or double barreling the source of the frustration.
 
In fairness to Linda, IF Barney was anything like my Dorey, then I would understand her a bit better.

Dorey is too big a horse to let barge. And the only way to get through to her that barging is wrong is to be aggressive.

I now have a horse who respects my personal space (and, interestingly, is NOT head shy!)

However.

Barney is a one eyed hunter, bought by a hippy know-it-all to 'save' him from death (which, to most hunters, is the preferred option!) - turned away for two years, and then bought back into work through ignorance and fear on the part of his owner.
TBH, I'd have cut my losses and sent him back to hounds than give him to Linda Parelli to "sort out!".
It's interesting how the next day he improved, but no one is willing to mention the weather the next day...
And I'm sure after a week of being ridden, even the most flighty hunter would calm down after two years on pasture! He must have been exhausted!

Sorry. There is a time and a place for natural horsemanship, and this was not it. The only animal that needs hitting around the head repeatidly until some intelligence sinks in is Mr Paul H. who bought a half blind hunter because he felt sorry for it.
 
Ho hum so as per normal LPs answer to everything is to direct us all to her marketing site.

Sorry Linda but none of us are falling for it.

Youve been caught out beating a horse.
 
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