'Doodles are dogs for cat people'

Didn't people start crossing with poodles to pass on the non allergy thing (can't think of the word ??)
My neighbour had and bred standard apricot coloured poodles for a while, they were big but pretty well behaved
 
I've got one. He's a rescue so I only paid a couple of hundred for him rather than a couple of grand. He's nice enough but comes with a whole host of issues, some of which I think are probably down to his previous owners clearly teaching him nothing and letting him get his own way all the time, and some of which are probably because of his personality. We're probably going to have to get some professional help with some of his problems, if my other half will stop thinking he's the Dog Whisperer and can sort it all without help before then going and letting him get away with all sorts himself!

There are loads of them in our village and they all look like teddies and none of them seem to be able to walk on the lead properly. Mine can't either and quite happily chokes himself. Not sure if it's because they're all so cute that they get away with so much or what.

I have to say cute dogs aren't really my cup of tea and this one wouldn't have been my first choice but my partner was keen. I'd rather have a proper dog looking dog!
 
Poodle crosses are the dog of choice in my town at the moment, especially in the wealthy neighborhoods. I only know one that isn't a basket case of neurotic behavior and most of the neurotic dogs are owned by people who I know are good dog owners from the previous dogs they have had. I think it's a shame that the crosses have overtaken the purebred poodles in popularity because the only purebred poodles I've met have been darlings.
 
Books'n'dogs said:
Poodle crosses are the dog of choice in my town at the moment, especially in the wealthy neighborhoods. I only know one that isn't a basket case of neurotic behavior and most of the neurotic dogs are owned by people who I know are good dog owners from the previous dogs they have had. I think it's a shame that the crosses have overtaken the purebred poodles in popularity because the only purebred poodles I've met have been darlings.
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Do you have any thoughts as to why this is the case? We're no experts but I think we're reasonably sensible and try our best but I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to manage this one's issues and find myself very frustrated at times, which is why I want to get a professional in.

I've since heard from elsewhere that a lot of them aren't suitable family pets at all and yet they seem to appeal to families with small kids from what I can see.
 
Neurosis/thin nerve/the inability to deal with stress is mostly genetic and a side effect of breeding for looks and colour rather than temperament in both pure and cross bred dogs.
Couple that with modern training, which means that the average pet owner is not inclined to want to teach a young dog to deal with low-level stress and get out the other side, because they deem it 'cruel'/'negative' and then the dog absolutely folds when faced with stress from external stimuli/a negative experience.
 
HelenBack said:
Do you have any thoughts as to why this is the case? We're no experts but I think we're reasonably sensible and try our best but I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to manage this one's issues and find myself very frustrated at times, which is why I want to get a professional in.

I've since heard from elsewhere that a lot of them aren't suitable family pets at all and yet they seem to appeal to families with small kids from what I can see.
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The only reason I can think of is the parent dogs were not genetically/temperamentally sound. Most of the people breeding poodle crosses are not people I'd give money to, it always baffles me when people who have more money than I could ever dream of having choose to support those type of dog breeders!
 
Doodles vary in temperaments depending upon which breeds are in the cross. Most Labradoodles look to be calmer than Cockapoos, although you do get exceptions.

Whatever dog breed/cross is popular, you get unscrupulous breeders throwing two dogs together without caring about health or temperament.
 
Our doggy friends include a variety of poodle crosses including a delightful little Yorkipoo, Cockerpoos, mini Labradoodle and the largest, a Goldendoodle, he is a big playful lad with a lovely nature and my dog enjoys off lead play with him.

The only problem I personally have with the smaller 'poos' is that they like to jump up and I'm not a fan of that whatever the breed, but that is owner failure as little fluffy will have been rewarded for the behaviour.

Working cockers x poodle are smart, energetic dogs which might have come as a surprise to an owner who wanted a laid back companion :)

We meet some rude, bullying and aggressive dogs - none of them are doodles or poos.
 
People don't do their due diligence when buying purebreds either and even go for some really odd/stupid crosses so it's not surprising it comes up with doodles, maybe more noticeable in some areas as they are so popular.

Our old neighbours got a 'mini labradoodle' puppy they wanted to be similar in size to their small terrier but it was bigger than their other dog within a few months. We've since moved but I am sure it was going to end up much more lab than mini poodle sized. I wondered if the size mattered so much, a cross breed puppy seems a riskier choice.

In an area where brachy breeds, xl bullies and other status type dogs are popular, quite frankly I wouldn't mind going back to the area with the cute but slightly annoying doodles! Although where we live is also very popular for rescue Greyhounds so that's a plus :D
 
malwhit said:
Doodles vary in temperaments depending upon which breeds are in the cross. Most Labradoodles look to be calmer than Cockapoos, although you do get exceptions.

Whatever dog breed/cross is popular, you get unscrupulous breeders throwing two dogs together without caring about health or temperament.
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Funnily enough my favorite poodle cross is the result of a mating between a labradoodle and a cockapoo, one of the nicest dogs I have ever met but I almost fainted when I learned how much his owners paid for him! It was more than twice the amount I paid for my purebred German Shepherd with titled and health tested parents!

I agree 100% with the posters saying purebreds aren't exempt from unscrupulous breeders or stupid owners, I'm just flabbergasted by the people who will pay the exorbitant prices and not do the research needed to avoid supporting the unscrupulous.
 
Well I have two doodles sitting at my feet presently. They’re not neurotic, have delightful temperaments, walk beautifully on a lead, don’t jump up, don’t yap, come back when you call them. Just all round delightful dogs.

As someone up thread said. A pain in the backside dog is usually a badly trained dog. It rarely has anything to do with the dog.

Some doodles can be sharper than others, depending on the cross. But anything crossed with a poodle is likely to be clever and highly trainable.
 
Just because a dog is not pure bred doesn’t mean they are not health tested. My doodle came from a health tested lab and a health tested poodle and I met both mum and dad when we went to view. Who were both lovely, friendly dogs. You can get poorly bred pure breeds too!
 
Amymay said:
As someone up thread said. A pain in the backside dog is usually a badly trained dog. It rarely has anything to do with the dog.
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There's also almost always a genetic element too.
But the people who aren't inclined to put in training or research their breed/type are also not the type to know/care/look into the dogs behind their dog and that doesn't help.
And the 'snobbery' from people like me, comes in when there is no way to look into the dogs behind your (anyone's) dog, because there is nothing written down, purchasers are relying on word of mouth and vendors who of course, will tell them that their dogs are all lovely.

The reason some of us have experience of neurotic doodles is because in the same area, it's highly likely that a lot of them are related.
They can't all be rubbish owners.
 
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Doodles/poos are dogs invariably for fashionistas.

Sadly, most don't have much/any dog owning experience, yet alone that for hunting breeds which of course the standard poo was bred for yonks ago. Like most dogs, in the right hands, blah blah blah......BUT....most are not bred with strong genetics, nor are most owners au fait with the training needs AND they seem to gravitate to the numerous modern, well marketed, dog 'training' groups, many of which are only/predominately on-line and seem to rely on shrinking the world of the dog and all that it is exposed to.
 
gunnergundog said:
Doodles/poos are dogs invariably for fashionistas.

Sadly, most don't have much/any dog owning experience, yet alone that for hunting breeds which of course the standard poo was bred for yonks ago. Like most dogs, in the right hands, blah blah blah......BUT....most are not bred with strong genetics, nor are most owners au fait with the training needs AND they seem to gravitate to the numerous modern, well marketed, dog 'training' groups, many of which are only/predominately on-line and seem to rely on shrinking the world of the dog and all that it is exposed to.
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Absolute nonsense. I have had dogs all my life, am very definitely not a ‘fashionista’, am perfectly capable of training a dog and I have no idea what ‘training groups’ you are on about. Daisy has been extremely well socialised, and her world is very broad as she is completely under control at all times off a lead so is given a lot of freedom.

Maybe some ‘poo’ owners are clueless but then again I once rehomed a year old lab who had been crated her whole life as the owners of that KC registered pure bred dog were clueless too.
 
skinnydipper said:
TBH I'm more concerned that people buy people brachycephalic screw tailed dogs with a high likelihood breathing problems and spinal issues that I am about a first time dog owner innocently buying a cross breed that they think will be a good family dog.
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And yet I’d have another Shitsu in a heartbeat (go figure).

Anyway, as CT says. Odd thread.
 
Ample Prosecco said:
Absolute nonsense. I have had dogs all my life, am very definitely not a ‘fashionista’, am perfectly capable of training a dog and I have no idea what ‘training groups’ you are on about. Daisy has been extremely well socialised, and her world is very broad as she is completely under control at all times off a lead so is given a lot of freedom.

Maybe some ‘poo’ owners are clueless but then again I once rehomed a year old lab who had been crated her whole life as the owners of that KC registered pure bred dog were clueless too.
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Why is odd? It's an article I saw and posted and it's started a debate.

Skinnydipper, for example, started a thread with an article the other day on a topic, I disagreed with it, others agreed and we all had a debate and nobody called the thread 'odd'.

There are loads of sweeping statements about various different breeds on a daily basis.
 
Ample Prosecco said:
Absolute nonsense. I have had dogs all my life, am very definitely not a ‘fashionista’, am perfectly capable of training a dog and I have no idea what ‘training groups’ you are on about. Daisy has been extremely well socialised, and her world is very broad as she is completely under control at all times off a lead so is given a lot of freedom.

Maybe some ‘poo’ owners are clueless but then again I once rehomed a year old lab who had been crated her whole life as the owners of that KC registered pure bred dog were clueless too.
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Keep your hat on! :)
Like it or not, Poodle crosses are a fashionable purchase - often for large sums of money and often end up with clueless people. Kindly note I used the word 'most' throughout my first post. So, if the cap fits, great, if not, then just be happy that you are the exception. :)
If you are not aware of the training groups I am referring to then be grateful....you really don't need to know about them. Sadly, I have to pick up some of the fall out from their training methods.
 
CorvusCorax said:
Why is odd? It's an article I saw and posted and it's started a debate.

Skinnydipper, for example, started a thread with an article the other day on a topic, I disagreed with it, others agreed and we all had a debate and nobody called the thread 'odd'.

There are loads of sweeping statements about various different breeds on a daily basis.
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I“m not talking about the article.
 
There are sensible people who buy doodles and there are doodle breeders who health test. But any search on Pets4Homes or Gumtree will bring up scores of poos and doodles, most of them 4 figures, with no mention of health testing, how the parents are selected, what the temperaments are like (other than those who say "people always say she's lovely so we bred her") and with no limit on the number of litters each bitch has. Some with "health tested parents" in the advert heading actually reveal that the bitch is just a random pet but the stud dog (often the poodle) has some basic bloodwork done.

It does happen with purebreds too, but it's not as prevalent outside of the people breeding for funny coloured or fluffy frenchies or American bullies (insofar as they are purebred). The problem is the market; greeders know people will pay £1k plus for a poo or doodle so they keep breeding them. And you have idiots who feel every bitch needs to have the experience of being a mum ?

https://www.gumtree.com/p/dogs/5-beautiful-f1b-cockapoo-puppies-dna-clear/1447766234
https://www.gumtree.com/p/dogs/beautiful-cavapoo-puppies/1448058856
https://www.gumtree.com/p/dogs/beautiful-toy-cockapoo-s-for-sale-/1447686392
https://www.gumtree.com/p/dogs/f1b-...odle-x-poodle-bigger-than-cockapoo/1441235603
https://www.gumtree.com/p/dogs/cavapoo-puppies-/1447946348

The other thing I object to is adding poodle to everything. I saw on Facebook some Canoodles, Cane Corso x Poodle. Also Maloodles (Malinois x Poodle) and Russian black terrier v poodle. Those mixes make no sense at all.
 
I succumbed this year to a cockerpoo :) Ive always liked the look of them but it does go against my being to pay over the odds for a x breed, even a designer x with a silly name! However, we wanted smaller than an ESS and not another terrier so they did tick all the boxes. H was my 60th birthday present from my son (by mutual agreement) and we absolutely adore him. He is like a mop on steroids, but very intelligent, very loving, gorgeous temperament and has all the best attributes of both his parents. He would actually be quite a smart little gundog if you chopped his tail off (it never stops wagging and would be a nightmare in rough cover) but as a pet he is fabulous. Fits in with my other 2, loves to play, loves to cuddle and is pretty much our perfect dog. I see him as a small gun dog rather than a fashion accessory and wouldnt hesitate to have another. I like his coat left natural and it does need regular attention, he goes to our groomer for the snippy bits and we check and comb through daily. All in all a little cracker!!
 
The farming couple who deliver my hay got a cockerpoo last year, they are both over 60 and proper down to earth farmers, not hobbyists. Dog seemed an incongruous choice but he's a charming animal and a real livewire.
 
I only know 2 who are both, admittedly quite nice dogs.

That said, I would never buy one. A rescue perhaps.

I very much doubt that there are any of these dogs in existence that were ethically bred, with health tested parents, proven in some way etc.

I actually really like poodles and have considered getting one in the future. I can't understand why you would want to ruin what is considered to be one of the smartest dogs and arguably one of the most beautiful, by crossing it with something else!
 
Jenko109 said:
I only know 2 who are both, admittedly quite nice dogs.

That said, I would never buy one. A rescue perhaps.

I very much doubt that there are any of these dogs in existence that were ethically bred, with health tested parents, proven in some way etc.

I actually really like poodles and have considered getting one in the future. I can't understand why you would want to ruin what is considered to be one of the smartest dogs and arguably one of the most beautiful, by crossing it with something else!
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I often wonder the same. I have am by no means a poodle expert but all of the ones I have come across whilst out walking have been utterly fabulous.

I don't quite understand the whole 'poo cross' trend other than to realise some less than scrupulous breeders have made an awful lot of money from it.

Mind you I think an awful lot of 'poo' owners don't understand the concept fully either as I have seen more than one person on FB arguing that their Cockapoo is KC registered ?
 
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