ester
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I have to say I very much regret twitching the mare when paying someone to clip her, bought my clippers second hand for £50 best money I ever spent being able to take my time and she is now fine year after year.
Douglas's first clip...haha
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Ranyhyn
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Fleet does have a point, you wouldn't get on a horse without trying it with the saddle first or hack it out without getting it used to traffic first etc etc I suppose sometimes its easy to forget however good they are, most new things will be treated with fear and suspicion.
Tiarella
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rather than going in all guns blazing.
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All guns blazing...talk about over exagerating
rather than going in all guns blazing.
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All guns blazing...talk about over exagerating
Tiarella
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Oh god....
My instructor, who is very professional in everything she does, has years and years of experience and is the best horse person I know did not just go into his stable waving the clippers round and twitching him
She stood for 10 mins letting him sniff them and putting them on his body without them being on. Then put them on and stood there for a while to let him get used to the noise. We were there for a good 45 mins before putting the twitch on. She put the twitch on to calm him down as he was actually rearing at her as well as kicking her, he was being very rude and trying to trample her. She knows the purpose of a twitch and did not just put it on him for the sake of it
My instructor, who is very professional in everything she does, has years and years of experience and is the best horse person I know did not just go into his stable waving the clippers round and twitching him
AmyMay
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I have to say I very much regret twitching the mare when paying someone to clip her, bought my clippers second hand for £50 best money I ever spent being able to take my time and she is now fine year after year.
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Yes, I did this with my little mare. It enabled me to work quitely with her over a period of time to be able clip her very happily during our time together. Previously she had to be sedated - and her issues were genuine nervousness and lack of confidence in what was going on. I bought some quiet Lister clippers, and clipped her myself for years.
I personally have no problem with horses being twitched when it's needed. But my horse's anxiety levels were simply too high for it to be any use at all.
I have to say I very much regret twitching the mare when paying someone to clip her, bought my clippers second hand for £50 best money I ever spent being able to take my time and she is now fine year after year.
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Yes, I did this with my little mare. It enabled me to work quitely with her over a period of time to be able clip her very happily during our time together. Previously she had to be sedated - and her issues were genuine nervousness and lack of confidence in what was going on. I bought some quiet Lister clippers, and clipped her myself for years.
I personally have no problem with horses being twitched when it's needed. But my horse's anxiety levels were simply too high for it to be any use at all.
welshstar
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I have to say, I must agree with some others on this thread. I don't post much but I thought I'd just share my own personal experience.
We have a pony who hated being clipped, he used to trample, rear and thrash out, much like yours sounds. At first he was given sedaline and a twitch for the really difficult bits but it really didn't help matters. He could still be quite dangerous and 'snap' out of it. He hated being given the sedaline paste and became more terrified of the clippers as he then associated them with the sedaline. However, we have perservered with him, getting him used to the sound and feel of the clippers. He has been clipped twice so far this autumn (hairy pony!!) and neither times did he need any sedaline and were quite enjoyable experiences for him. We got him a big net of haylage, some pony nuts 'just incase', plugged his ears with cotton wool and put an ear veil on. He's not perfect yet and still has to be twitched for his face but he is alot better and i'm positive with time and patience, he will get better and better.....much like your pony will do.
I don't know you're instructor or her experience atall but I just think with a bit of time and patience, you will have a beautifully clipped and happy little pony
We have a pony who hated being clipped, he used to trample, rear and thrash out, much like yours sounds. At first he was given sedaline and a twitch for the really difficult bits but it really didn't help matters. He could still be quite dangerous and 'snap' out of it. He hated being given the sedaline paste and became more terrified of the clippers as he then associated them with the sedaline. However, we have perservered with him, getting him used to the sound and feel of the clippers. He has been clipped twice so far this autumn (hairy pony!!) and neither times did he need any sedaline and were quite enjoyable experiences for him. We got him a big net of haylage, some pony nuts 'just incase', plugged his ears with cotton wool and put an ear veil on. He's not perfect yet and still has to be twitched for his face but he is alot better and i'm positive with time and patience, he will get better and better.....much like your pony will do.
I don't know you're instructor or her experience atall but I just think with a bit of time and patience, you will have a beautifully clipped and happy little pony
ester
Not slacking multitasking
yes I do get that be I am talking practice over a period of days before trying, much better IMO as they are something completley new.
barging/trampling is native pony default in a situation they dont like, frank tries to do it with dentist and vet, neither of which he likes.
barging/trampling is native pony default in a situation they dont like, frank tries to do it with dentist and vet, neither of which he likes.
Ranyhyn
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Schpug I have to say for me thats not half enough for a first time clip, but your pony - your perogative.
SFleetwood
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Oh god....
My instructor, who is very professional in everything she does, has years and years of experience and is the best horse person I know did not just go into his stable waving the clippers round and twitching him
She stood for 10 mins letting him sniff them and putting them on his body without them being on. Then put them on and stood there for a while to let him get used to the noise. We were there for a good 45 mins before putting the twitch on. She put the twitch on to calm him down as he was actually rearing at her as well as kicking her, he was being very rude and trying to trample her. She knows the purpose of a twitch and did not just put it on him for the sake of it
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Sometimes it's good to think outside of the box. And whilst we rely on the professionals for help and advice, remember they are not always right.
Someone in her capacity should, imo, realise that rearing and kicking is not going to be solved by sticking a twitch on. And the being 'rude' as you put it is just your horse expressing his concern.
It's ok to question things that people we hire suggest or do. And it's our experiences that enable to make judgement calls on certain situations ultimately.
Just as introducing our horses to new experiences can take time, so too can our own development as horse owners and handlers.
Oh god....
My instructor, who is very professional in everything she does, has years and years of experience and is the best horse person I know did not just go into his stable waving the clippers round and twitching him
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Sometimes it's good to think outside of the box. And whilst we rely on the professionals for help and advice, remember they are not always right.
Someone in her capacity should, imo, realise that rearing and kicking is not going to be solved by sticking a twitch on. And the being 'rude' as you put it is just your horse expressing his concern.
It's ok to question things that people we hire suggest or do. And it's our experiences that enable to make judgement calls on certain situations ultimately.
Just as introducing our horses to new experiences can take time, so too can our own development as horse owners and handlers.
Coffee_Bean
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Ahh the electric toothbrush idea was stolen off the forum
You could you use a *cough* something else that vibrates, but you may get some funny looks
As others have said, you need to give him time, as in days, and try and remove the stress from the situation. Believe me, I've been there and done that with catching, clipping, loading and now shoeing with bean
Its most annoying but hey I now have a horse that is fine to load/clip/ catch (well most of the time
) and hopefully kinda know how to try and deal with it. As I say, if you can, I would very much recommend buying your own, it is so so much easier.
As others have said, you need to give him time, as in days, and try and remove the stress from the situation. Believe me, I've been there and done that with catching, clipping, loading and now shoeing with bean
3BayGeldings
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Had you done any pre 'training' before trying to clip him today? I.e. leaving the clippers on around him, touching him with them... etc? Or was it just that 10 minutes before you started.
DunRoamin
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Sedation, Sorry i dont do faffing. bless his cottons
Tiarella
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Sedation, Sorry i dont do faffing. bless his cottons
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Sedation, Sorry i dont do faffing. bless his cottons
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helenhorse
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Sedation, Sorry i dont do faffing. bless his cottons
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agree, dont p!ss about trying to calm him by standing with the clippers if he naturally doesnt like it, and you havn't any time...end of.
....and again, about the twitching, its generally about the individual horse, some yeild to twitching, some dont...i personally have had no messing while twitching, and it makes life much more easier for me, others though, have problems....So its a matter of opinion isn't it...Dont see the point in debating and all this yadda yadda thats brewing sorry, as its different for everyone imho....
Sedation, Sorry i dont do faffing. bless his cottons
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agree, dont p!ss about trying to calm him by standing with the clippers if he naturally doesnt like it, and you havn't any time...end of.
somethingorother
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Well twitching clearly didn't work as he didn't get clipped. And if his reaction was so strong he may well fight any sedation and become a danger. I just don't understand why anyone would put their horse through stress or sedation when there is a way to do it that will probably make him happier for life, even if that means taking a few more days.
There have been so many good suggestions on this thread... i just don't understand why you wouldn't try it.
A positive outcome would have been to let him sniff the clippers etc, then walk away so he didn't get overloaded mentally and had a positive outcome. As it was things got very stressful for everyone and he may well now associate clippers very negatively.
There have been so many good suggestions on this thread... i just don't understand why you wouldn't try it.
A positive outcome would have been to let him sniff the clippers etc, then walk away so he didn't get overloaded mentally and had a positive outcome. As it was things got very stressful for everyone and he may well now associate clippers very negatively.
misst
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Our old mare was like this when we got her - she had been clipped without problems by her previous owner but then had a tough time with 2 dealers and I think had been cut or burnt with clippers. She nearly killed us all. She would sweat and shake at the sound of clippers.
I am afraid I just had her IV sedated by the vet for the first two years and then then slowly slowly reintroduced them.
13 years on she falls asleep whilst being clipped. It took 2 years to regain her confidence though... It can be done and if you sedate get the vet to do it properly for everyones safety.
Our old mare was like this when we got her - she had been clipped without problems by her previous owner but then had a tough time with 2 dealers and I think had been cut or burnt with clippers. She nearly killed us all. She would sweat and shake at the sound of clippers.
I am afraid I just had her IV sedated by the vet for the first two years and then then slowly slowly reintroduced them.
13 years on she falls asleep whilst being clipped. It took 2 years to regain her confidence though... It can be done and if you sedate get the vet to do it properly for everyones safety.