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Scratchline said:
As a doggy man who spends all his free time out and about in the countryside I have had numerous encounters, planned and unplanned with our foxy friend with different breeds of dog. And pretty much everytime day or night on coming face to face with a fox the dog doesnt know what to do but certainly doesnt attack it! Chase it all day but if the fox is in front of it the dog will not attack.
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My dog is a dobermann. The first and every subsequent time she saw a fox (unplanned- why would you plan an encounter between a fox and a dog except to hunt the fox? Is it in the interest of inter-species relations?) she went after it. If she'd caught it she would most certainly have done it some damage and if she'd been with her 'pack' (my other dogs) they would definitely have killed it. How do you suppose I taught her that?
 
PapaFrita said:
My dog is a dobermann. The first and every subsequent time she saw a fox (unplanned- why would you plan an encounter between a fox and a dog except to hunt the fox? Is it in the interest of inter-species relations?) she went after it. If she'd caught it she would most certainly have done it some damage and if she'd been with her 'pack' (my other dogs) they would definitely have killed it. How do you suppose I taught her that?
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Your dobermann did not catch the fox so you cannot comment other than to guess. Unless your dog is naturally aggresive it would realise the fox is of the same family and I suggest it would not follow through with the attack.
I also suggest your pack be kept away from animals and small children because their leader, yourself, obviously has no control over their behaviour and knows what a dangerous group of mutts they are.
 
Scratchline said:
Your dobermann did not catch the fox so you cannot comment other than to guess. Unless your dog is naturally aggresive it would realise the fox is of the same family and I suggest it would not follow through with the attack.
I also suggest your pack be kept away from animals and small children because their leader, yourself, obviously has no control over their behaviour and knows what a dangerous group of mutts they are.
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You are quite charming. I see it is quite impossible to pass comment on this thread without being insulted (I thought you were only rude BACK to people?) so I shall withdraw. I thought some of the points made by Dr May were very interesting but your attitude is frankly a bit **** so I can't take you seriously.
My dangerously aggressive mutts and I, their useless. Ineffectual leader, shall go terrorise a playgroup somewhere...
Have a pleasant day.
 
Erm, plenty of dogs are dog-aggressive (I have a recovering one), they will of course attack another dog, so why shouldn't a dog with a high prey drive, attack a fox.

Also, dog-aggressive dogs are not always people aggressive, quite the opposite in many cases.

Scratchline, you know a lot more about dogs than to suggest that no dog has an inbuilt instinct to chase and kill smaller, furry creatures.

Why don't you come and hang around the dogs forum and share your knowledge rather than getting so personal in here and on hunting, your attitude to PF's post was completely out of order.

You're not such a one trick pony as to only talk about the one subject on here, surely.
 
Hmmm...........dogs don't have an inbuilt instinct to chase and kill, someone on here knows a little black patterdale X who has a terrific instinct! You know who you are..................
 
jrp204 said:
Hmmm...........dogs don't have an inbuilt instinct to chase and kill, someone on here knows a little black patterdale X who has a terrific instinct! You know who you are..................
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lol lol lol Not fair jrp. The discussion is born out of the hounds none instinct to kill and how that is common in many breeds.
This is not and never was meant to be a blanket 'no dogs attack or will foxes'. It haas been taken that way in an attempt to discredit my statements IMO.
 
I'm not trying to discredit anyone Scratchline, least of all you, you weren't the one who came up with the quote about brutalised packs of dogs. You keep saying 'dogs' as opposed to 'hounds', obviously many dogs do have that instinct, if you mean 'hounds' have no natural instinct to chase and kill small furries, I am surprised at that, but perhaps someone who has raised them and has more experience with them can comment.

I am just asking questions and drawing from my own experiences.
 
CaveCanem said:
Erm, plenty of dogs are dog-aggressive (I have a recovering one), they will of course attack another dog, so why shouldn't a dog with a high prey drive, attack a fox.

Also, dog-aggressive dogs are not always people aggressive, quite the opposite in many cases.

Scratchline, you know a lot more about dogs than to suggest that no dog has an inbuilt instinct to chase and kill smaller, furry creatures.

Why don't you come and hang around the dogs forum and share your knowledge rather than getting so personal in here and on hunting, your attitude to PF's post was completely out of order.

You're not such a one trick pony as to only talk about the one subject on here, surely.
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Again, as I have just posted to jrp this was not intended by me to suggest that no dogs will attack a fox. The discussion was born from discussing cub hunting and how hounds did not naturally attack foxes, they had to be goaded to do so. As we can goad dogs to attack animals, people indeed pretty much anything. That doesnt holwever make it a natural instinct as claimed by hunters. Running dogs will chase its natural, scent hounds nose to the ground etc but to kill, that isnt in hounds inbred. That was the point anyway.

As for dog aggresive dogs I used to breed pits so I really do understand what you are saying. But again, it was about hounds using the reaction of many other breeds to a fox as examples. It was never a black and white discussion.

PF's post I just took the post and used it. A bit unfair, perhaps but I post like that. Mostly it is tongue in cheek but one thing that is very obvious on this forum is most are determined to take offence at the drop of the hat. For heavens sake its a public forum. I dont take any of the posts made to me to heart. Giles called me a dick yesterday but do I care? No, of course not. Maybe I need to change my style, we shall see but I would never and do never chase people around the forum bullying them. I am just not a nasty person I can assure you.

I will see you over on the doggy forum. You are right, I should make more effort to diversify so thankyou for your post.
 
CaveCanem said:
I'm not trying to discredit anyone Scratchline, least of all you, you weren't the one who came up with the quote about brutalised packs of dogs. You keep saying 'dogs' as opposed to 'hounds', obviously many dogs do have that instinct, if you mean 'hounds' have no natural instinct to chase and kill small furries, I am surprised at that, but perhaps someone who has raised them and has more experience with them can comment.

I am just asking questions and drawing from my own experiences.
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No I accept you are not trying to discredit me, I enjoy your posts. This whole debate was born out of the reason hounds have to go cubbing, what it teaches them and why IMO they have to be basically forced to kill. This being the case it is not therefore a natural instinct. To chase yes, to kill no.

Interestingly hunters of old ( on bigger animals often. Used scent hounds, then sight hounds and then sent in the killer hounds. There is a great painting by Ruebens, I think it is called boar hunt or something similar.
Looking at it I would put money on the killer hounds being very, very much the same dog with the same gameness as the modern day pit bull.

Right I am waffling lol I may be back online later CC but for now, best wishes Scratchline
 
But then again any dog will 'rag' a toy - what is this but a behaviour that a wild dog would use to kill small prey? You don't need to teach them to do that (actually I've spent quite a lot of time teaching Henry NOT to do that:rolleyes:).

Many people with pet hounds of various breeds cannot let them off the lead in public as their instincts overrule them and they head for the hills. I know several people with hound breeds - not working bred dogs - whp are in this position. Also, many greyhounds will kill cats or even small dogs if they have the chance which is why many wear muzzles. Several people have posted about this tendency in their own dogs in the past.

So surely they are behaving on natural instinct?
 
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