Dr.Brian May's SAVE ME campaign

This is the thing about antis - they like to rant - but when challenged they get out of their depth very quickly and just throw a temper tantrum.
 
it does make me giggle how 'Dr Brian-I-Live-In-The-Country-Side-Play-Guitar-And-Lick-Foxes-For-A-Living loses his temper so quickly in his letter. This intrigues me as much as sctratchlines awfully rubbish arguements as regards to views on foxhunting. :rolleyes: roll on David Cameron and his over-turn to the hunting ban... its not like Dr Brian or scratchline will ever come into paower now is it? what on earth would they do? tear down farms set pigs and so forth loose into the british countryside to leap around with the foxes that apparantly arent vermin and apparantly dont cause trouble with livestock?
and, for the record, i would LOVE a pair of clogs....do they sell them made of fox with B*gger the ban stamped on them?
 
Scratchline assumed incorrectly that I'm completely pro-hunting, whereas I see it more in shades of grey, rather than black and white - I guess I'm more for than against, but not overtly so. I have hunted on a handful of occasions, but freely admit that was to bring a young horse on and enjoy the ride, rather than to see hounds work and I agree I could do that drag hunting if I had had that option at the time. I live with someone who was completely against hunting, but has become slightly polarised by the actions of antis across the years, and who finds their hate and the extremism exhibited by some very worrying.

I also find it very difficult to support any group, such as some antis, that is so extreme that they would see other beings, whether they be human, canine or equine, hurt in order to gain their end - to stop another creature being being hurt or killed.

What I did find intriguing on the Facebook page was the venom being exhibited and the fact that the people who were 'calling out' the pro's were actually being a little dim in expecting people to join a group that would add their support to a cause that they were against, just in order to comment and then most likely get a load of abuse rather than a sensible debate. Why is there such a blindness to the fact that there are some sensible and founded arguments that can be made by both sides, though I guess I am asking a futile question? People are generally guided by their passion and prejudices.

I would respect those who abhore hunting who can honestly say they have never partaken in use or abuse of any other animal, but for all of those particularly furious antis who have ever worn leather, eaten farmed meat or utilised animal derived or tested products, then I don't understand the need for so much hate. I could understand it far more if people were getting so worked up about genocide, the reign of Mugabe or other atrocious global problems that affect millions.

If I were more proactive myself, then the cause I would take up would be to completely bring the rearing and care of farmed animals up to scratch. If you gave me a choice, I would far prefer to be a hunted fox than an intensively or semi-intensively farm reared animal, taking my chance as it comes.

Just some ramblings, but hopefully rational to some. Scratchline, I'm not suggesting that you are particularly furious or angry yourself, more that you are someone that has an informed opinion, like me would do everything they could to help an animal in distress in a certain time and place, and a valid point of view that is just far more polarised in one way than mine. Maybe you just care more, but then so do pro-hunters for what they believe in.
 
pp, yes there are many other issues, and intensely farmed animals are a huge one, but the hunting ban was a step in the right direction for animal welfare and realising that there is no need for animal cruelty. Fox hunting is most certainly animal cruelty. If the ban gets overturned, then what does that say about these other important issues? That it doesn't matter how many people feel strongly against something, it can be overturned just like that, because a few people (and in the general public it has been shown to be minority) don't agree. That's not supposed to be the way a 'civilised' culture such as ours works... but never mind that eh, people wanna kill foxes.

i'm not sure if this will work, but it has just swayed me from otherwise voting for Cameron, who i really do like for all their other policies... but i couldn't live with myself if i helped them to overturn something rather than doing what they should be. Which is finding ways to reinforce the LAW.

Edited as i am actually not willing to add such an offensive picture. It is in fact a picture of a dead horse in a busy street, with a post stuck through it's middle and a sign saying 'If you ban hunting there will be lots of these'. The most ridiculous argument for hunting yet.
 
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Meawhile, LACS campaign goes from strength to strength .... er, not:

Northampton Evening Telegraph 22.4.10 Chicken puts some excitement into election campaign, but fox fails to hunt down target - ELECTION BLOG - Deputy editor Neil Pickford continues his election diary - Finally, at long last, some excitement has been injected into the election in the form of a man in a chicken suit and an egg-thrower. Unfortunately, an attempt at a similar stunt in Corby this week backfired horribly. The League of Cruel Sports sent a man in a fox suit into the town, and assured us they would be "hunting" Conservative candidate Louise Bagshawe. Unfortunately, Louise was nowhere to be seen and the fox was seen forlornly posing for photographers alone.
 
Hi pootleperkin. I am angry that some people wish to see the end of the hunting with dogs ban. Not only does the ban protect foxes from being ripped apart by hounds it also protects many other animals from cruelty. I dont want a return to hare coursing either, it is just another blood sport.
You are right that I care about animals and no I would not stand by whilst a human allowed his dogs to rip apart a living creature. Tbh the reason I do not attend hunts anymore as there is no way I would be able to control myself. It is absolutely sick in my opinion and the people involved are sick. When there are other far more humane ways to deal with say problem foxes it is all about fun for the hunters. There is no other way to put it.
 
Xlthlx said:
This is the thing about antis - they like to rant - but when challenged they get out of their depth very quickly and just throw a temper tantrum.
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When challenged about humane trapping and dispatch of foxes instead of hunting with hounds YOU refuse to respond, instead talking about deer!
 
Well, you'd better be as brave as your words, because if you ever come within sniffing distance of me I'll have your guts for garters, you pathetic, arrogant, jumped-up, snivelling little dweeb.

Dr. Brian May, CBE.[/QUOTE]

I reckon I could take Brian May on and I'm a girlie!!!!
 
1. “It’s a BAD law... Baa-aad! Unenforceable... confusing... we don’t understand it.”

I went "illegal hunting" with a brittany (if you know the dog, you'll see why thats funny!) because the law states it's intentional hunting thats illegal, not killing things.
I've also been "illegal" intentional hunting with my cat (she found a fox and I hoped she killed it!). Which, whilst not covered directly by the act, does rather question the point of the act. Why is my dog more cruel than my cat if I have the same intent for both? The dog never got into fox hunting, but the cat relished it. Where I stand as the intentional huntee of both animals is lost in waffle about how cute foxes are, and how evil tories are...

2. “It took up too much parliamentary time.”

It took up more time than a war against the will of the majority of the british people. Great. Foxes are worth more than lives of children who have their limbs melted from their bodies in UK bombing raids.
I love that this government is also responsible for my healthcare (worryingly, Stafford hospitals don't have a very good record for that!)

3. “Foxes are vermin; if we didn’t hunt them, we’d be overrun with them.”

Thank the Gods they haven't banned shooting! Yet...


4. “We don’t persecute foxes - we love them... we conserve them... we preserve a balance - we even ‘enoble’ them by hunting them - and we strengthen the breed by picking off the weakest.”

Wolves are vemin, in that they eat a fair few farm animals and occasionally babies. But they still warrant a great deal of respect.
It's a tough thing, respect, only a few understand the concept of it. Apparently, antis don't (proven, I feel, by their wish to condem foxes to lingering deaths!)

5. “It’s traditional - traditions are good - they are our birth-right.”

Ouch, thats a contradiction. Written by another anti? It is traditional, but not all traditions are good, and none are certainly a birthright.
As for other "traditions", google the S.O.P.H.I.E. campaign, it's about a girl kicked to death for being Gothic (associated with Witches). Apparently hunting isn't the only tradition still very much in force.

6. “Foxes are vicious and cruel - haven’t you seen what they do to a chicken coop if they get in? They kill all the birds for pleasure.”

Motive aside, those birds are there to make you eggs that you demand, and your current demand for free range puts foxes in an interesting position. An all you can eat buffet of 7,000 birds is a little bit expensive, don't you think? Nevermind, as you love them so much, I reckon you can foot the bill!


7. “Foxes are dirty.”

I can honestly say this is the first time I have EVER, in my LIFE, heard this as an excuse to hunt foxes. And I'd hardly call them "clean". I've also never met a litter trained fox (although, they seem to favour children's sandpits the same way cats do! Oh well, our government already showed it values foxes over children! Next we'll have children criminalised for disturbing fox dung, which indicates the border of a foxes territory!)
 
8. “It’s NATURAL for men to hunt foxes, just like Lions hunt antelope.”

Wolves hunt foxes, Lions kick hyena's spotty backsides, individual tigers/leopards etc don't appreciate others of their kind knocking on their door (unless they're hot, female and single!). Predators kill other predators. Get it?


9. “Ah well, yes - it's natural for DOGS to kill foxes.”

I'd love to know how we brutalise them and half starve them (ever wondered what happened to all the little boy cows you saved from veal?). A foxhound is one of the few breeds I would trust with children, and I'm not alone. I wouldn't, however, trust a westie, horrid little dogs, bred for their horrible attitude to everything rather than hunting foxes.

10. “By hunting we eliminate the weakest animals, so we strengthen the species. The foxes are either killed, or get away if they are strong. Just like in Africa.”

True story! Unfortunatly, a bunch of chavvy council estate foxes have infiltrated the countryside, bringing their argos catalogues and McDonalds fetishes, which makes it harder to see the difference hunting makes.

12. “You people who live in towns don’t understand the ways of the countryside. Leave us alone and mind your own business!”

The same people who think sheep eat people, chickens enjoy living in 3,500 bird free range units, that mud is put next to gates by nasty farmers, that farmers delibratly milk at 5am to annoy the neighbours and that church bells are a waste of time?
Wow. They know SOOO much about country ways...

13. “You are taking away our human right to socialise in our traditional way.”

Sometimes, I wish they'd bugger off and socialise at a drag hunt. The field do my nut in!

14. “If we are prevented from killing foxes using dogs, farmers have to control these pests by shooting them. Farmers are poor marksmen, so many foxes die a lingering death from gunshot wounds - which is inhumane.”

I met a czechslovacian marksman with a .303 rifle (thats a very very big gun, but you should probably know that, right?) who was delighted that he'd just shot a fox, and I quote "it's guts just fell out".
Now, if you can explain to me how "it's guts just fell out" is any different to "it's guts were torn out" then you deserve a Nobel Prize for Talking Rubbish!!!
 
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