Dressage Judging

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Went to a Hickstead dressage qualifier in Ireland today and was so concerned by what I saw I felt I had to ask is this a general problem with dressage still. I watched one of the Medium classes and saw a well known rider have a lot of problems with a very naughty horse even though the rider rode beautifully the horse clearly did not want to play dressage, the comments around me were that it was an awful shame and the general concensus that the score would be very low as most movements were poorly done. The class was a mixed bunch but later on a very smart little horse came in who did the smoothest test of the day, it was the first test I saw where the hocks were underneath and the horse was relaxed and swinging through the back. It was a pleasure to watch, so I was shocked when I saw the results, the obedient horse with the faultless test ended up practically last and the difficult horse in the first three. Apparently the reasoning of the judge was that the first horse held his neck up like a giraffe and had flashy movement and that was enough for a prize despite not actually being able to do the test and having hocks strung out behind whilst the obedient horse, being more of a working hunter build was not "up" enough for the judge. My question is if the horse is working up and through should that be penalised because its conformation will never allow the extremes of vertical necks seen now? Has dressage regressed again to the point that conformation not way of going is the most important factor in being placed? If that is the case then breeding dressage horses faces the same problems that dog breeding has had to face where form takes preference to function with long term implications for the horse. I made a point of approaching the losing rider to express my opinion that their test was the best I had seen but in the circumstances it was scant consolation. Hopefully this is not widespread as many non professionals would be discouraged very quickly with the sport.
 
I dont know the answer, but I believe in America the judge has had to have ridden to a higher level than the one they are judging !! maybe this would help???......
 
I do a lot of writing for judges and without exception find the judging totally consistent. What you are describing doesn't sound fair. Did the rider put in a complaint?
 
It amazes me. I have stepped back from dressage a bit but used to compete BD a lot. I took my little chestnut mare to a big Elementary Kur. Lizzie Murray won and she was tremendous and I came second but the horse in third was only 0.5 behind me and at one point it was pulled up completely for pratting around. Seems that sometimes who the rider is (bloke in 3rd was very well-known rider taking out a youngster) can definitely sway the judges. I was over the moon and qualified for Nationals. Sadly my lorry broke down on the way and we never made it :(. I have seen poor judging at several events since and have been really dispirited. I'm doing a lot more showjumping now as there's less controversy over marking your round!!
 
I think dressage has always been controversial because it's so subjective, but don't write it off because of one test judged by one judge!

I have a horse which is long in the back and has a tendency to throw his front legs forward and leave his hocks trailing (unless I ride him well to correct it). When he does a test like a camel with his hocks trailing he always gets severely penalised. When he works correctly with his back swinging and active hindleg he always gets rewarded, so I would say that the majority of judges (at BD Elem and Med) can see this.

Abi31: what bad luck with your lorry!!! Hope you get another chance this year!
 
I don't think she put in a complaint but she didn't turn up today! Seems to be a problem here in Ireland, as long as you ride a pretty show hack with an upright neck then you can't lose, very much a case of the face having to fit to win. Such a shame, I have heard that there is a problem with membership numbers in Ireland and I can see why, clearly the judges don't judge on the movements performed.
 
I didn't realise you were in Ireland. That explains why my writing experience here in England is very different from what you have described. Judges here like engagement, throughness etc.
 
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