dressage legal?

I can't really think of anything that produces that level of poll pressure, or even close, that's dressage legal. It really is a severe bit IMO- I thought it was going to be a ported snaffle or something, rather than that!
 
EquiOil said:
If you need poll pressure why not try a drop cheek snaffle?
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They don't give any more poll pressure than any other snaffle- they create stability in the mouth which is why so many horses respond well to them. But it's not poll pressure, promise :D
 
I agree that it is a harsh bit, but I did not get it for the severity. My horse is fine in a snaffle with lozenge 99% of the time but as soon as she is having "one of those moments" she know exactly how to evade it, which is where my problems stems. She had started also playing up with the old bit (nothing major, just throwing her head about a lot, ears back etc and teeth only just done so not that, thought it was just because she was fresh), something I didnt realise was the bit until it stopped with the new one!
I bought it mainly for the sweet iron and the fact she can have something to play with in her mouth and, as I thought, she loves it! She works better, more correct, and works a lot longer & lower, I make sure I have very soft hands in this bit.

Unfortunatly at shows is one of the times my mare evades her bit, I used to get away with it with a flash when we went out but that doesn't even work anymore. I think it is more of her having something to play with and concentrate on that helps.

what are peoples opinions on this? Assuming this is dressage legal?
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=sh...dsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:112&tx=112&ty=44
 
EquiOil said:
Ok...so what is the extra bit above which a normal snaffle doesn't have? The bit that when you give a tug on the rein it tugs more so on the cheek peice than the mouth...? Or that might just be my interpretation of poll pressure....but I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong :D
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http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=280307&page=2

This thread explain really well, with some interesting papers cited too.

Essentially, the bit is held higher in the horse's mouth with the higher rings, creating stability which horses prefer.
 
So would a hanging cheek snaffle with a sweet iron lozenge be allowed? Because wouldn't the Neue Schule Verbindend be classed as mixed metal also??

I could try this with a drop noseband, which was another thing on my list to try :rolleyes:
 
baker190 said:
So would a hanging cheek snaffle with a sweet iron lozenge be allowed? Because wouldn't the Neue Schule Verbindend be classed as mixed metal also??

I could try this with a drop noseband, which was another thing on my list to try :rolleyes:
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The Verbindend bit is all one metal - Salox except for the stainless steel bit rings, which are not of course in the mouth. I love this bit as my mare does - really lightens up the forehand and she loves the Salox.
 
Mixed metal bits are now allowed. This is taken from the new 2013 rulebook:-

Bits of rubber, nylon or other synthetic materials are permitted. Bits must be used in their
manufactured condition without any addition to/on any part. Only the bits that are
illustrated are permitted, mouthpieces may be used with any of the cheeks or rings
illustrated. A mix of metals in the mouthpiece are permitted. A plastic snaffle with a
cylindrical rotating mouthpiece is permitted. Minimum diameter of the mouthpiece should
be 10mm. Snaffles used in Young Horse classes must have a minimum diameter of 14mm.

For full description of all bits allowed see page 32:

http://www.britishdressage.co.uk/uploads/File/British Dressage Rule Book 2012 DOWNLOAD.pdf
 
SallyBatty said:
Mixed metal bits are now allowed. This is taken from the new 2013 rulebook:-

Bits of rubber, nylon or other synthetic materials are permitted. Bits must be used in their
manufactured condition without any addition to/on any part. Only the bits that are
illustrated are permitted, mouthpieces may be used with any of the cheeks or rings
illustrated. A mix of metals in the mouthpiece are permitted. A plastic snaffle with a
cylindrical rotating mouthpiece is permitted. Minimum diameter of the mouthpiece should
be 10mm. Snaffles used in Young Horse classes must have a minimum diameter of 14mm.

For full description of all bits allowed see page 32:

http://www.britishdressage.co.uk/uploads/File/British Dressage Rule Book 2012 DOWNLOAD.pdf
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Ahh thanks SallyBatty!! So this should mean my second choice of hanging cheek with sweet iron and copper snaffle should be fine??
 
Oh right I see.
Unfortunately that wouldn't work with my mare anyway as she hates the single jointed bits, losenge all the way for her :p
 
baker190 said:
I am hopefully (transport depending) going to Blue Barn EC! :D
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Woo good luck!

I too am trying to sort out bits - my boy is in a Happy Mouth beval with the roller, and although I don't tend to use the loops, it isn't dressage legal because of them. Can't use bit guards either so a loose ring is out too - plus he spends ALL his time trying to catch and chew them :rolls:
 
I think I am going to go with the hanging cheek sweet iron snaffle with copper losenge, other than that idea I have no clue either though!!
My mare tends to do a good giraffe impression, grabs the bit and runs when we go out, all due to excitement which is almost impossible to catch quick enough and she has even sussed it in a flash (I HATE using a flash and she also hates it) so my next best bet is this bit and a drop noseband.

Unfortunatly (I think :o) she never does it at home so it isn't like it is something we can work on before going out either!
 
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