Dressage lines for jumping and vice versa??

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Would you consider buying a youngster with fab dressage/showjumping lines, to do the opposite job?? I think many of the composits are the same, but just interested to know your thoughts, pro's and cons etc.

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Yes...

I have/have had quite a few horses that are bred to do one discipline but do another
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The continentals have been line breeding for years and years for both dressage and show jumping for their temperament, movement and jumping ability/ technique etc and they know what they are doing. Sandro Hit is legendary as a dressage sire, yet his sire Sandro was a show jumper. Even so certain dressage lines are renound for being sharp /more difficult, etc other lines more trainable.I just think that whilst most jumpers would have enough movement for dressage, would a horse which has generations of dressage lines is it very likely to produce a show jumper.When these stallions are graded they are assessed for both their jumping and movement etc.
Having attended the stallion gradings where the colts are loose jumped there is a HUGE difference between the jumping bred and dressage bred colts when they jump.
Yes ssjez there are some exceptions like yours, but if you look at the bloodlines of the top jumping horses today what percentage of them have dressage lines?
 
It may depend on what level you are aiming at. I would happily consider a horse bred for a different job, as long as it was a good fit for me personally - but I am riding for fun, not to win. I am sure the vast majority of the dressage bred quality horses would jump more than well enough for me and vice versa :-)
 
A really good modern day example of breeding for the opposite of the end job is Emma Hindle's Dressage stallion Chequille Z! He was bred by Zangersheide as a jumper and is by the stallion Caretano Z and out of a Lavall II mare - so you couldn't get more jumper than that! He was sold at the Z auctions and is now tipped to be Emma's horse of choice for the 2012 Olympics.... Incidentally it is this same Caretino bloodline that SSJez's stallion descends from.

http://www.brookhousestud.com/2007/_html/main.php?taal=en&&page=hengst&&id=6

Another stallion bred to jump but doing dressage is Millenium. He comes from a jumping bloodline and his siblings were I believe jumpers...but he was a GP Dressage stallion.
 
not many, i'd guess the most common would be sandro and argentinus lines who as you say have produded both offspring who have competed in dressage and jumping unlike stallions such as donnerhall and weltmeyer who havent been as successful in both spheres.

a little thought on cheenook... he was by caretino, one of holsteins top jumping progenitors out of a romantiker mare so goes back to ramiro, suggesting a jumping pedigree. interstingly cheenooks full sisters bettina, minook, nanook and domina have all been bred to top jumping stallions. 3 of these mares have been put to cassini, minook has also had foals by QDR and BDR. does this not suggest that their strengths lie in jumping? cheenook also got an index of 140 for his jumping in 2002. i find it facinating for these reasons that he excells in dressage and not jumping as one would expect with an ancestry and pedigree directed for a destiny in jumping.

i once had a mare by kigali who is another intersting stallion by wolfgang. he was out of emile hendrix's voltaire mare finesse who jumped at the olympics. as a 5 year old kigali won the 5 year olds at lanaken. after his career as a jumper he was retrained successfully as a dressage horse.

would these jumping stallions that possess the correct traits for dressage prove to be a suitable outcross for dressage mares who contain the more common dressage lines without having to bring in tb?

it will be intesting to see how the offspring of chequille turn out, but i suppose it will depend on the mares he is used on and the marketing behind him.
 
I must say my balou du rouet filly has amazing paces and will do dressage to start with !!

though if you look at the lines balou and Daddy cool are out of the same mother line with different dads !! I think Daddy cool even won his jumping performance test but is a dressage horse x
 
A lot of the PS dressage stallions seem to have a good jumping influence on the dam side. I think I would look at a jumper to produce a dressage horse, but agree would be less likely to consider one the other way round, but wouldnt rule it out. After all, how many of us want/need to buy a horse with the scope to jump internationally. Plenty of dressage bred youngsters, if athletic enough, will jump to a resonable standard.
 
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