Driving - "Grandfather" rights -- ARRRRR

[Copperpot]

Rog he says that he was allowed to drive up to 82 tonnes on his military driving licence. Unfortunately he left the Army 8 years ago and never asked/thought at the time about getting it put on his normal licence. Probably didn't envisage meeting a horsey girl

 

[ROG]

Rog he says that he was allowed to drive up to 82 tonnes on his military driving licence. Unfortunately he left the Army 8 years ago and never asked/thought at the time about getting it put on his normal licence. Probably didn't envisage meeting a horsey girl

I am still lost on this ..

Was he tested under the DSA system - that is usually done with an army designated DSA examiner which could be a civvy or a military person ?

If he was tested by the above then did he, the army or the examiner deal with the licence upgrade within the first two tears of passing the test?

 

[ROG]

Thanks. Thought so which is a pest as harder for 18yo to pass C without some practise driving out with the concentrated test training.

If you can find somehwere that is private gated/barrier private land then they can practice reversing etc on that

 

[Copperpot]

I shall ask him when he returns

 

[ROG]

As its the weekend ...

Any more questions on the new driver rules or grandfather rights ?


For trailer towing and LGV rules please see the apropriate links in my signature below

 

[Fourlegsgood]

As its the weekend ...

Any more questions on the new driver rules or grandfather rights ?

Not a question.... but more like a tale concerning grandfather rights.

A few months ago I fell off my horse and was knocked out. As I was coming to I had a slight fit. The doctor said I had to notify DVLA which I did on the form downloaded from their website. All there is on the form is a box which you tick and then sign it to give permission for them to contact your GP.

About 3 weeks later I got a letter informing me that they had revoked my license on medical grounds. I rang them up and found out that they had made a decision based solely on the form and had not contacted my GP. Eventually I got them to agree that they had incorrectly revoked my license and when they got a letter from my GP informing them it was a provoked fit and not likely to reoccur they agreed to invite me to apply for my license.

However, they then told me that when you have your license returned after it has been revoked on medical grounds then it does not have the grandfather rights. It this point I got furious and threatened to take them to court for negligently handling my case. I also made a formal complaint. Within 48 hours I got them to agree that they would return my license complete with the grandfather rights because they had incorrectly revoked it in the first place.

It took me 6 weeks to get my license back after it had been revoked and completely wrecked my competition plans.

Beware!!

 

[ROG]

A few months ago I fell off my horse and was knocked out. As I was coming to I had a slight fit. The doctor said I had to notify DVLA which I did on the form downloaded from their website. All there is on the form is a box which you tick and then sign it to give permission for them to contact your GP.

That is a good post and what I would suggest is that if anyone else finds themselves in a similar situation then attatch a letter from the GP or consultant

 

[becca1305]

Thread hijack : but just wondered if ROG could kindly answer a Q for me . Is there also an age limit as well as 3 year rule after passing Class C for you to supervise another driver on class C / C1 who is O21? So at 21 when ive held my Class C licence 3 yrs could I supervise my 21yo friend in a 7.5tonne box? Also are there any rules regarding medical condition of supervisor eg fell off at competition & sprained ankle badly etc could I supervise her if she was fully ablebodied to drive home (after ringing insurance). Im just considering the very unlikely just in case scenarios really but wouldnt want to get it wrong if it did happen! Thanks

 

[ROG]

Thread hijack : but just wondered if ROG could kindly answer a Q for me . Is there also an age limit as well as 3 year rule after passing Class C for you to supervise another driver on class C / C1 who is O21? So at 21 when ive held my Class C licence 3 yrs could I supervise my 21yo friend in a 7.5tonne box? Also are there any rules regarding medical condition of supervisor eg fell off at competition & sprained ankle badly etc could I supervise her if she was fully ablebodied to drive home (after ringing insurance). Im just considering the very unlikely just in case scenarios really but wouldnt want to get it wrong if it did happen! Thanks

There is an age limit but it makes no odds because the supervising age limit is 21 but the earliest you can get the LGV is age 18 for civilians - it could be obtained at age 17 if in the forces in which case the 21 age would apply

C covers C1 so after holding C for 3 years you can supervise C1 or C

The laws on supervising drivers are that, unless they are driving, they do not have to be insured or physically fit to drive - they must be competent enough to supervise so being under the influence etc is not allowed

 

[becca1305]

Thanks for the clarification

 

[FabioandFreddy]

OMG, this thread just had me panicking!!! OH drives our lorry as i passed my test after 1997 (or whenever it was the rules changed!) and he was before that. Thought that would be both of us ruled out of driving it!

 

[rockysmum]

The "gradfather rights" does puzzle me a bit. Fair enough if you have been towing or driving large vehicles for years. But with the current legislation anyone who happened to pass their test before a date can just jump in and drive.

When they brought in the HGV my dad got a class one as he had driven artics in the past. But he had to prove he had done it, his employer had to sign or something.

Doesn't really seem fair to those who passed their tests after the date.

 

[ROG]

OMG, this thread just had me panicking!!! OH drives our lorry as i passed my test after 1997 (or whenever it was the rules changed!) and he was before that. Thought that would be both of us ruled out of driving it!

Breathe easy - panic over - OH will retain all the pre 97 categories

 

[ROG]

The "gradfather rights" does puzzle me a bit. Fair enough if you have been towing or driving large vehicles for years. But with the current legislation anyone who happened to pass their test before a date can just jump in and drive.

Doesn't really seem fair to those who passed their tests after the date.

To tighten up on the law for safety they had to start sometime so the change in EU law in 1997 gave the perfect opportunity

To then make it a retrospective law across the EU would have caused too many problems especially for those who were already driving the categories many now have to pass a seperate test for