Dropped onto my head today...

Megibo said:
Thankyou.

I feel bad about what happened now I have a good idea of why she did it. As I said earlier she was good as gold to ride the day before. Will see what the physio says when she comes back out and will also see how she is today.
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maybe thats the thing to remember next time, if shes normally good and then something like that happens, always think there is something wrong first. Leo is normally as good as gold, and if he suddenly stood up I would be horrified and he'd be immediatley going threw an MOT! :)
 
Tinypony said:
Changed her mind about what? Instructor coming back on Friday. Horse to be lunged until "on her knees" today.
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See OP's second post.

ETA Why are people still huffing and pontificating when OP has come on here and put a completely different take on her first post?
 
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KateandSpotlight said:
maybe thats the thing to remember next time, if shes normally good and then something like that happens, always think there is something wrong first. Leo is normally as good as gold, and if he suddenly stood up I would be horrified and he'd be immediatley going threw an MOT! :)
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Well when she did it I really could not work out what it was. So as I said I regret her having to work hard with the instructor but once she stopped arguing she worked like she normally does! Will be giving her lots of apologies today and hoping physio can give me some answers.
Had I worked it out the minute I got back up off the floor I'd have untacked her and put her away! I think she has done it before with the previous owner though-everything they told me about her has been very true so far, though they said she 'bronced' once due to having a cut near the saddle area and they rode her anyway as they didn't think about possible bruising. However she bought a new horse that bucks and things so why sell Nesta for doing it once?
 
Megibo said:
Nesta was then caught and instructor got on her, she tried it on with her too but got a whacking and was worked right into the ground. Dripping with sweat she was but she totally deserved it. I wasn't allowed back on due to the head injury... Tomorrow Nesta is being lunged until she is on her knees, then I am getting on and riding her.
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Good idea :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure the horse won't equate rearing with then being battered and worked until dripping. If she is going to rear again, I doubt she'll be thinking 'hmm, last time I did this, I got a battereing' before she pings up.

What a strange way to deal with a first time event. I am feeling quite sorry for your horse.

As for lunging until she's on her knees, again, I disagree.
Yes, lunge to take the fizz out but any more than that is more for you than her and if you aren't happy to get on her until she is on her knees, you should be asking yourself if you should be getting on at all :(
 
OMG - Disgusting post!! You condoned your instructor working your horse into the ground till she was dripping with Sweat??? and said she deserved it???

OP Honestly you should be ashamed of yourself -
 
Megibo said:
Well when she did it I really could not work out what it was. So as I said I regret her having to work hard with the instructor but once she stopped arguing she worked like she normally does! Will be giving her lots of apologies today and hoping physio can give me some answers.
Had I worked it out the minute I got back up off the floor I'd have untacked her and put her away! I think she has done it before with the previous owner though-everything they told me about her has been very true so far, though they said she 'bronced' once due to having a cut near the saddle area and they rode her anyway as they didn't think about possible bruising. However she bought a new horse that bucks and things so why sell Nesta for doing it once?
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aw :( what do you think is wrong with her?
 
quirky said:
Good idea :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure the horse won't equate rearing with then being battered and worked until dripping. If she is going to rear again, I doubt she'll be thinking 'hmm, last time I did this, I got a battereing' before she pings up.

What a strange way to deal with a first time event. I am feeling quite sorry for your horse.

As for lunging until she's on her knees, again, I disagree.
Yes, lunge to take the fizz out but any more than that is more for you than her and if you aren't happy to get on her until she is on her knees, you should be asking yourself if you should be getting on at all :(
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showpony said:
OMG - Disgusting post!! You condoned your instructor working your horse into the ground till she was dripping with Sweat??? and said she deserved it???

OP Honestly you should be ashamed of yourself -
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Please read ALL of the replies before diving in-thankyou.
 
Megibo said:
The 'whacking' is an exaggeration and she had my horse going beautifully. Everything in my post was prior to me figuring out WHY she did it-at the time we could not work it out and the fact she stopped trying to rear and behaved perfectly and moved like a dream made me think she was OK. I am lunging her gently today, and will then lean over her back to assess her reaction. I have already phoned the back lady and arranged for her to come back out just to check and make double sure her back is sound as she declared it.

It's either the new training aid which encourages her to use herself properly (EquiAmi) or it was a combination of the new clip, wind, being a little excited anyways and things flapping about due to the wind and she just has an extreme spook/reaction.
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Guys, the OP was obviously in a bit of shock yesterday when she first posted. We've all been there and posted out of frustration, anger and disappointment. She's posted the above and no one seems to have read it properly.

Ok a couple of things were said/done that probably shouldn't have been-but can everybody HONESTLY say that they haven't had a moment of misjudgement with their own horse?

To me it just sounds like she was taking the pee a bit, and feeling a bit fresh and OP wasn't quite ready for it.

Been a long time since I posted in here but having met the OP in RL and having been a member on here for such a long time, I felt I had to say something.

Hope you're feeling better today and that Nesta behaves herself on the lunge
 
99.99% of the time there IS a reason for this type of behaviour. She was trying to tell you something but you AND the instructor failed to listen.
I would get her back checked, and the fit of the saddle. If its newly fitted it might need tweaking.
 
KateandSpotlight said:
aw :( what do you think is wrong with her?
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If she HAS done it before, then no idea-as I said she was declared pain free everywhere and everything is newly fitted to her. So shouldn't be that...

It COULD be sore muscles from using the new lunge aid or it could have been a combination of her being naturally spooky, she is newly clipped and hasn't been clipped before, it was windy and there were a few things flapping and she just had an extreme reaction.
 
happyhack said:
Guys, the OP was obviously in a bit of shock yesterday when she first posted. We've all been there and posted out of frustration, anger and disappointment. She's posted the above and no one seems to have read it properly.

Ok a couple of things were said/done that probably shouldn't have been-but can everybody HONESTLY say that they haven't had a moment of misjudgement with their own horse?

To me it just sounds like she was taking the pee a bit, and feeling a bit fresh and OP wasn't quite ready for it.

Been a long time since I posted in here but having met the OP in RL and having been a member on here for such a long time, I felt I had to say something.

Hope you're feeling better today and that Nesta behaves herself on the lunge
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Thanks happyhack.

Mark-She is a welsh D.
I have since heard that lots of people's horses were being very strange and out of character yesterday. Hmm. Perhaps we are terrible owners.

I will add that once Nesta was working well my instructor gave her lots of praise and worked her fairly. I had a sweaty horse yes, but she was calm. And there is a difference between calm and tired, yes, I know.
 
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Megibo said:
Please read ALL of the replies before diving in-thankyou.
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I did read them all ..... and I still chose to write the response I did ;)
I'm not fluffy but I can't see what you are hoping to achieve by lunging her to her knees today. I'll say it again ... If you need to have the horse in that cowed/exhausted condition to get on, maybe you shouldn't get on.

I know we all do things differently but when my mare, who I've had since a 3yr old, now 7, had a broncing do and dropped me on my head, I didn't thrash her :(. It was so out of character, she hadn't done it before or since. I got back on after I'd got my bearings, walked her round on each rein and popped off her on a good note. She would've been beside herself if I'd thrashed her and I'm pretty certain she wouldn't have known why either :confused:

* I'll shut the door on my way out *
 
quirky said:
I did read them all ..... and I still chose to write the response I did ;)
I'm not fluffy but I can't see what you are hoping to achieve by lunging her to her knees today. I'll say it again ... If you need to have the horse in that cowed/exhausted condition to get on, maybe you shouldn't get on.

I know we all do things differently but when my mare, who I've had since a 3yr old, now 7, had a broncing do and dropped me on my head, I didn't thrash her :(. It was so out of character, she hadn't done it before or since. I got back on after I'd got my bearings, walked her round on each rein and popped off her on a good note. She would've been beside herself if I'd thrashed her and I'm pretty certain she wouldn't have known why either :confused:

* I'll shut the door on my way out *
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If you HAD read all of the replies, you would have noticed that I am not going to lunge her until she is on her knees today. And also, that my horse was not thrashed.
Thankyou, its cold in here as it is.
 
quirky said:
I did read them all ..... and I still chose to write the response I did ;)
I'm not fluffy but I can't see what you are hoping to achieve by lunging her to her knees today. I'll say it again ... If you need to have the horse in that cowed/exhausted condition to get on, maybe you shouldn't get on.
I am lunging her gently today, and will then lean over her back to assess her reaction. I have already phoned the back lady and arranged for her to come back out just to check and make double sure her back is sound as she declared it.
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Just sayin
 
Uuum..tell her you are really sorry and give her a treat.and learn to listen better. Hope your head is ok and check your hat is still safe to wear :)
 
I think the op was shocked yesterday and hadn't taken time to think about why mare did this. It is all a learning curve. My mare is very good, can be a bit silly now and again but you need to learn the difference between that and when they are trying to tell you something. sounds like she was trying to tell you something before you even mounted. If they are doing something out of character then there is a reason for it.

I wouldn't be riding or lungeing her just now til you suss out the reason behind it.
I am a bit surprised at your instructor, she wasn't in shock and if she is any sort of horsewoman alarm bells should have been ringing.
 
I know I said I would back out but honestly!
Quote from OP "dripping with sweat she was but totally deserved it" (can't do quotes on phone)
You need to learn a bit more about horses me thinks and how their mind works.

Or take up knitting!

Oh and FWIW, if you are telling the truth your instructor is not excellent. She is dangerous & negligent!
 
I am so shocked. She is screaming at you!!!! Have the ability to listen. We are so privilaged to be able to be a part of these wonderful creatures,,,They deserve as all to get better. Yes we make mistakes but learn from it and improve....
 
Milkmaid said:
I know I said I would back out but honestly!
Quote from OP "dripping with sweat she was but totally deserved it" (can't do quotes on phone)
You need to learn a bit more about horses me thinks and how their mind works.

Or take up knitting!

Oh and FWIW, if you are telling the truth your instructor is not excellent. She is dangerous & negligent!
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What is the point of going over and over this???

Its done.
The OP was scared and a bit dramatic in her wording of the post.
The mistake has been realised.
The OP feels bad.
Steps are being taken to find/rectify the problem.
Its up to her who instructs her and we haven't heard the instructor's opinion, we are just going off a hysterical rant in the first post..
 
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Agree with some others about instructor perhaps being a little over the top, but hey, we all make mistakes sometimes and none of us was there to see what actually happened.
My horse was also VERY reactive the first time he was clipped out, still is a bit even after years of doing it, its really to be expected especially if its cold/windy. Just regard it as a lesson learned for yourself and perhaps be a bit more attentive to any possible causes of bad behaviour if it happens again. Hope your head is ok. :)
 
Milkmaid said:
I know I said I would back out but honestly!
Quote from OP "dripping with sweat she was but totally deserved it" (can't do quotes on phone)
You need to learn a bit more about horses me thinks and how their mind works.

Or take up knitting!

Oh and FWIW, if you are telling the truth your instructor is not excellent. She is dangerous & negligent!
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It's possible that her dealing with ruined racehorses has influenced how she reacts. I've seen the same attitude from so called experienced horse people. All misbehaviour gets treated by adding a gadget or punishment.
OP...Try reading Philippe karls book.. Twisted truth of Modern Dressage. It may help with some of your issues and may also make you question the use of the EquiAmi.
 
If the horse was fresh and being cheeky, I see no issue with it getting a smack from the instructor and worked hard to get the freshness out so I'm not going to hang the OP for her first post, especially as I didn't see first hand what happened.

Next time, if she seems fresh and extra alert when you are on the floor, I'd give her a spin or two on the lunge before getting on to get the twinkle out of her toes.
 
millitiger said:
If the horse was fresh and being cheeky, I see no issue with it getting a smack from the instructor and worked hard to get the freshness out so I'm not going to hang the OP for her first post, especially as I didn't see first hand what happened.

Next time, if she seems fresh and extra alert when you are on the floor, I'd give her a spin or two on the lunge before getting on to get the twinkle out of her toes.
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I agree I think I would have done the same in the situtation! I would have gotten back on and made the horse listen and work. Im not one for forking every excuse out from under the sun to back up what sometimes is just bad behaviour!
 
millitiger said:
If the horse was fresh and being cheeky, I see no issue with it getting a smack from the instructor and worked hard to get the freshness out so I'm not going to hang the OP for her first post, especially as I didn't see first hand what happened.

Next time, if she seems fresh and extra alert when you are on the floor, I'd give her a spin or two on the lunge before getting on to get the twinkle out of her toes.
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Constructive post and I totally agree :)
 
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Have asked TFC to pull the thread...

I may do a separate post later regarding how she is today. I am definitely getting the physio out regardless though...

And 'Trasa M' Why ? "OP...Try reading Philippe karls book.. Twisted truth of Modern Dressage. It may help with some of your issues and may also make you question the use of the EquiAmi."

I researched it heavily before buying one, but always like to hear other opinions.
 
millitiger said:
If the horse was fresh and being cheeky, I see no issue with it getting a smack from the instructor and worked hard to get the freshness out so I'm not going to hang the OP for her first post, especially as I didn't see first hand what happened.

Next time, if she seems fresh and extra alert when you are on the floor, I'd give her a spin or two on the lunge before getting on to get the twinkle out of her toes.
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and thats exactly what instructor did and suggested. The fact she stopped being silly very quickly suggested she was trying it on and being extra fresh in the wind and her new clip.

However, as I said I did think of another possible reason later and can't say enough I'm having her checked to make double sure.
 
Op, I hope your head's feeling better today, you must have had concussion, and it might have been better to let the fog in your head clear before writing this thread, as would have preventing this misunderstanding with some of these replies ;) Once written and seen, it's hard to retract what was previously said, even if you've got up this morning and realized "Why did I put it like that? What was I thinking?".
When an accident like what happened to you happens, it's just so quick, people often react before the brain tells you "Woah there!" Come on guys, surely you've had moments where your body reacted before the brain kicks in? We're all guilty of it.
Edited to add, Megibo, this is genuine concern for you, not me taking the michael XX
 
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