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the cheapest place to buy one please...looked on Ebay but it seems to be that there's loads of bids, I'd rather just buy one but not sure where to look, tack shop (big one) near me doesn't seem to stock them :confused:
 
This is only my opinion, and I'm not getting into a slanging match about it, but, why do you need one of these? It really is a horrid peice of kit, a rope head collar is far better.
 
They just twist over the face unless you have it done up ridiculously tight. I also would look at other options.
 
Depends what you'll be using it for- I bought one full price from the intelligent horsemanship website, used it 6 times to help get a very difficult horse to load then sold it for same money on e-bay. It was great for what I needed it for but I also found it twisted round and not sure what more I'd have really done with it that I couldnt do anyway with my old leather lunging cavesson.
 
In terms of gettin a 'cheap' one sorry can't help.

But would like to say I actually really rate them for leading unruly horses, or for loading issues.

To stop it twisting round a. make sure you buy the right size and b. it needs to be put on tighter than a normal headcollar, this then prevents the twisting.
 
I only saw one when I moved to this place 2 years ago. I asked person why a rope(not chain) over the nose wasn't an alternative. Got a long winded spiel. In short, apparently you can ride in the dullay as well. Yeah as if that was gonna happen. Also she went on and on about after making a correction how it needed to be released.

Again this dually halter is basically the same as the tried and true method using a rope or a wrapped chain over a nose. One is sold by a NH guru so must be so much better. One can be fashioned as soon as needed by an experienced person yet is no good. But if you want followers you need gimmicks.

Terri
 
I disagree :-)

The dually is made of very thick soft rope unlike most of the rope halters I have seen and certainly unlike a chain.

So while it uses the same pressure/release it is a lot kinder. The nose rope is also split into two, spreading the pressure.

It is also extremely well made, even the brass fittings are really good quality brass unlike anything else with brass fittings I have bought in the past decade (which is how long I have had the Dually) NB this isnt an eBay looky likey it is the proper one from Intelligent Horsemanship, wouldnt like to speak for the copies.

Even if I was just using it as a normal headcollar for a decade to date of use and still looks like new it has been better value than standard headcollars I have bought.

I dont like gimmicks and cant bear Parelli et al but I dont think IH is in the same boat in terms of expensive merchandise selling.

Very useful for difficult loaders and also leading out riggy gelding to the fields safely and happily.

I would far rather use it than a chain or thin rope job.
 
I have one, and I don't buy gimmicks - came in very useful with a monster youngster who knew his size and his strength - actually not sure what I would have done without it!! You need to have them correctly fitted and then they don't swivel around the face!
 
Maxwell rope halter for me, (much cheaper models available). Two short training sessions with big yearling and hey presto, I have a mannerly, out of my space, easy in gateways etc baby.

No force or strength needed, no pain to the horse and one size fits all. The pony colt was like flying a kite on the way to his paddock, with the halter on he is Mr. Perfect.

It is essential you learn how to use it properly and fully understand the pressure and release method.
 
Ok, if you are an experienced horseman I can see it being of use. Not for me personally, but I'm hardly an authority on everything.

I love my rope halters and the leather ones. But hey if it works, good enough. I just saw so many problems with the dually in the wrong hands. Maybe hers doesn't fit. But she did buy from the trained MR's person so a fail on her part.

Terri
 
Well I make my own out of yachting rope. You do need to know how to use them properly.
I tend to ride in mine as well.
Too many are too heavy handed and never achieve any sort of softness, sad really.
 
I bought a dually last year after battling with my 4 year old who planted on the ramp then jumped up and down before going half in/out and generally messing about. It stopped her in 5 mins, a coupe of hops on the ramp and she realised it was easier to go forward. She now leads in and out like a pro. Still can't load on my own as she won't stay in on her own for me to put the ramp up.....anyone got any tips how to over come this???

They are very well made and I know if I put mine on Ebay I would probably get most my money back as you never see them going cheap.
 
Pale Rider said:
Well I make my own out of yachting rope. You do need to know how to use them properly.
I tend to ride in mine as well.
Too many are too heavy handed and never achieve any sort of softness, sad really.
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Spot on! I make mine too. It's not how much force you use but how good you are at getting the timing right. Do it right and the horse feels its in charge while you are still in control -- if that makes sense!
 
Dotty1, its like Dry Rot says its in the timing. If she won't stay in, and you cannot load alone, she hadn't learnt what you want properly. With the Dually when are you releasing pressure, very half step or step, or are you taking her all the way in in one go.
You should be releasing at every try, then when she is in you ask her to come out before its her idea.
I sometimes train them to go in backwards first, but you cannot do that with a Dually.
Never shut her in until she goes in willingly and comes out when you ask.
 
If it's twisting you may not have it fitted correctly or using it too severely.

This rope halters are fine but be aware they exert a lot of pressure on the poll and nose if used to pull or the horse pulls.

Lots of ground work exercizes on leading etc. will help teach the horse what you expect. Agree timing of the release is the important bit. Release on the smallest thought of the horse to comply and build with lots of rewards.
 
Pale Rider said:
This is only my opinion, and I'm not getting into a slanging match about it, but, why do you need one of these? It really is a horrid peice of kit, a rope head collar is far better.
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Here we go again, this simply isn't true. I use a rope halter to good effect with my fine WBx, with my big ID it had no effect whatsoever, whereas the dually has allowed us to develop a much easier relationship and it barely comes into play at all now, I could load him backwards with it if I needed. I think it's unfair of you to keep giving a false impression of this halter. :(
 
The Dually worked so well with Ned. He used to rear if we used a rope halter, he hated it.
I think each horse is individual, a Dually may not work with one horse, but works wonders with the next.
 
xxMozlarxx said:
Here we go again, this simply isn't true. I use a rope halter to good effect with my fine WBx, with my big ID it had no effect whatsoever, whereas the dually has allowed us to develop a much easier relationship and it barely comes into play at all now, I could load him backwards with it if I needed. I think it's unfair of you to keep giving a false impression of this halter. :(
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Agree with this.

I can move my lad backwards very easily in this head collar. Up a ramp, through poles, under low branches. Izzy was incredibly bargy when I got him and I used the dually to do lots of groundwork and longlining. It worked wonders, but then I had learnt to use it correctly.

Obviously it needs to fit, be put on correctly and used properly. Like any other piece of equipment.
 
Thanks, I'm using it in conjunction with my instructor so certainly won't be mis-using it, for ground work for a youngster, as a training aid. Its better to establish ground rules now, rather than let youngster become strong and bolshy and then have to whack a strong bit in their mouth. Each to their own, I've been impressed with the one I've borrowed, and found it easier to use: certainly you could use a leadrope around the nose, my instructor suggested this in the short term, but it's more cumbersome.
 
Hi
What size are you looking for? I have one am happy to sell, not sure off top of my head what size it is but it fits a 15.2hh TB. Has hardly been used.
 
I rate this piece of kit the highest I would rate anything. The key thing about it is that it should be fitted snugly, and the point of the rope nseband is that, yes, it does tighten when pressure is needed but that it automatically releases to reward a horse that is 'choosing' to move forwards, or backwards when required.
I would never use a chain across a horses nose, or ordinary rope for that matter as they don't release so if you have a difficult one that pulls against you when they stops the rope/chain is still tight and this actually creates more issues.

I broke in a 17hander using one of these and he was even good to ride. he is very bold now jumping and every time he thinks he might just be about to take over he goes back to having his dually headcollar, or for riding XC a myler combination bit which works on exactly the same principle, applying pressure when needed but releasing when not.

Dare I say it but those of you who find it twists round have not got the headcollar fitted properly at all.
 
PaleRider, she loads easily, without the dually now, but as soon as I go to leave her she starts to back out. I always unload her forwards as I don't want her getting the habit of going out backwards. She just won't stay still...she is an awkward moo though. Its just going to take a lot of patience and practice I think.

She will stand ok for someone else to put the ramp up if I hold her.
 
dotty1 said:
PaleRider, she loads easily, without the dually now, but as soon as I go to leave her she starts to back out. I always unload her forwards as I don't want her getting the habit of going out backwards. She just won't stay still...she is an awkward moo though. Its just going to take a lot of patience and practice I think.

She will stand ok for someone else to put the ramp up if I hold her.
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Perhaps teaching her to 'stand' when you move away from her away from the trailer might help. Start small, standing with you first then moving a step away and increase slowly with lots of reward again.
 
Pale Rider said:
This is only my opinion, and I'm not getting into a slanging match about it, but, why do you need one of these? It really is a horrid peice of kit, a rope head collar is far better.
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:D How right you are, I wouldn't have one on the yard even, think people only buy them for the hype of name behind it, and not really look to see how it actually works :eek:
 
neelie OAP said:
:D How right you are, I wouldn't have one on the yard even, think people only buy them for the hype of name behind it, and not really look to see how it actually works :eek:
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Tbh, I couldn't care less what 'name' is attached to it, as long as it helps me with my horse. I wouldn't buy anything based on reputation, without investigating it for myself first :) Each to their own though, we all have our own opinions
 
lachlanandmarcus said:
I disagree :-)

The dually is made of very thick soft rope unlike most of the rope halters I have seen and certainly unlike a chain.

So while it uses the same pressure/release it is a lot kinder. The nose rope is also split into two, spreading the pressure.

It is also extremely well made, even the brass fittings are really good quality brass unlike anything else with brass fittings I have bought in the past decade (which is how long I have had the Dually) NB this isnt an eBay looky likey it is the proper one from Intelligent Horsemanship, wouldnt like to speak for the copies.

Even if I was just using it as a normal headcollar for a decade to date of use and still looks like new it has been better value than standard headcollars I have bought.

I dont like gimmicks and cant bear Parelli et al but I dont think IH is in the same boat in terms of expensive merchandise selling.

Very useful for difficult loaders and also leading out riggy gelding to the fields safely and happily.

I would far rather use it than a chain or thin rope job.
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Ah yes I think you must have one of those old origanal ones, they are now made from the nylon head collar material stuff !
 
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