DWKC/KC Registration/EBD Pups

[SaddlePsych'D]

Hi folks

My friend is in process of looking for an English bulldog pup and sent me the ad for the pups they are going to see. For full disclosure, I'm not a fan of the breed. No problem with the dogs themselves, I'm sure they are lovely, but seeing noses looking inverted under skin flaps rather than 'just' flat and the ones with their legs so far apart I feel worried for their health. I know no breed is without problems, maybe I am unfairly biased.

Anyway the ad they sent mentions DWKC (Dog World Kennel Club) registration for the dam and that the pups will also be registered. States sire is KC registered. From the brief look up I've done it seems anyone can register any dog with DWKC. I know KC registration is not perfect but would this/should this be a red flag at all? Or at least what would one registration over the other offer my friend, if anything?

I don't want to diminish their joy at all and I'm so happy they are excited but equally don't want to see them heartbroken down the line if things not all as they seem/should be. Navigating all this was part of our decision not to go puppy for our first dog. It seems a bit of a minefield! It's up to my friend what they do and what matters to them in the end but I thought I could at least find out and suggest they ask some more questions before going for it.

 

[CorvusCorax]

It's not an FCI or breed club recognised/approved registry and appears to exist to enable the breeding of off-colours/non-approved colours, deliberately breeding for which unfortunately can often be associated with health problems in a lot of breeds.
KC is not perfect but there are rules concerning overbreeding, breeding close relatives, breeding animals which are too old/too young etc.
In my breed, there are clubs which are not under the FCI umbrella, but are recognised by the original founding club of the breed, so are allowed to continue existing/registering dogs/breeding/holding events, and went to court to prove the right to do so.

A precedent has been set in law, that one 'dog club/registry' or business can not tell another one what to do or impinge on their activities. However the onus is on the buyer to ensure that the registry their dog is on is 'legit' and is acting in the best interest of the breed, and not is just a guy or gal in a house with a laser printer, laminator and some fancy stationery. The most important thing for a breed registry for any pedigree animal to have is a DNA database (that's actually a requirement in EU legislation) and access to a health testing system.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Interesting, I was reading about merle and the problems associated with this as an example. I quite like the idea of a sort of official family tree for cross breeds so people can trace their dog's history. I'm not clear why this breeder has gone DWKC instead of KC for the pups my friend is interested in, less restrictions than KC as you say but wondering which ones might have been dodged in this case. Or maybe just cheaper/easier to do?

 

[CorvusCorax]

Crossbred or purebred, without DNA/proof of parentage/all tied to microchips, a 'family tree' or pedigree is just a list of names written on a piece of paper with no guarantee those dogs are the ones people say they are, IMO.

You can find out more here:
https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/ab...lub-codes/registration-rules-and-regulations/

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Thank you I will have a read.

I've got an uneasy feeling about it tbh but it's up to them in the end. I just hope it's me being over cautious.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Hmmmm based on the website I'd nope the hell out of that, but that's just me....

There are dogs under 12 months old being advertised at stud, one for the princely sum of £1200.

Oh and based on the pictures, I never want to hear again 'Its the Kennel Club/dog show people creating deformed dogs'. Srsly.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Me too I think. The ad gives impression of breeding from a pet rather than a professional breeder and they say they are passionate about the breed, so I wonder why not go for the proper registration for the breed in that case. Could be a number of reasons I guess. My friend is planning to ask, it will be interesting to find out the answer given.

My brother's Cocker Spaniel is just about to have pups who will all be KC registered, everything done properly and thought out. I wish my friend would want one of those as they should be really lovely pups. Obviously a very different breed though so not for them which I understand.

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

I cannot understand why anyone wants a brachycephalic dog. It makes me so sad to think it can’t breathe properly and is likely to need surgery at some point. The DWKC is pointless.

 

[some show]

Was just looking at some of the puppies being advertised on the kennel club website, the nose ropes on some of them are awful

 

[satinbaze]

Some of the alternative registrations are used by puppy farmers(I don’t know about the one mentioned) they then say puppies are registered but just don’t state which organisations. A friend bought a cocker spaniel (very long story and didn’t ask my advice first) with “kennel registration “ the paper work looked very similar to KC documents. The puppy was from a puppy farm and came with kennel cough too