lexiedhb
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When i was in NYC the horses although lean, were well cared for, had nosebags, water etc
Egypt horses & horrid tourists...
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WelshRareBit
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Not a very good picture admittedly. He was lean in the sense of not a bit of extra weight on him. He was an ex amish racehorse apparently!
WelshRareBit
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Quite right, I wonder if people would label NYC horses as skinny and underfed or working horses in a differing climate?
ETA: To me 'lean' is not a bad thing...
ETA: To me 'lean' is not a bad thing...
lexiedhb
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Have to agree with you there.... we actaully went in a carriage round central park.... and chatted to the driver about how he kept his horse etc.... it only workd 6 days a week and was really cheeky, always had food and water etc.... but yes was worked quite hard and so wasnt fat!
alsxx
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Oh I'm really going to stir things up now!! I've been to Egypt twice now, both Sharm and Cairo, and will be going to Taba in May courtesty of my Mum!!
When we first went to Sharm we went out riding from the hotel, the horses were what I would call lean but healthy. If you looked at a typical British endurance horse they would have looked like that. I do have photo's but not on the digital camera unfortunatley.
When we went the second time, we stayed in both places - the hotel had horses, same description as above; they also had a shetland mare and foal in their 'zoo' - all the animals were well cared for and when we spoke to the attendants they told us how they had the vet come from Cairo twice a year. The pony however I have to say I would have liked to have seen thinner!! It was a typical fat Shettie, full woolly coat in 40 degrees heat and looked absolutely sweltering! Although i am sure some Brits would have thought it was the ideal weight....
Anyhow on to Cairo....I must confess I did see a couple of sights that were upsetting; but on the whole 95% of what I saw there I thought was reasonable conditioned horses/donkeys being treated reasonablly. I use the term resonable as i really do feel that we must consider the cultural and also economical differences. We visited the pyramids at Giza and I did not see one 'western' person in the carriages, they were all local Egyptian tourists (anyone who has been to Giza will know what I mean by this) and they were all for going fast and reckless which wasnt pleasant to see.
One driver decided to try beating his horse because it wasn't cooperating. The tourist police (which are also mounted) swiftly intervened as did a number of tourists and this guy got an absolute bollocking, the horse was taken away by a police offer and the man was left to walk, i am guessing, home. So I think in many ways progress is being made here in terms of the quality of life these animals are getting. We must bear in mind that they dont ahve acres of lush paddocks for their horses and donkeys to frolic in, but these horses know no different and we must accept this. We must also accept that there is horrific forms of cruelty in our own country and in every country on this planet, and if we want to improve things, we as tourists must not support the use of horses for tourism unless they are well cared for and should make donations to charities like Brooke. And i really do think that we must appreciate that there are differences in culture and that this counts for a lot. Lets face it, I expect if you told any Egyptian person that you kept a pet bunny rabbit they would probably think you were slightly deranged!
I'm gong to duck for cover now!
When we first went to Sharm we went out riding from the hotel, the horses were what I would call lean but healthy. If you looked at a typical British endurance horse they would have looked like that. I do have photo's but not on the digital camera unfortunatley.
When we went the second time, we stayed in both places - the hotel had horses, same description as above; they also had a shetland mare and foal in their 'zoo' - all the animals were well cared for and when we spoke to the attendants they told us how they had the vet come from Cairo twice a year. The pony however I have to say I would have liked to have seen thinner!! It was a typical fat Shettie, full woolly coat in 40 degrees heat and looked absolutely sweltering! Although i am sure some Brits would have thought it was the ideal weight....
Anyhow on to Cairo....I must confess I did see a couple of sights that were upsetting; but on the whole 95% of what I saw there I thought was reasonable conditioned horses/donkeys being treated reasonablly. I use the term resonable as i really do feel that we must consider the cultural and also economical differences. We visited the pyramids at Giza and I did not see one 'western' person in the carriages, they were all local Egyptian tourists (anyone who has been to Giza will know what I mean by this) and they were all for going fast and reckless which wasnt pleasant to see.
One driver decided to try beating his horse because it wasn't cooperating. The tourist police (which are also mounted) swiftly intervened as did a number of tourists and this guy got an absolute bollocking, the horse was taken away by a police offer and the man was left to walk, i am guessing, home. So I think in many ways progress is being made here in terms of the quality of life these animals are getting. We must bear in mind that they dont ahve acres of lush paddocks for their horses and donkeys to frolic in, but these horses know no different and we must accept this. We must also accept that there is horrific forms of cruelty in our own country and in every country on this planet, and if we want to improve things, we as tourists must not support the use of horses for tourism unless they are well cared for and should make donations to charities like Brooke. And i really do think that we must appreciate that there are differences in culture and that this counts for a lot. Lets face it, I expect if you told any Egyptian person that you kept a pet bunny rabbit they would probably think you were slightly deranged!
I'm gong to duck for cover now!
lexiedhb
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Alsxx...... im really glad not all the horses in egypt are treated badl, and that they seem to have some sort of policing system.... good post!
AmyMay
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alsxx, I think your post is very balanced. Thank you.
amandaco2
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gnerally people arent so thick as to think an animal with a load of bones sticking out,rubs/wounds on the body from tack/hobbles is healthy.either they dont care or they turn a blind eye 'because its what happends abroad'
how are charities suppose to improve things when tourists wont help them by choosing the healthier animals
it makes more sense for the families to have healthier animals-they can work for longer.horses and donkeys cost alot of money abroad but its generally down to ignorance.
charities like happa are so good,alot of uk vets go abroad to help out.its about getting them to help themselves rather than just pure cahrity.
how are charities suppose to improve things when tourists wont help them by choosing the healthier animals
it makes more sense for the families to have healthier animals-they can work for longer.horses and donkeys cost alot of money abroad but its generally down to ignorance.
charities like happa are so good,alot of uk vets go abroad to help out.its about getting them to help themselves rather than just pure cahrity.
lexiedhb
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I never said that they were.... however i would imagine joe publid would struggle to tell a horse who was just a bit underweight etc.
As I said above I think its all about wether they put money into the horse they have and make it last longer... OR dont and so just buy a new one... and no I wouldnt of thought they were expensive at all...
Totally agree with the charity side of things, and education, but its difficult when culturally they dont see horses in the same way that we do!
As I said above I think its all about wether they put money into the horse they have and make it last longer... OR dont and so just buy a new one... and no I wouldnt of thought they were expensive at all...
Totally agree with the charity side of things, and education, but its difficult when culturally they dont see horses in the same way that we do!
Fairynuff
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You certainly dont need to go to Egypt to see these things. Come to sunny Italy and youll see more or less the same things.Try Rome where the carriage horses look like hat racks and a good% are dog lame. They trot round Rome in 40 degrees, 90% humidity and when they cant give anymore they go to the slaughterhouse. A lot of the treking centres here buy plugs from the meatman, use them all summer, feeding them as little as poss etc (some have been known to have had a saddle on 24/24 for the whole summer period) and at the end of the season they are butchered. The whole cycle starts up again the following season.
We are talking about civilised Italy which is part of Europe, not some poor or third world country!
If you come to Italy, please, stay away from horses, dont fill their pockets at the expense of the animal. M.
We are talking about civilised Italy which is part of Europe, not some poor or third world country!