EIA...IT JUST GETS BETTER!!!
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Nailed
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Makes me laugh.. have you read the article on Defra site? sounds like the Belgium horse hasn't even been tested yet.
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The horse that originated in Belgium is due to be tested shortly.
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It also sounds like the two carriers haven't been culled yet!
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and the two infected horses will be humanely destroyed in line with existing regulations.
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Will be destroyed?!
Lou x
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The horse that originated in Belgium is due to be tested shortly.
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It also sounds like the two carriers haven't been culled yet!
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and the two infected horses will be humanely destroyed in line with existing regulations.
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Will be destroyed?!
Lou x
brighteyes
Pooh-Bah
You mean you are surprised? They'll have been panicking for a few days and not letting on!
Every man for himself now.
Every man for himself now.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
actually that article answers a few more questions re why these horses were tested ........... its done at random ffs!
and well done on WHW questioning the practices I hope BHS follows
oofadoofa
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Jesus, random testing?! It gets worse!!!!
CracklinRosie
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Why oh why does it always have to take a near catastrophy before people will listen.
INAG have been warning people about this for a year now!
INAG have been warning people about this for a year now!
GinaB
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Makes me laugh.. have you read the article on Defra site? sounds like the Belgium horse hasn't even been tested yet.
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The horse that originated in Belgium is due to be tested shortly.
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It also sounds like the two carriers haven't been culled yet!
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and the two infected horses will be humanely destroyed in line with existing regulations.
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Will be destroyed?!
Lou x
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I believe the two found to have EIA have both been euthanised, it was in another thread.
Makes me laugh.. have you read the article on Defra site? sounds like the Belgium horse hasn't even been tested yet.
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The horse that originated in Belgium is due to be tested shortly.
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It also sounds like the two carriers haven't been culled yet!
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and the two infected horses will be humanely destroyed in line with existing regulations.
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Will be destroyed?!
Lou x
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I believe the two found to have EIA have both been euthanised, it was in another thread.
barbaraNcolin
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I thought the defra site states that horses from romania have to be tested before they leave (let-alone randomly once here)? Or have I missed it somewhere that they came via somewhere else?
Nailed
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I thought that two Gina.. But that article confused me? 'WILL BE' im not panicking yet.. Im more angry than anything else.
Lou x
Lou x
wysiwyg
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I thought the defra site states that horses from romania have to be tested before they leave (let-alone randomly once here)? Or have I missed it somewhere that they came via somewhere else?
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if their original destination is a slaughterhouse, then no they dont.
These have been taken out of the meat-chain, brought here by a low end dealer to make a fast buck.
I thought the defra site states that horses from romania have to be tested before they leave (let-alone randomly once here)? Or have I missed it somewhere that they came via somewhere else?
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if their original destination is a slaughterhouse, then no they dont.
These have been taken out of the meat-chain, brought here by a low end dealer to make a fast buck.
ladyt25
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I guess maybe they are working on the basis these horse came into the country already infected and, due to the time of year biting insects are not an immediate threat?
Maybe that or maybe just because they will no doubt have some red tape etc to sort before horses can be euthanased.
Poor bloody horses in my mind - the poor things have been transported all over, land in the UK and their fate ends up being what it was probably intended for in the first place - it has just been dragged out.
I hope the dealer involved is dealt with and prevented from dealing in future and I hope any horses they have sold/moved on since the import are tracked down!
My other worry though is, what about other imports Defra haven't been made aware of that may be anywhere in the UK and carrying this disease?!
Is that quite likely or not?
Maybe that or maybe just because they will no doubt have some red tape etc to sort before horses can be euthanased.
Poor bloody horses in my mind - the poor things have been transported all over, land in the UK and their fate ends up being what it was probably intended for in the first place - it has just been dragged out.
I hope the dealer involved is dealt with and prevented from dealing in future and I hope any horses they have sold/moved on since the import are tracked down!
My other worry though is, what about other imports Defra haven't been made aware of that may be anywhere in the UK and carrying this disease?!
Is that quite likely or not?
wysiwyg
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Very likely if they are with the dealer i think they are.
He's Pond-Life.
He's Pond-Life.
Patches
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I hope the dealer involved is dealt with and prevented from dealing in future and I hope any horses they have sold/moved on since the import are tracked down!
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I guess I'm being dumb, but what exactly has the dealer done wrong, per se?
Surely it's not illegal to import them into this country, even if we believe there's a moral case to answer?
I hope the dealer involved is dealt with and prevented from dealing in future and I hope any horses they have sold/moved on since the import are tracked down!
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I guess I'm being dumb, but what exactly has the dealer done wrong, per se?
Surely it's not illegal to import them into this country, even if we believe there's a moral case to answer?
Nailed
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I was thinking just the same Patches.. what had the dealer done wrong.. sorry but the problem lies with DEFRA and lax importation medical checks! The dealer, so fair do's he's imported some horses from Romania (for all we know they may be competition horses.. its not been ruled out!)
They should have been Coggins tested on arrival.. remaining in quarintine, bearing in mind where they have come from.
Lou x
They should have been Coggins tested on arrival.. remaining in quarintine, bearing in mind where they have come from.
Lou x
wysiwyg
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I was thinking just the same Patches.. what had the dealer done wrong.. sorry but the problem lies with DEFRA and lax importation medical checks! The dealer, so fair do's he's imported some horses from Romania (for all we know they may be competition horses.. its not been ruled out!)
They should have been Coggins tested on arrival.. remaining in quarintine, bearing in mind where they have come from.
Lou x
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Definitely not comp. horses, racehorses or breeding stock.
I was thinking just the same Patches.. what had the dealer done wrong.. sorry but the problem lies with DEFRA and lax importation medical checks! The dealer, so fair do's he's imported some horses from Romania (for all we know they may be competition horses.. its not been ruled out!)
They should have been Coggins tested on arrival.. remaining in quarintine, bearing in mind where they have come from.
Lou x
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Definitely not comp. horses, racehorses or breeding stock.
Nailed
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actually.. they were written up as breeding stock....
Lou x
Lou x
wysiwyg
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actually.. they were written up as breeding stock....
Lou x
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not according to HHO news above...
The EIA was picked up after routine post-import testing of horses from Romania and Belgium. They arrived in the UK on 22 December.
The horses are not competition or racehorses, or breeding animals and Romania is one of the largest exporters of horses for slaughter in Europe.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/294020.html
actually.. they were written up as breeding stock....
Lou x
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not according to HHO news above...
The EIA was picked up after routine post-import testing of horses from Romania and Belgium. They arrived in the UK on 22 December.
The horses are not competition or racehorses, or breeding animals and Romania is one of the largest exporters of horses for slaughter in Europe.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/294020.html
Nailed
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I am going to apologise for my last post.. Because i cant find the article that said they were written up as breeding stock.
So sorry about that one.
Lou x
So sorry about that one.
Lou x
Patches
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Maybe not, but we have oodles of "common" horses ferried over from Ireland every year.....maybe similar standard to the Vanner horses you see as youngstock?
I'm not saying he was importing fab youngstock, but he was carrying out a legal import. It's Defra that should make the import of horses from EIA endemic countries illegal. If he didn't have the correct paperwork to travel them, he'd have been stopped.
I'm not saying he was importing fab youngstock, but he was carrying out a legal import. It's Defra that should make the import of horses from EIA endemic countries illegal. If he didn't have the correct paperwork to travel them, he'd have been stopped.
Nailed
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found it.. according to Horse and hound
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The horses were certified as having entered the UK for "breeding purposes" but that has been found not to be the case.
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So sorry again as they were not found to be for breeding.. they were still written up as breeding stock.
Lou x
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The horses were certified as having entered the UK for "breeding purposes" but that has been found not to be the case.
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So sorry again as they were not found to be for breeding.. they were still written up as breeding stock.
Lou x
brighteyes
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Patches, Ireland is the back-door route in and out of UK for all manner of 'suspect' goods. It has long-since worried me, this well-known 'loophole'.
ladyt25
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Yes I know not 'technically' the dealres fault but I just think if they were a reputable dealer (it appears they are likely not to be) importing from that particular area then they should have ensured the tests were carried out/had been carried out.
If they regularly ship im horses I am sure they are aware of the risks from disease and how devastating this could potentially be?
Sure the real buck lies with the legislation in the first place or lack of it but I think this dealer bears some responsibility.
The again as stated with the Ireland loophole - 'dodgy' dealings are going on all the times seemingly!
If they regularly ship im horses I am sure they are aware of the risks from disease and how devastating this could potentially be?
Sure the real buck lies with the legislation in the first place or lack of it but I think this dealer bears some responsibility.
The again as stated with the Ireland loophole - 'dodgy' dealings are going on all the times seemingly!
Tankey
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. If he didn't have the correct paperwork to travel them, he'd have been stopped.
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I can go to Romania and get myself a horse that is destined for slaughter very cheaply, take it to France and get a passport for it, it can then travel to the UK as under the TPA agreement, my romanian EIA horse has the correct paperwork and doesnt need testing for EIA.....
. If he didn't have the correct paperwork to travel them, he'd have been stopped.
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I can go to Romania and get myself a horse that is destined for slaughter very cheaply, take it to France and get a passport for it, it can then travel to the UK as under the TPA agreement, my romanian EIA horse has the correct paperwork and doesnt need testing for EIA.....
TinselRider
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I think we need a group on facebook getting people to petition/ write to DEFRA, the more coverage we get "hopefully" we will get some good attention if you get what I mean
Aru
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Patches, Ireland is the back-door route in and out of UK for all manner of 'suspect' goods. It has long-since worried me, this well-known 'loophole'.
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Really?
we say the same about the North,Britain...and France of course cant trust those dodgy frogmen
<<please dont eat me its a tongue in cheek comment about yet another complete generalisation on Dodgy Ireland>>
on a more serious note.
id like to point out that Ireland is also an Island nation and we have a similar disease status to the UK.
We are part of the Tripartite agreement so yes we can export and import freely to the Uk and france.
BUT we do have strict rules very very similar to Britains when it comes to importing horses from other countrys outside of the tripatide agreement.
We have already had cases of EIA here and not only did we eradicate the disease we also didnt manage to send it over to ye at all.....
our equine industry(and agriculture on that note) are very important to our ecomomy(struggling at the moment though it is) we have controls in place to protect them and we follow the same EU protocalls as the UK when it comes to disease control.....
So while we have a proportion of less than perfect dealers operating in this country and no doubt have some suspect goods on the move...most countrys have an issue with this not just Ireland!
the worry about actual disease control isnt entirely justified......it works in both directions...we are always wondering when a disease that hits the UK will reach here....
Patches, Ireland is the back-door route in and out of UK for all manner of 'suspect' goods. It has long-since worried me, this well-known 'loophole'.
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Really?
we say the same about the North,Britain...and France of course cant trust those dodgy frogmen
<<please dont eat me its a tongue in cheek comment about yet another complete generalisation on Dodgy Ireland>>
on a more serious note.
id like to point out that Ireland is also an Island nation and we have a similar disease status to the UK.
We are part of the Tripartite agreement so yes we can export and import freely to the Uk and france.
BUT we do have strict rules very very similar to Britains when it comes to importing horses from other countrys outside of the tripatide agreement.
We have already had cases of EIA here and not only did we eradicate the disease we also didnt manage to send it over to ye at all.....
our equine industry(and agriculture on that note) are very important to our ecomomy(struggling at the moment though it is) we have controls in place to protect them and we follow the same EU protocalls as the UK when it comes to disease control.....
So while we have a proportion of less than perfect dealers operating in this country and no doubt have some suspect goods on the move...most countrys have an issue with this not just Ireland!
the worry about actual disease control isnt entirely justified......it works in both directions...we are always wondering when a disease that hits the UK will reach here....
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
What Aru said....
Ermintrude51
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Blimey I had no idea it was such a shambles, its dreadfully worrying.
And the poor horses....
And the poor horses....
Meg2
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Well said Aru!
PapaFrita
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You know, I'm utterly astounded at the inefficiency demonstrated by Defra (or whoever is organising the taking of bloods and testing). WHY are they awaiting tests? How long does it take to draw blood and send to lab?? Even in Argentina where people are notorious rule-benders and chronically inefficient, we do NOT screw around with EIA and it takes less than 48 hours to get results from a test. I personally don't recall (someone did tell me once) the correct procedure for a yard where a horse was found to be EIA positive, but it DOES involve weekly testing for a certain amount of time for remaining horses to be definitely diagnosed.
When I brought PF out here, they told me that I had to have a Coggins test done in the UK, even though I later found out it wasn't necessary as there WAS no EIA. They told me in no uncertain terms that she would be tested on arrival during her quarantine (I think this was 3 weeks) and would be PTS if she tested positive. If Argentina can get their act together, why can't the UK? This seems scarily like a head-in-the-sand reaction.
When I brought PF out here, they told me that I had to have a Coggins test done in the UK, even though I later found out it wasn't necessary as there WAS no EIA. They told me in no uncertain terms that she would be tested on arrival during her quarantine (I think this was 3 weeks) and would be PTS if she tested positive. If Argentina can get their act together, why can't the UK? This seems scarily like a head-in-the-sand reaction.