embryo transfer

[classic_astra]

ok so this is likely to cost too much or not be worth it but i must admit the thought has crossed my mind!
my mare is 14 now (homebred) and i would love a foal from her. i had her mum for 17 years, and the foal (hypothetical one!) would be for me to keep as my next forever horse. now, i dont want to risk her having one herself, as shes precious, BUT toying with the idea of putting her egg in another mare to carry.

has anyone done this? how much is it likely to cost? what is involved? my vets do packages for odds and sods to do with AI but doesnt tell me much in regards to tranfers, other mares etc.

also for fun, what stallion would you suggest? mare is 14.2 (at most with shoes) warmblood x welsh cob. grandsire is Paddox by Olympic ferro, and dam unknown breeding. would like an all rounder, mainly focused on showjumping, not too fine, anything over 15.2 so first thoughts are chacco blue (im dreaming!!) its the business, chilli morning or cornet oblensky. or possibly corrindon dancer (i.d)

thoughts? if any?

 

[Tiddlypom]

Twemlows will do it for you, but it will cost you all of your arms and legs several times over.

 

[ihatework]

Twemlows, Equibreed, Beaufort all good big ET units and will quote you.

I’d probably allow 5k excl stud fee as your benchmark, and hope you get some change out of it.

You are getting on a bit in the season to be starting, so you need to get on with it this season.

However with your rather random selection of stallion potentials I’d suggest you do a bit more sire research and go next year.

 

[TheMule]

I've done a couple of ETs. Use an expert- you need to send the mare away to a stud with vets who do this every day. You need to factor in the acquisition of a recip mare and keeping her for at least 18 months. The aim is to synch the donor mare with the recipient so they are at the same place in their cycle- this is the reason people often try to have more than 1 recip mare because it doesn’t always work out how you want! You can usually hire a recip mare so the ET centre will pick the one that’s best matched- it's quite a costly to hire the mare, but can save lots of vet fees trying to synch one recip. I did it both times with just 1 super easy and fertile recip and she took firs5 time both goes- I got lucky!
Then you have the normal AI fees, flush, and transfer cost if all is good.
I agree with IHW that your stallion selection is quite random and none would seem suitable really for producing an amateur friendly jumper

 

[classic_astra]

Twemlows, Equibreed, Beaufort all good big ET units and will quote you.

I’d probably allow 5k excl stud fee as your benchmark, and hope you get some change out of it.

You are getting on a bit in the season to be starting, so you need to get on with it this season.

However with your rather random selection of stallion potentials I’d suggest you do a bit more sire research and go next year.

ill have to have a look at whats closest to kent. thats not as bad as i thought. it wouldnt be this year, maybe next year or 2026. as i said ive only just begun the thought process.
also it wasnt a random selection, im saying i like the look of them, and was a small selection of the type of stallion id be looking to use. i have lots of options doing embryo transfer compared to a standard breeding so good to keep options open. so obviously i will be doing more research as wouldnt just put her to the first thing that took my fancy.

 

[classic_astra]

I've done a couple of ETs. Use an expert- you need to send the mare away to a stud with vets who do this every day. You need to factor in the acquisition of a recip mare and keeping her for at least 18 months. The aim is to synch the donor mare with the recipient so they are at the same place in their cycle- this is the reason people often try to have more than 1 recip mare because it doesn’t always work out how you want! You can usually hire a recip mare so the ET centre will pick the one that’s best matched- it's quite a costly to hire the mare, but can save lots of vet fees trying to synch one recip. I did it both times with just 1 super easy and fertile recip and she took firs5 time both goes- I got lucky!
Then you have the normal AI fees, flush, and transfer cost if all is good.
I agree with IHW that your stallion selection is quite random and none would seem suitable really for producing an amateur friendly jumper

thank you, it all sounds pretty complex, which i guess is best left to the professionals. do you think 6k is a reasonable budget? mare has a pretty decent jump for a little one, and would be nice to have something that will take me round bigger tracks than she can, so looking to do 1m, 1.10 BS and possibly some BE aswell. but a good brain is handy and she has a super temperment.

 

[Xmasha]

Ive never done ET, but am aware its rather expensive. But i get the need to breed from a favourite mare, so as long as you have deep pockets then go for it. From my understanding its better to just hire a mare from the likes of Twemlows for reasons stated by TM.

For amateur friendly stallions have a look at Cos me is black. Id stay away from pure ID as you may get too much bone coming through

 

[TheMule]

ill have to have a look at whats closest to kent. thats not as bad as i thought. it wouldnt be this year, maybe next year or 2026. as i said ive only just begun the thought process.
also it wasnt a random selection, im saying i like the look of them, and was a small selection of the type of stallion id be looking to use. i have lots of options doing embryo transfer compared to a standard breeding so good to keep options open. so obviously i will be doing more research as wouldnt just put her to the first thing that took my fancy.

In Kent you have Sussex Equine Vets nearby who have several ET specialists fairly nearby, they did both of mine. The first was done at Brendon Stud as I used one of their stallions (they’re worth a visit if you want a jumping stallion, Shirley is very honest about what would suit) My second was done at Cranbrook Stud who were amazing. You could also look at the Breen stallions as there are several there that might suit.
I would narrow down the type you want to produce and what you therefore need to add into the mare to achieve that. For example, I wanted a very typey small, pingy SJ stallion to shorten my mare up and add a bit of power off the floor and to guarantee it could jump.
Out of your list, Cornet Obolenskys are not easy rides as quite fussy in the mouth/ tricky so I would only use a stallion son/ descendant (my friend used Chrysler Key very successfully) Chacco Blue is frozen only and I would never use frozen for ET as already reduced chance of success. It’s the Business is long dead, and if there's any frozen then the above applies, plus it will have been frozen when we weren’t as good at freezing. Chilli Morning is only available frozen and it's very poor quality. You could look at a stallion son, there are a few around, all quite different types (Just Chilin being the most successful currently, Pencos Arctic King could be an interesting one to look at) Corrindon Dancer is heavy set ID and I wouldn’t have thought he'd make you a jumper unless put on a TB mare

 

[Xmasha]

Weve a mare by Corrindon Dancer, shes absolutely wonderful. Kind , easy and gorgeous. But absolutely not a jumper. More a show cob type.

 

[Tiddlypom]

The Twemlows fee for hiring a recipient mare is this. But presumably that doesn’t include any keep fees, they must come on top? As some breeders would want to have the recipient mare at their place.

• ET Recipient Loan Mare Hire: £2220 (+ VAT) for 18 months (or until foal is weaned)

 

[ihatework]

Personally, for the type of mare and mixed breeding, I'd be leaning towards a good tb that stamps the stock with correct conformation and will have sufficient jump for your theoretical 1.10m. You would need to do sufficient research on offspring ride/trainability. I don't think you need to go mega expensive and flash as you may run the risk of getting a horse that is too much for amateur.

If you are wanting more sj/warmblood lines then one stallion I like very much that is under-sold and uk based is Silvester WG - I think he would be a good choice for an amateur performance horse.

SILVESTER WG Stud the home of Silvester, his son Carthago Chicago & their award-winning progeny.We aim to give you not only a superb choice of stallion for your mare -

WG Stud the home of Silvester, his son Carthago Chicago & their award-winning progeny.We aim to give you not only a superb choice of stallion for your mare, but also offer help and advice while going through the exciting breeding process.

www.wgstud.co.uk

 

[classic_astra]

In Kent you have Sussex Equine Vets nearby who have several ET specialists fairly nearby, they did both of mine. The first was done at Brendon Stud as I used one of their stallions (they’re worth a visit if you want a jumping stallion, Shirley is very honest about what would suit) My second was done at Cranbrook Stud who were amazing. You could also look at the Breen stallions as there are several there that might suit.
I would narrow down the type you want to produce and what you therefore need to add into the mare to achieve that. For example, I wanted a very typey small, pingy SJ stallion to shorten my mare up and add a bit of power off the floor and to guarantee it could jump.
Out of your list, Cornet Obolenskys are not easy rides as quite fussy in the mouth/ tricky so I would only use a stallion son/ descendant (my friend used Chrysler Key very successfully) Chacco Blue is frozen only and I would never use frozen for ET as already reduced chance of success. It’s the Business is long dead, and if there's any frozen then the above applies, plus it will have been frozen when we weren’t as good at freezing. Chilli Morning is only available frozen and it's very poor quality. You could look at a stallion son, there are a few around, all quite different types (Just Chilin being the most successful currently, Pencos Arctic King could be an interesting one to look at) Corrindon Dancer is heavy set ID and I wouldn’t have thought he'd make you a jumper unless put on a TB mare

thank you this is very helpful! i really like Cohinoor after doing more looking today. i do love a grey! id like something bigger, compact and good tempermant. i see what your saying about frozen, i didnt know that so thats good to remember. Chacco blue 2, is a nice one. i would like a decent jumper as more chance of getting something that will let me progress, and if i manage over what i expect then great, but if not its not the end of the world! i have a year or 2 to think all this over and see if its worth it, ie waiting 4 years to back it etc. not too keen on a full tb if im honest, but wouldnt 100% rule it out!

 

[classic_astra]

Weve a mare by Corrindon Dancer, shes absolutely wonderful. Kind , easy and gorgeous. But absolutely not a jumper. More a show cob type.

this is why i like asking as you always find someone who has something by something!

The Twemlows fee for hiring a recipient mare is this. But presumably that doesn’t include any keep fees, they must come on top? As some breeders would want to have the recipient mare at their place.

• ET Recipient Loan Mare Hire: £2220 (+ VAT) for 18 months (or until foal is weaned)

thank you ,i also wondered this. id imagine there would be fees on top for keep but not sure!

 

[TheMule]

thank you this is very helpful! i really like Cohinoor after doing more looking today. i do love a grey! id like something bigger, compact and good tempermant. i see what your saying about frozen, i didnt know that so thats good to remember. Chacco blue 2, is a nice one. i would like a decent jumper as more chance of getting something that will let me progress, and if i manage over what i expect then great, but if not its not the end of the world! i have a year or 2 to think all this over and see if its worth it, ie waiting 4 years to back it etc. not too keen on a full tb if im honest, but wouldnt 100% rule it out!

Colmar might be worth a look https://breenequestrian.com/product/colmar/
Just down the road from you, has Cornet Oblensky in the right place and has a really good reputation for making nice babies

 

[classic_astra]

Colmar might be worth a look https://breenequestrian.com/product/colmar/
Just down the road from you, has Cornet Oblensky in the right place and has a really good reputation for making nice babies

ooo thank you, i like him very very much! ill do some more research on him i think!