Emperor - Stag Shot Dead

I might have missed it in the article but was his head missing? I presume it was as there'd be no point in shooting him otherwise. I guess the head has to be prepared for mounting so there will be people who know about it other than the hunter unless he can prepare it himself.
According to Naturenet the stag season is August 1st to April 30th so no illlegal shooting at this time of year. Doesn't make it right though.
 
No not illegal - as I said, I'm genuinly shocked that there is no 'season' or at least the rutting season isn't part of it if there is.
 
I saw this on TV this morning. I too thought there was a season for shooting (although i don't agree with it anyway season or not) so I think this is disgusting. He was a licenced hunter as well I believe. I assume the stag was not ill or anything - certainly doesn't appear to look unwell if the pictures shown are of the actual stag shot. I don't understand the mentality of 'trophy hunters' anyway to be honest, I will never understand why people get pleasure from killing anything in the name of 'sport'. Not my idea of fun/sport thanks.
 
itsmylife said:
Sad people who kill for fun. Its disgusting. To destroy a lovely creature like that just to hang his head on the wall, pathetic.
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I agree, that has brought a tear to my eye. I remember when I saw 'The Queen' with Helen Mirren. Same thoughts there tbh.
 
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I really don't understand why deer are hunted. Foxes i can see the point as they do kill livestock but what exactly is it that deer do to warrant them being shot? Poor thing. I think if i walked into somebodys house and they had a stags head on the wall i'd walk straight out again!
 
I think culling is a neccessity when you have a large population of deer, and often culling an older deer saves it from a slow death from starvation. However, from what I understand this fella was not anywhere near being in that category so I can only say it is an utter disgrace. Nothing can just be left in peace if there is money to be made from it. RIP Emperor
 
As much as i dont like it, deer need to be culled! They have no natural predators and breed like mad!!

I started working last year at a farm that keeps deer, and feel very very privaliged i get to see them up so close, even the stag comes up hoping you have food :D
But i swear there must nearly be double as many as when i started in there now :eek:
 
skint1 said:
I think culling is a neccessity when you have a large population of deer, and often culling an older deer saves it from a slow death from starvation. However, from what I understand this fella was not anywhere near being in that category so I can only say it is an utter disgrace. Nothing can just be left in peace if there is money to be made from it. RIP Emperor
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I agree with this. We have real problems with deer around here, and I fully support culling them. However I was brought up to respect animals, even/especially those you hunted, and there is something very callous IMO about killing such a large (healthy? I presume) stag, especially since he was a bit of a celebrity.

Maybe that's me being soft, and a stag is a stag, but there are limits IMO.
 
I understand culling but this was done for a trophy kill. Hope the idiot at the end of the gun is proud of himself cos very few others in the UK are. Disgraceful that someone was allowed to murder such a fabulous creature. :mad:
 
To me, it kind of symbolises a lot that is wrong with the things our modern society chooses to value, I can't quite explain it...gawd I sound old and grumpy and probably ill informed
 
montyforever said:
I know, i just think its a bit wrong, because hes a "famous" deer people will care. If it was just a normal stag nobody would know/care :o
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Yes but he was huuuge. :D Its not like he went on Big Brother and was famous that way. ;)

Like that fish (carp?) that was maaassive, and loads of people caught it and were rightly proud, but always put it back... people were angry when it was killed. Although I think that was poisoning or something.
 
It seems wrong to kill a healthy stag, they certainly do need to be culled, take the weak or injured or the unthrifty ones though.

We had a white stag near us some years back, it was a well known local secret, and it was wonderful to see him, I even have a few photos, which show that he was a mature animal. A local website put up 'come and stalk the white deer stag' - he's not been seen since, I expect he was another trophy. We just have plain fallow and roe now.
 
Tinkerbee said:
Yes but he was huuuge. :D Its not like he went on Big Brother and was famous that way. ;)

Like that fish (carp?) that was maaassive, and loads of people caught it and were rightly proud, but always put it back... people were angry when it was killed. Although I think that was poisoning or something.
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Lol! :D

Day 6 in the BB house, the big stag is eating grass .. again :)

I agree there was no need, but im sure hundreds of healthy stags are killed every year but no big fuss about it :confused:
 
montyforever said:
I know, i just think its a bit wrong, because hes a "famous" deer people will care. If it was just a normal stag nobody would know/care :o
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But is he no less worth than a magnificent Bull Elephant - again killed for just a trophy because of his size and length of tusk?

It's not the killing that is wrong - but the reason. And if his death highlights a sensless slaughter, then so be it.

And he was famous because he was alleged to be the biggest wild mammal in the UK.

He wasn't part of a cull, or management of an inured animal.
 
Culling is maybe needed at times but to kill a healthy stag like that just for fun is a disgrace.
It sounds as if they didnt even use him for meat but just took his head and left him. It really is pathetic and has made me very angry. There really is something very wrong with people who kill for the fun of it.
 
amymay said:
But is he no less worth than a magnificent Bull Elephant - again killed for just a trophy because of his size and length of tusk?

It's not the killing that is wrong - but the reason. And if his death highlights a sensless slaughter, then so be it.

And he was famous because he was alleged to be the biggest wild mammal in the UK.

He wasn't part of a cull, or management of an inured animal.
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Im not trying to start an arguement i agree its wrong to just be killed for no good reason! But people do like to just go out and shoot things, so its always going to happen :( Especially as its legal.

I absolutly love deer and like i put above get to see them very often on the farm very close which i love, i just dont agree that an extra big deer should be treated any different from the stag on the farm im at for example, if he was killed for a trophy nobody would care!
 
jsr said:
I understand culling but this was done for a trophy kill. Hope the idiot at the end of the gun is proud of himself cos very few others in the UK are. Disgraceful that someone was allowed to murder such a fabulous creature. :mad:
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You don't actually know that ti was done for a trophy kill that is a supposition although it is likely. The important thing with deer culling is to cull a correct ration of hinds to stags and also young and old.

The problem with too much trophy killing is that it takes out the wrong animals. If you have too few stags in their prime and too many hinds then the herd gets weekened and inbred.
 
itsmylife said:
It sounds as if they didnt even use him for meat but just took his head and left him. It really is pathetic and has made me very angry. There really is something very wrong with people who kill for the fun of it.
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i very much doube that would ever happen - the rest of the body would go for meat - esp s venision prices are good at the mo - you can't just go leaving a shot animal in the countryside!

ETA - i'm not saying it makes it 'right' btw - i shoot and have just got a rifle for stalking - i have no problem with cull shooting or taking the odd trophy if the balance is kept right as per above post - but it does seem a shame that this one was shot as he was so stunning :o
 
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posie_honey said:
i very much doube that would ever happen - the rest of the body would go for meat - esp s venision prices are good at the mo - you can't just go leaving a shot animal in the countryside!
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People make all sorts of assumptions. If you read the article they don't know who shot him or why. There's no suggestion in the news stories that a headless corpse was left.
 
Seems to me that whenever you get a wild animal somewhere thats different, bigger than normal or an unusual colour, there is always some a...hole that wants to kill it.

Whenever you meet someone with a dead animal nailed on the wall they always look a bit pervy.

Strange isn't it?
 
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