Emperor - Stag Shot Dead

Xlthlx said:
It states that the body was removed so actually the complete opposite!
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yup - quoted from the article OP posted:

A witness reported hearing two shots before seeing the stag's body near Rackenford, north Devon. The carcass was removed soon after.

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The witness who saw the stag's body said they recognised it as being the Exmoor Emperor as it was being taken away.

so where did someone get teh idea that the carcass was left to rot?! it would fetch good money at a game dealer
 
AndySpooner said:
Seems to me that whenever you get a wild animal somewhere thats different, bigger than normal or an unusual colour, there is always some a...hole that wants to kill it.

Whenever you meet someone with a dead animal nailed on the wall they always look a bit pervy.

Strange isn't it?
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My neighbor has a baboon's head on his and I must admit that it is a bit weird but he's never looked at me funny :)
 
I have a particularly good, and shootable head on an internal wall of my home, and a visiting friend stared at it for a while, then walked through the door to look at the wall from the opposite side, and then said, with a straight face, "Bloody hell, can you imagine the speed that that thing must have been doing, when he hit the wall"!!

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
I have a particularly good, and shootable head on an internal wall of my home, and a visiting friend stared at it for a while, then walked through the door to look at the wall from the opposite side, and then said, with a straight face, "Bloody hell, can you imagine the speed that that thing must have been doing, when he hit the wall"!!

Alec.
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Old one's are the best, but still funny!!
 
If the stag was indeed taken as a trophy animal then I wish someone would put a price on the head of the barsteward that took it along with the person or persons that wanted it!
 
I may have been mistaken but I thought they said on radio that he was shot by a trophy hunter and the body was left.
If this is true or not who ever shot the stag is a sorry excuse for a human being.
I hope he enjoys looking at the head on his wall, maybe it will make up for being a sad pathetic idiot.
 
I can understand the reasoning for culling deer - as they no longer have natural predators here and otherwise would rampage through the towns (slight exageration?! :p ) like the foxes do.

But, culling is supposed to take the weakest, oldest members - just speeding up the process of natural selection really. Shooting the biggest and strongest makes no sense.

What a d*ck.
 
The new reports seem to suggest the body was 'found' - certainly that's what was said on this evening's news. Otherwise, if the hunter had shot it and removed it how would anyone have known the stag had been killed? It certainly seems that the body was found, presumably minus the head.
 
ladyt25 said:
The new reports seem to suggest the body was 'found' - certainly that's what was said on this evening's news. Otherwise, if the hunter had shot it and removed it how would anyone have known the stag had been killed? It certainly seems that the body was found, presumably minus the head.
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Thats what I heard.
 
ladyt25 said:
The new reports seem to suggest the body was 'found' - certainly that's what was said on this evening's news. Otherwise, if the hunter had shot it and removed it how would anyone have known the stag had been killed? It certainly seems that the body was found, presumably minus the head.
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What it said in the paper was that someone saw the carcass which was then removed.

Have you actually read anywhere about a headless corpse?

If there was a headless corpse I would have thought that the guy would have mentioned that fact. As it is he said he could not say if it was in fact trophy hunters.

If they had been solely after it for the head and had left the body to rot that would have been highly newsworthy and I'd be very surprised if they didn't pick up on it.
 
My comment was merely stating what they said on this evening's news. I have not read a paper today no as i have been at work but when I came home and switched on the TV I saw the story about the stag and in the report they said that he was 'found' which suggests there was a body found. Whether that is true or not i do not know but that is what the report said.

Whatever the truth is i still think the shooting of this particular stag or indeed any deer as 'sport' is wrong and I will never understand the mentality of people who enjoy taking part in this type of activity. But that's a whole other post!! :-)
 
Its only a stag. It probably died quickly, presumably without too much suffering and like someone said, plenty of deer are shot every year in culls and this one is no different just because it's a good looking animal. There are far more important things going on in the world.
 
ladyt25 said:
i still think the shooting of this particular stag or indeed any deer as 'sport' is wrong and I will never understand the mentality of people who enjoy taking part in this type of activity. But that's a whole other post!! :-)
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Why don't you start a thread on this subject? I would be very keen to hear your views on land management; sporting lets/incomes; local employment; local economics; management of wild deer herds; effects of deer numbers on forestry and agriculture; deer culls; the effects of poaching on deer numbers; the role/worth of wildlife crime officers; and 'the mentality of people who enjoy taking part in this type of activity'. ;)
 
I think the whole separation of concerns between 'killing for fun' and 'pest control' and 'wildlife management' is misconstrued often one activity can have aspects of all three and needs to be judged on its merits rather than pigeonholed into one category.

Mind you if 'itsmylife' reckons hunters have small dicks then maybe she should have the last word on the matter! :D
 
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News report said he'd died when infact he'd been shot :mad: Some idiot will no doubt be bragging in the local that they shot him - numpty :(

RIP lovely lad
 
Xlthlx said:
I think the whole separation of concerns between 'killing for fun' and 'pest control' and 'wildlife management' is misconstrued often one activity can have aspects of all three and needs to be judged on its merits rather than pigeonholed into one category.

Mind you if 'itsmylife' reckons hunters have small dicks then maybe she should have the last word on the matter! :D
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I except that culling is a fact and is needed at times. killing a healthy stag just to hang his head on the wall is a disgrace.
I have found that people who kill animals for fun do it because they think it is "macho" Thats been my experince any way:) Thats my opinion, maybe you know differant:)
 
It's the 'just' that I don't agree with. Although I have said that I am against too much trophy hunting.

I don't think people should kill just for fun but if there are other valid reasons for the killing then I don't think there is anything wrong with people enjoying themselves or this being a motivation.

Also I'd rather see deer killed before they get unhealthy than afterwards because the latter would lead to more suffering and disease etc.
 
Quite right, you can never have too much trophy hunting, that would be absurd. I mean the systematic slaughter of a species for its horn, skin or head is just not cricket. What era are you living in? Exmoor aint no White Mischief. Now crawl back to your tent & clean your pith helmet, thats an order.
 
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Maybe we should bring back deerhounds. That way it would be more likely to be the weak, sick, old and injured deer that would be hunted.
I don't disagree with deerstalking - I know it brings in a lot to the local economy but I think it is a shame this grand old lad has probably been taken before his time.
 
AengusOg said:
Why don't you start a thread on this subject? I would be very keen to hear your views on land management; sporting lets/incomes; local employment; local economics; management of wild deer herds; effects of deer numbers on forestry and agriculture; deer culls; the effects of poaching on deer numbers; the role/worth of wildlife crime officers; and 'the mentality of people who enjoy taking part in this type of activity'. ;)
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Thanks for the suggestion but I do not have the energy - well, not tonight anyway! Lol

At the end of the day, if it wasn't down to man's interefence in the first place we wouldn't need to be culling anything but as a species we like to control everything don't we and that's never going to change.

I don't think the fact I don't understand the mentality of people who enjoy killing things for 'fun' or 'sport' is particularly strange. It's similar to why I don't understand how people can skin dogs alive so their coats can be used as fashion items, or torture bulls before killing them in the name of 'entertainment', or indeed abuse animals or leave them to suffer unnecessarily. It's not that alien a view I am sure.

Shooting a healthy animal just so you can put its head on your wall to say "hey look what I did" just doesn't do it for me. Shooting an old, injured or sick animal to prevent suffering? Hmm, maybe we should be responsible for that although that's not how it would be in the wild is it. The sick, old, injured would be prey for wolves, lions etc etc. Oh but that's right - we killed the wolves didn't we!!!!! ;-)
 
Another good advertisement for the sport!

And cue hunters whining in a few years time saying 'the stock isn't what it used to be'. The blame will be on airplanes, the weather or some person called Sandra wearing the wrong shoes on a Friday etc.

Guaranteed.

RIP to such a rare notable specimen. No more quality passed on but I'm sure the stuffed head will satisfy the needs of the person who sits and looks at it. And stands and looks at it. Then sits and looks at it.

Someone should have given them a camera, really.
 
snaptie said:
And cue hunters whining in a few years time saying 'the stock isn't what it used to be'. The blame will be on airplanes, the weather or some person called Sandra wearing the wrong shoes on a Friday etc.

Guaranteed.
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Well actually people have been 'whining' about this kind of thing becoming more commonplace for quite some time.

EPNA submission to the Burns Enquiry:

7.8 Management by people is essential to maintaining the herd, and traditionally a mixture of hunting and shooting has achieved this. The relationship between the deer, the hunt and those who manage the land is complex and the key to the continued success in maintaining the fine herd of red deer. Should legislation be introduced to ban hunting with hounds, it is essential that adequate arrangements are in place to ensure the continued conservation and management of the red deer herds on Exmoor. Measures will also have to be taken to address any adverse effects on the social and economic well-being of Exmoor’s rural community.

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/enpa_hunting_statement
 
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