Hi,
Shoeing restricts blood flow to the hoof capsule and though can provide instant pain relief, it slows healing and isn't best in the long run, particularly if there is rotation.
4k plus whatever is in his balancer. I don't give it because he is EMS but because he is off grass. I also feed a supplement because off grass. As mine lost sufficient weight he moved from equimins AC to spillers lite and lean.
re PPID do you have symptoms? if you look at the this is laminitis site (link in yr original post) it will give you symptoms. Before doing anything I would go through all the symptoms and see if your horse has any or lots. Some vets will trial prascend, some won't. If you have several symptoms then you could ask for a trial if not you could leave it for a while and retest. I found the ACTH test to be extremely unreliable and I think others have as well.Hi all,
The last 3-4 weeks my boy hasn’t been ‘right’. Shortness in stride and lack of forwardness. Looks uncomfortable on both hard and soft.
He is: 12 year old 13,2 cob x
Today he hwe been diagnosed with Lami and EMS today. Also classed as ‘equivocal’ for PPID. Barely any pedal none rotation shown on the x-rays which we're really glad about but still concerned.
His bloods came back: PPID - 26.3 and insulin - 15.4.
He is now on soaked weighed hay and in a small paddock which is predominately dirt. He is also on bute for 14 days.
He is currently bare foot and always has been but will be shoeing him asap.
Would love to hear your experiences with lami and EMS and getting back into ridden work. I am fully aware this could take a long time and am in no rush to do so, want him happy and healthy foremost
I had a problem with protein (PPID and most likely EMS) To get weight loss I used late cut soaked hay. Whilst it was low in sugar it was also low in protein. I tried what I had thought was ordinary hay soaked but it was too high sugar for him. OK for the others but my horse can apparently act as a hay tester (at least he saves money on testing) higher sugar and he is very difficult to lead, low sugar and he is a dope on a rope.
total total trial and error. I found it hard and I am very interested in feet, PPID and EMS and had a fair amount of background info. To someone who lands in this nightmare situation with little knowledge it must be very daunting. You were lucky to have Mark.@paddy555 it is such a trial and error isn’t it. No two are the same and it does take a bit of experimenting until you find the right combination. I’m just thankful DP is still with me after his sister was PTS due to uncontrollable EMS, laminitis and full penetration of the sole
If no grass is the solution then so be it and educating owners is the best option out there. I am very appreciative of this thread as none of us know everything so every post is a bonus.
I feed as lib (in a hay net. As much as I can shove in there and if he’s eating it all down I would add a second but it’s a huge hay net) my guy is also on a big lush pasture (we’re talking 20-30 acres) in the state of Kentucky. Think grass as rich as Ireland. (We’re moving to the UK soon. Like end of this month so that’s why I’m here) now he is in a grazing muzzle until the grass dies and I wear yellow tinted sunglasses cause I find it easier to spot the hints of green when it’s coming back alive and immediately muzzle again. My guy also gets a flake of orchard/alfalfa with his farm hay. I find the grazing muzzle makes him walk even more so it helps him move and stay comfortable. He’s also stays in full work as we caught it way before he was an actual risk for lami(he is in rehab work now cause Butt head got stuck in mud and tore his sdft. He also stayed on pasture turn out just in a half acre medic paddock) but his routine has not changed from pre EMS/Cushings diagnosis to post aside from medication. Which is just prescand and equiox as he is 22yo. He also gets adequan shots cause we give that like candy here in the states. He’s rehabbing fantastic. Heals fantastic and thinks he should be allowed to go galloping around at this point but is holding his manners lol. I would say go for feeding ad lib but if you’re concerned start off with stuffing a hay net or two for him and seeing how that goes. Then he can’t scarf it all in one sitting or risk choke from eating without chewing.
None of mine regulate to the level where they stay thin. I had a load of issues last winter where both my EMS one and the pony gorged, expanded and required a re-think.
Yes permanent thank you! He doesn’t typically get his hay soaked but when I do it’s usually in a hay net. We’re not where it’s feasible to soak it constantly. The vets aren’t worried about the tendon but it’s getting checked right before he leaves and then when he’s arrived we’re rechecking to be safe. It’s mostly med control but also staying on as much turn out as physically possible. Min 14hrs a day but I try to keep it at least 18-20 hours. With a muzzle he walks a lot so it helps him a ton with not losing condition and staying comfortable. I think it’s also helped a lot with healing. I’ve noticed it seems to be very different opinion of outcome on these injuries in the states vs the UK. The states are still pretty big on box resting but more vets are comfortable with them turning out on soft tissue injuries. Usually smaller paddocks for turn out and I think it’s more common the second they can physically manage the walk to turn out it’s Dr. green time here in the states it looks like but that might also just be the more commonly shared experiences on here and not necessarily the common experience overall.
Same here I cannot give ad-lib grazing or hay even when soaked. I feed straw and hay mixed that keeps the weight off.
Tough one breathe easy, green guard, flexible filly are all good ones to use. Green guard be mindful of how big the water trough opening is because it’s harder for smaller openings for some horses
NF also lost 11 but more worried about her PPID now