EMW Sanctuary

Alright Tiddlypom I saw it as a threat, if you wish to quibble and call it something else then so be it.

I can't be bothered. It was my opinion which as far as I know I am still allowed to make.

Why you have to be so hell bent on pulling me up all the time is a mystery. AmyMay it's a mystery why you feel the need to wade in all the time too. You two are intent on doing this to me on multiple posts over the last month. Give it a rest please.
 

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Birker2020 said:
Alright Tiddlypom I saw it as a threat, if you wish to quibble and call it something else then so be it.

I can't be bothered. It was my opinion which as far as I know I am still allowed to make.

Why you have to be so hell bent on pulling me up all the time is a mystery. AmyMay it's a mystery why you feel the need to wade in all the time too. You two are intent on doing this to me on multiple posts over the last month. Give it a rest please.
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No wading in from me. Just trying to quelle your feelings of victimisation.

But as this thread is not about you, I'll leave it there.
 
December 5th 2024.
CRISIS UPDATE
Wheels slowly turning, huge thanks to everyone still piling funds into the GoFundMe account and also in other ways, please see the header with regard to donating to this mountain we are trying to scale, if you can't donate via the GoFundMe thenplease try other mentioned options.
We are now prepped and ready for the next voice meeting with the lenders and also have the financial ombudsman information to hand withregard to the legalities. We have more information relating to our 'rights' as sitting tenants. We have also been active with regards to trying to source some kind of investment/ beneficiary/major miracle and using all platforms of social media tocontinue to get our plight out there. If we go down then it won't be for lack of trying to stop this horror happening.
Grateful thanks go everywhere this evening.
Once again I am so tired so please forgive me for signing off soon. The big storm is coming, this time the weather kind, so that has taken up a dollop of today ensuring that our residents are warm, well fed and have their shelters to use and hunker down in until this lot has gone by.
The video below was taken while in a reflective moment earlier this afternoon as I got on with the 2nd shift and know what we are in peril of losing. Today also brought the vet bill for Bertie's PTS last month, another big one to pay £419.01 so we will clear that in the next few days and on we go.
Pete collected our latest feed order today and delivered it this afternoon so we are well stocked up once again.
Tomorrow we have Farriery, I think we might need lead weights on our ankles!! Life goes on..... it has to. On a plus note , isn't it mild!
 
SantaVera said:
If the place was in his wifes name and she didn't leave a will then the husband is only entitled to a set amount not sure what that is exactly but somewhere in the region of £150000, and the rest goes to the government ,so if the estate is worth £650000 that will be why there's a debt of £500000. That needs paying. Only my take on it don't actually know if this is the scenario here.
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Sorry, decided not to post, as although I don't think this is accurate, I didn't want to derail a worthy thread. I really hope there is a way out here.
 
I hope that a professional who is really clued up on the legalities of such a situation can step in ASAP on a voluntary basis and help EMW to come out of this with the best possible outcome.

As it happens, my wonky mare’s dam came to Janet George, a long time supporter of EMW, via the charity.
 
doodle said:
How many horses do they have?
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I don't know how many but looking at their FB page it seems that some are very elderly and one is blind. I don't think it would be fair on them to try to move them. Theres a couple of creamy coloured Shetlands that look ok maybe they could be rehomed elsewhere. I counted eight photos of different animals but don't know if they have more. Maybe some could be saved if the farm is sold.maybe it's a large farm with others in fields without their photos on their FB page. They may have lots
 
December 9th, 2024.
CRISIS UPDATE.
As of now we are actively seeking premises suitable for the needs of our resident ponies within a short distance of the town of Bromyard. We require acreage ideally of 10/15 acres of pasture but will consider less. We absolutely have to have barn/stabling/shelters and hard standing such as old cattle yard would provide. Running water and electricity and storage are vital. We would be looking at a long term availability and sole usage. There is nothing else to add to this.
The situation now at the sanctuary is such that it will go on the market and that is catastrophic for the charity, for the sanctuary and for all of us who have tried so hard knowing the target we faced as just so enormous and is growing beyond all comprehension on a daily rate..
The costs of moving the sanctuary, should we find a suitable home, will be significant so we will continue to fundraise up until we have to admit complete defeat.
I reiterate once again that non of this situation is of the charity's making, we are casualities of the whole sorry mess and will have to live with what may come for the rest of our lives never imagining such an end.
 
I'm a bit confused by the latest post saying it has to be somewhere within 1-2 miles of bromyard, that's such a tiny search area to be finding what they want in.


3.47am DECEMBER 10th.
SANCTUARY RELOCATION CRISIS.
Wanted urgently.
DISTANCE /AREA Must be within 1 to 2 miles maximum distance of Bromyard town
FACILITIES Must be minimum 5/6 acres, but 10 to 15 is ideal, of grazing with option to create separate paddocks /tracking. Must have barn/stabling/ shelters or agreeance of
Mobile shelters upon site
Must have mains water and electricity.
Must have adequate storage for feed and other necessary equipment.
Must have easy access.
Must be sole usage.
 
I would imagine they're still processing the shock, and trying to come to terms with the concept of having to move at all - they've been where they are for over 2 decades I think, and this has all happened very suddenly.
 
SantaVera said:
If the place was in his wifes name and she didn't leave a will then the husband is only entitled to a set amount not sure what that is exactly but somewhere in the region of £150000, and the rest goes to the government ,so if the estate is worth £650000 that will be why there's a debt of £500000. That needs paying. Only my take on it don't actually know if this is the scenario here.
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this is incorrect.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk

Who can inherit if there's no will

Information on who can and cannot inherit if someone dies without making a will. Covers married couples, civil partners, children and other relatives.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk www.citizensadvice.org.uk
 
I've taken a look at their website www.equinemarketwatch.org.uk. It states in there that at the sanctuary there is a blind horse called conker and it's 34year old companion willow. I can understand that PTS might be the kindest thing to do for them rather than move them. However there are six more,non of them appear to have health issues and all look rehomeable to me at least temporarily until new premises can be found. Two have lived all their lives at Lodore farm but that isn't reason to shoot them rather than rehome IMO. I'm sure person could be found to take on the six,in pairs or signally on a temporary basis. What is concerning is that looking at the charities accounts and statements on gov.uk it states that this year they insitaged a put to sleep fund using part of a legacy from Janet George. This leads me to think that they may have anticipated loosing the premises and had decided some time ago that they wouldn't seek to re-home any even temporarily. I find this coincidence rather odd.
 
SantaVera said:
I've taken a look at their website www.equinemarketwatch.org.uk. It states in there that at the sanctuary there is a blind horse called conker and it's 34year old companion willow. I can understand that PTS might be the kindest thing to do for them rather than move them. However there are six more,non of them appear to have health issues and all look rehomeable to me at least temporarily until new premises can be found. Two have lived all their lives at Lodore farm but that isn't reason to shoot them rather than rehome IMO. I'm sure person could be found to take on the six,in pairs or signally on a temporary basis. What is concerning is that looking at the charities accounts and statements on gov.uk it states that this year they insitaged a put to sleep fund using part of a legacy from Janet George. This leads me to think that they may have anticipated loosing the premises and had decided some time ago that they wouldn't seek to re-home any even temporarily. I find this coincidence rather odd.
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I think it's highly unlikely they knew they were going to lose their base. When you have that many old horses, it's a fact that you'll be paying out to PTS more than most. When I owned my 5 and one was PTS, I remember saying to OH that we were looking at at least another £4k over the next few years for them all, which is exactly how it's happened, although thankfully they haven't all gone in the same year. If I were in EMW's position i'd also
rather PTS than rehome them. They will be none the wiser and their futures will be secure. It's because of people that aren't brave enough to PTS when needed that EMW even exist. They have loaned out many ponies they've rescued over the years, but always retain ownership.
 
SantaVera said:
on gov.uk it states that this year they insitaged a put to sleep fund using part of a legacy from Janet George. This leads me to think that they may have anticipated loosing the premises and had decided some time ago that they wouldn't seek to re-home any even temporarily. I find this coincidence rather odd.
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On the other hand, why wouldn't they make a PTS fund, given that they are a sanctuary (ie will keep those equines until the end of their days), it is a guaranteed thing that all the equines will need at some point, and as we all know, the costs for it are not exactly cheap.

I can imagine how awful it must be to ask for donations to cover the costs of having to say goodbye to any of the equines - makes a horrible thing even more horrible I would imagine.

There sometimes seems to be this pretence held in general that death is only an optional thing, and that it can sometimes be held off indefinitely. It's going to happen to each and every living being one day - it's the way that life is lived that's important.

Being suspicious of a PTS fund is like being suspicious of a funeral fund - sometimes people are just practical and think ahead. Doesn't mean anything untoward is afoot.
 
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meleeka said:
I think it's highly unlikely they knew they were going to lose their base. When you have that many old horses, it's a fact that you'll be paying out to PTS more than most. When I owned my 5 and one was PTS, I remember saying to OH that we were looking at at least another £4k over the next few years for them all, which is exactly how it's happened, although thankfully they haven't all gone in the same year. If I were in EMW's position i'd also
rather PTS than rehome them. They will be none the wiser and their futures will be secure. It's because of people that aren't brave enough to PTS when needed that EMW even exist. They have loaned out many ponies they've rescued over the years, but always retain ownership.
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Couldn't agree more - was writing my post as you were posting yours and have just read it!
 
PurpleSpots said:
On the other hand, why wouldn't they make a PTS fund, given that they are a sanctuary (ie will keep those equines until the end of their days), it is a guaranteed thing that all the equines will need at some point, and as we all know, the costs for it are not exactly cheap.

I can imagine how awful it must be to ask for donations to cover the costs of having to say goodbye to any of the equines - makes a horrible thing even more horrible I would imagine.

There sometimes seems to be this pretence held in general that death is only an optional thing, and that it can sometimes be held off indefinitely. It's going to happen to each and every living being one day - it's the way that life is lived that's important. Being suspicious of a PTS fund is like being suspicious of a funeral fund - sometimes people are just practical and think ahead. Doesn't mean anything untoward is afoot.
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Exactly this you have policies and funds for different requirements when running a rescue. From intakes to pts all these are governed by documented policies, procedures and funds.
 
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