Encouraging horse to stand nicely on trailer

My main mare always stomps and whinnies on the box, She used to be terrible but we just shut the box up and leave her and she soon shuts up when she knows it's not getting her any attention!
 
JFTD said:
AC, I've seen those videos before, and I'm afraid they don't allay my concerns at all. I'm sorry you can't see it.

As for "slander", I needed a laugh - thanks!
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They are not your concerns to allay so really nothing for you to worry about.

If you feel the horse still needs shooting on the strength of those videos then there is something seriously wrong with your judgement.:D
 
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applecart14 said:
They are not your concerns to allay so really nothing for you to worry about.

If you feel the horse still needs shooting on the strength of those videos then there is something seriously wrong with your judgement.:D
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Well, they are my concerns, because clearly you don't share them.

Well, that's your opinion...
 
I wasn't trying to be funny just stating that we can't even leave haynets outside lorries or trailers even if we're with the horse. I wish I had a lorry as well. I appreciate that this thread appears to have taken a "turn" I don't know anyone concerned and certainly wasn't adding to that.
 
Double_choc_lab said:
I wasn't trying to be funny just stating that we can't even leave haynets outside lorries or trailers even if we're with the horse. I wish I had a lorry as well. I appreciate that this thread appears to have taken a "turn" I don't know anyone concerned and certainly wasn't adding to that.
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I think you could call yourself 'collateral damage' here DCL...:(
 
applecart14 said:
Thankyou for your aplogy but you may as well not have bothered as what you said in the third sentence completely wiped out what you said in the second.

I wish you would stop saying 'how she treats her horse'. Its slightly slanderous and not at all fair, not an accurate reflection at all. My horse has the best of everything that I can afford, I have put myself in debt so that he can have good veterinary and physio care, and make sure he gets all taht he needs. I have worked extensively over a number of years with my vet, farrier, physio and EDT to ensure that he has the best health treatement possible, he is on an array of supplements that would rival any horse feed shop and he is loved and cared for to the very best of my ability. I never ill treat him, always treat him kindly and to say what you say is so unecessary. You have only got to look at the videos on Youtube from Oct/Nove before his current injury to see how well he was looking and how well he was moving prior to his recent injury:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJdyQQtWrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0YvouNeA0

If you think that is an illtreated horse then I am sorry but you are very mistaken and if you think he was 'in pain' then he was most definetely not, the video is testament to the fact he is swinging through his tail, ears forward and moving without hindrance in a forward rhythym.

I love my horse to bits and you saying what you say paints a really nasty picture of someone who abuses her horse and nothing could be further from the truth.
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AC, I can spot hind limb issues a mile off and rhythmical this is not!
 
applecart14 said:
Thankyou for your aplogy but you may as well not have bothered as what you said in the third sentence completely wiped out what you said in the second.

I wish you would stop saying 'how she treats her horse'. Its slightly slanderous and not at all fair, not an accurate reflection at all. My horse has the best of everything that I can afford, I have put myself in debt so that he can have good veterinary and physio care, and make sure he gets all taht he needs. I have worked extensively over a number of years with my vet, farrier, physio and EDT to ensure that he has the best health treatement possible, he is on an array of supplements that would rival any horse feed shop and he is loved and cared for to the very best of my ability. I never ill treat him, always treat him kindly and to say what you say is so unecessary. You have only got to look at the videos on Youtube from Oct/Nove before his current injury to see how well he was looking and how well he was moving prior to his recent injury:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJdyQQtWrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV0YvouNeA0

If you think that is an illtreated horse then I am sorry but you are very mistaken and if you think he was 'in pain' then he was most definetely not, the video is testament to the fact he is swinging through his tail, ears forward and moving without hindrance in a forward rhythym.

I love my horse to bits and you saying what you say paints a really nasty picture of someone who abuses her horse and nothing could be further from the truth.
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Your horse is very beautiful but i'm afraid to say he isn't sound.
 
Rafie said:
Your horse is very beautiful but i'm afraid to say he isn't sound.
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That's because the video was taken for the vet when I suspected a problem with his off hind. I have mentioned it on previous posts. It was a side effect of ethanol fusion where the top joint of the hock becomes inflamed. The vet said to put him on bute for three weeks and to get the farrier to put lateral extensions on which he did. The horse no longer places his off hind under his body, his foot placement is now correct and he is no longer lame due to this problem. As usual I always involve the vet at the first time I see anything untoward and as soon as I spotted the problem the horse was investigated and the problem sorted.

I don't have a more recent video but my point of showing the video is to prove that this is not some horse that is in agony being pushed to go around a school and to show that the horse is not being ill treated by me or anyone else.

I am not going to comment further on this post because I am wasting my breath and if I said the sky was blue someone would say it was pink and because its taking away from the OP her question which I have now attempted to answer twice in between everyones nasty comments toward smy horse. End of.
 
AC you say "other" people are argumentative yet you are using a video of a lame horse with its head cut off to try and prove it's a sound horse then you are admitting it is actually a lame horse in the video.

Is it me?
 
FfionWinnie said:
AC you say "other" people are argumentative yet you are using a video of a lame horse with its head cut off to try and prove it's a sound horse then you are admitting it is actually a lame horse in the video.

Is it me?
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His head was cut off to protect the riders identity, she is my friend who was riding him for me at the time. Yes the horse is slightly lame which was the reason the video was taken for the vet. My previous posts have gone through all this before.
 
applecart14 said:
His head was cut off to protect the riders identity, she is my friend who was riding him for me at the time. Yes the horse is slightly lame which was the reason the video was taken for the vet. My previous posts have gone through all this before.
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You posted those videos to show 'how well he was moving' prior to recent injury. It was lame before injury then...
 
Mongoose11 said:
You posted those videos to show 'how well he was moving' prior to recent injury. It was lame before injury then...
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Its permanently lame however AC wont accept that! Doesnt seem to understand lameness and pain are usually part of the same equation. Slightly lame is like being slightly pregnant its still lame!!
 
popsdosh said:
Its permanently lame however AC wont accept that! Doesnt seem to understand lameness and pain are usually part of the same equation. Slightly lame is like being slightly pregnant its still lame!!
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You never know when to give up do you? Like a bunch of sad vultures, picking off the meat.

:) My horse. You don't like it tough. You think I am going to have him shot on your say so, when the vet is happy with his progression???? The videos were taken for the vet as I explained. The videos I showed you were of him prior to me getting the vet out for his hock and he asked me to take them as it was winter and was too dark to see in the menage after work.

After he came sound from the hock problem the vet told me he was looking good on another video my partner sent on his mobile phone and that I could start jumping again. I did this, very low stuff a couple of times and he was fine. Then I was working towards a dressage competion. A couple of weeks before the competition I lunged him and he went ballistic on the lunge (has too much pent up energy) and was galloping around like a looney. In the process of galloping around he sprained his suspensory branch as his shoe had twisted before coming off, so galloping on a twisted shoe and bucking and f*arting and leaping in the air didn't help. Afterwards I poulticed for two days as a nail had gone through his sole. Nothing came out, the farrier came and put the shoe back on and I carried on riding him, not knowing that the leg was slightly tweaked. If you know anything about suspensory branch injuries you will know that it is not always evident in the first stages that there is a problem. We didn't realise that the leg has been slightly sprained after this event, and I carried on working him as he was sound. I went to the competition and after my first dressage test when he was sound (and we actually acheived 4th place out of 12) he spun violently at a barrier on the fence and that was enough to damage an already hurt leg. No great mystery. Vet saw first video horse sound. Second video horse lame.

I cannot explain anymore than I have. I have done nothing wrong, the horse will continue his rehab and I will be taking him out again and competing again although as I have already said on previous posts he may not be jumping again although the vet is confident he can go back to it as there is no reason, like he said its the equivalent of going over on your ankle.

I really don't care what anyone thinks of me, I will probably never meet you in real life and I have done nothign wrong, everythign I have ever done is with my vets backing.

If you don't like it tough. I shouldn't have to keep justifying myself, and I feel that you are all getting off on seeing me bite, it is like a sport to you.

My horse tough. I will do what I like when I like with him. He will always have the best attention like he has done for the last eleven years.
 
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applecart14 said:
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:) My horse. You don't like it tough. Sad lot. You think I am going to have him shot on your say so, when the vet is happy with his progression????

Yeah right.
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Keyboard gone lame as well :-)

I didnt say shoot him just dont make out its right to say its fine ,if it was somebody elses horse im sure you would say different. In my experience working a lame horse very rarely makes the horse sound. Did you really expect any other reaction after the PMs you sent to a few of us.
I am sorry you have spent so much money and time on him however sometimes they never come right.
 
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applecart14 said:
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:) My horse. You don't like it tough. Sad lot. You think I am going to have him shot on your say so, when the vet is happy with his progression????

Yeah right.
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I don't think I suggested you should shoot him. I was just confused because at one point you suggested we should view the videos of evidence of how well he was moving. After pointing out that he is lame, you said those videos were of him while he was injured and lame. I'm just confused.
 
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I just want to leave it all now. I am in tears writing this. I feel like I am being attacked from all sides and I have really done nothing wrong.
I love my horse to bits, he has had numerous problems which have all been rectified over the years.

The sarky comments like Popsdosh 'the keyboard gone lame as well' for example. Why so nasty all the time? I just don't get how people can get so much joy out of making others feel rotten. Saying working a lame horse rarely makes it sound - I have never worked a lame horse in my life, and I don't know where you get that from. Everytime he has been lame I have stopped riding him and got the vet out and rehabbed him on advice from the vet and physio.
 
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applecart14 said:
I just want to leave it all now. I am in tears writing this. I feel like I am being attacked from all sides and I have really done nothing wrong.
I love my horse to bits, he has had numerous problems which have all been rectified over the years.

The sarky comments like Popsdosh 'the keyboard gone lame as well' for example. Why so nasty all the time? I just don't get how people can get so much joy out of making others feel rotten. Saying working a lame horse rarely makes it sound - I have never worked a lame horse in my life, and I don't know where you get that from. Everytime he has been lame I have stopped riding him and got the vet out and rehabbed him on advice from the vet and physio.
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Hes lame on the videos and being worked ! just stating the obvious you have just contradicted yourself.

No body questions how you feel about your horse or criticises you for it!
 
popsdosh said:
Hes lame on the videos and being worked ! just stating the obvious you have just contradicted yourself.

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Popsdosh please stop trying to be clever.

As I stated twice previously but will say yet again, the video was taken for the vet to show the horse had a problem with what I suspected was his hock. I noticed he was leaving the leg behind slightly in trot so I took a video. THe vet wanted to see a video in the light so asked me to film him.

His current injury (slight sprain) happend on 31st December. The horse has been in trot work for 2 weeks and has progressed from trotting long sides, to now trotting long and short sides of the menage and is hacking out for an hour to hour and a half once a week with short uphill trots having been introduced. Three days ago trotting up the lane he saw an oily patch on the lane which startled him (tw*t) and leapt onto the verge which was very steep, and then half scrambled half leapt off that onto the tarmaced road, fortunately he remained sound, silly sod. I will be taking another video for the vet some time this week, time is not on my side as I am decorating and moving house, but I expect the vet to be very pleased with his progress and permit me to start canter work in two or three weeks time.
 
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Applecart14 do you not think it might be time for a break from this forum?
You would argue black is white if you could, yet can't take the backlash.
Shut down the computer, enjoy your lovely horse (who I don't think needs shooting btw), but do keep in mind he's fundamentally unsound so keep your work expectations of him within his limits.
 
ihatework said:
Shut down the computer, enjoy your lovely horse (who I don't think needs shooting btw),.
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I will ihatework.

I do enjoy my horse. :) :) I enjoy every minute in his company even when he is leaping onto verges to escape oil slicks :) I am not going to leave the forum as I enjoy answering questions and helping people out.

I have tried to come out of this post many times but each time someone else replies in an attempt to keep the argument going I suspect. So deep breath, no matter what anyone puts after this I will not respond to, although I can bet someone will.

I will continue to be guided by my vet and physio who is coming out later this week.
Sorry the OP never got her answers.
 
Going back to the original topic. I have a 4 yr old section A I've had turned away and not really handled for some time. She's a bit of a fiery red head with a proper chestnut temper. She doesn't particularly like standing still unless being held. This is due to lack of training on my part (as she is turned away I have others who take precedence).

Today I collected her and some others off the hill, loaded her up in the trailer and took her home. She was jumping up and down rearing and kicking hell out the trailer. Sounding more like an elephant than a small pony.

Anyway I had the vet coming so she stood on the trailer while 4 others were seen then when she was quiet I unloaded her and she was seen. I then reloaded her while another horse had its teeth done. Then I took her out when she was quiet, and did her feet. Then I walked her through the trailer four or five times as she was a little reluctant to load.

I then took her for a little trip to the shops and left her on the trailer while I had my lunch and I'm now about to take her back to the hill.

She is now standing quietly on the trailer eating her hay. What she now needs is the same lesson every day for a week or more until she behaves from the start. No point waiting til I want to take her to a show and then finding out she's a toad.

It really doesn't take much effort at all to teach them trailer manners and yes if I had an elephant that would damage my trailer rather than a section A I would hobble the so and so til it also learned to stand still but I would use the same training as I've done today while it was hobbled so it learned.
 
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