Encysted Wormer question

i gave a wormer and thought at the time odd no yuk expression, and usual slurping of mouth, so you have my sympathies around the not sure if they had the dose thing

i have tested since the horse was neg

i am currently waiting the results of a blood test for a pony, encysted r worm
 
BMA2 said:
I must admit I'm not 100% convinced with the accuracy re FEC and I do wonder have "we" tipped into the bracket of not worming enough
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I'm starting to lose confidence. I have counted for over 15 years but am now wondering.

Did FEC's yesterday and results back today. All 8 under 50. Really? The results I was expecting were one 200, one 250, one 50 and one <50 plus one with a problem.The other three should have been <50.

I should be overjoyed, my management is working. All is well now with my method of control for 3 mths until the next count. No further action needed. Carry on as usual.

Only problem is it doesn't tell me what I want to know and the reason I did it. Who is the naughty culprit with the red worms I found last week. Not that many but still there. No wiser who to worm.

I'm sure if there were no eggs in the samples they couldn't find any but neg. test results contradict what I found for one and what I expected from previous results for some of the others. .
 
Hmm, I'm now wondering too.
Due to a bit of a mix up one of our pony's tests was duplicated.
One came back very low and the other came back medium.
I think next time we test I'm going to purposely duplicate a few and see what happens.
This could have been an anomaly but it does concern me.
 
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paddy555 said:
I'm starting to lose confidence. I have counted for over 15 years but am now wondering.

Did FEC's yesterday and results back today. All 8 under 50. Really? The results I was expecting were one 200, one 250, one 50 and one <50 plus one with a problem.The other three should have been <50.

I should be overjoyed, my management is working. All is well now with my method of control for 3 mths until the next count. No further action needed. Carry on as usual.

Only problem is it doesn't tell me what I want to know and the reason I did it. Who is the naughty culprit with the red worms I found last week. Not that many but still there. No wiser who to worm.

I'm sure if there were no eggs in the samples they couldn't find any but neg. test results contradict what I found for one and what I expected from previous results for some of the others. .
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Yeah...that's how I'm starting to feel
 
meleeka said:
Me too. I had a low count and a high count from the same pony! (I’d deliberately used a different name for her in case they thought I was going mad 😂).
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Sounds like you'd taken the samples from maybe just one nugget of poo.

Ideally you'd take a bit from several nuggets or even from several separate poos. I make sure to take a bit from at least three different nuggets if from the same poo as one nugget might contain some eggs but the next one might contain fewer or none.
 
I spoke to Westgate and they said not to be worried that he is going to drop down dead due to encysted redworm because his worm counts were good. They suggested worm counting him a months time and if I really worried to give him 5 day panacur in a month's time but not to do another equest.

I found what they said about the blood test a bit hard to understand in that even though his test was high he might not have really bad encysted red worm.
 
SO1 said:
I spoke to Westgate and they said not to be worried that he is going to drop down dead due to encysted redworm because his worm counts were good. They suggested worm counting him a months time and if I really worried to give him 5 day panacur in a month's time but not to do another equest.

I found what they said about the blood test a bit hard to understand in that even though his test was high he might not have really bad encysted red worm.
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That's odd. I thought the blood test for redworm was more reliable than FEC.

I'm confused!
 
SEL said:
That's odd. I thought the blood test for redworm was more reliable than FEC.

I'm confused!
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It's not a case of more or less reliable but testing for different things.

Fec are looking for eggs in poo, but as encysted redworm are encysted in the stomach, they won't show in the poo.

Is the blood test for encysted redworm looking for antibodies like the tapeworm test?

If so maybe they are suggesting that while a positive test indicates there is some encysted the strength reaction and level of antibodies can vary from horse to horse.
 
SO1 said:
I spoke to Westgate and they said not to be worried that he is going to drop down dead due to encysted redworm because his worm counts were good. They suggested worm counting him a months time and if I really worried to give him 5 day panacur in a month's time but not to do another equest.

I found what they said about the blood test a bit hard to understand in that even though his test was high he might not have really bad encysted red worm.
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I'm totally lost. I understand blood tests and FEC's are looking for different things.

The FEC's were low
the blood test indicated encysted
you didn't give enough wormer
but now it doesn't really matter about the blood test indications?.

so worm count in a month and if it is low as usual for Bert then fine

what was their reason not to do another Equest soon after the failed worming to deal with encysted?

I would ask them to put their explanation in an e mail. I feel something or explanation must be missing.

ETA The lady from Westgate is a member on here, possibly she can shed some light on this question?



 
I had a medium FEC for roundworm in December, used Equest as recommended. Re-tested and low count.

Did another test this month (Feb) and it’s medium again. Do I use equest again or pramox this time? Confused!!
 
Bobthecob15 said:
I had a medium FEC for roundworm in December, used Equest as recommended. Re-tested and low count.

Did another test this month (Feb) and it’s medium again. Do I use equest again or pramox this time? Confused!!
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Equest Pramox has exactly the same roundworm drug in it, moxidectin. It just adds praziquantel for tapeworm.

I think you should dose with a different roundworm drug, one of the other "ectins" this time. There are a few to choose from (and they are cheaper but they don't do encysted redworm, only adult)
 
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