English Toy Terrier stud dog wanted

Hear, hear Hacking_Hack!

"STUD ONLY.

Our ETT is only young at presant but late this year (2009) onwards he will be available for stud. We have his five generation pedigree certificate and he is very healthy and up to date with all jabs/worming etc.
We are advertising early as we know of people already interested. contact us on #EDITED BY ME# or email us. The ETT is on the UK Kennel Club's list of vulnerable native breeds and great effort is being made to boost the popularity of the breed and develop a viable gene pool."


Number 1: so it is to young now but will be available later this year, not a word about will be available if he gets so or so showing/dog class/agility etc. result. (I want to add that ETT doesn't have any health checks required as I know of.)

Number 2: they have his pedigree certificate, woohoo call the press! Or wait, hm, doesn't most purebred registered dogs have a pedigree certificate? They have over here, otherwise it is considered a mongrel.

Number 3: since we're talking about a small breed with an overall small number of litters per year, if they truly already have people interested, they don't need to advertise because he can anyway not be allowed to father many litters, otherwise the risk of inbreeding in the gene pool will increase in an unhealthy way.



I'm sure you only wanted to be helpful Neversaydie, but there is things with that advert that makes me want to run in the other direction.
 
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If there are so many unwanted that dogs then why do breeders keep breeding? I have a considerable number of rescues and have already discussed the breeding of my bitch..all say she is well bred and she has won as a puppy. I am also aware that she could be spayed but why should I be deprived of the pleasure of a litter of pups? I have 30 years worth of JRTs at home, all homebred and all the dog puppies are with lifelong friends......maybe I should have stuck with them and not had the snobbiness of the pedigree world..which is extremely sad

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The type of people that keep breeding for the sheer sake of it or more commonly back street breeders , are those that don't offer back up once the cash is handed over, instead us RESCUES end up with them, and we have and always have had more pedigrees at any one time than x breeds for as for back as I remember, and we have no less then 30+ dogs at a time.
I applaud these ETT breeders for not wanting this breed to spiral out of control and be another over bred statistic and begin to over flow into rescue, I wish more breeders were like this.

Also for her sanity and psycological well being, the best u could do, which is what sounds like u want, is to neuter her to stop the phantoms.
Surely it's not the end of the world, esp if u are just planning on keeping the bitches and selling the dogs, it may be better for your bitch to spay and if u desperately want another bitch then buy one.

You say, u don't want any more unfarmiliar dogs in your pack, but what if a dog or 2 is returned to u within a year or so, they will be unfamiliar and u will have to take them in and attempt to rehome them again.
 
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If there are so many unwanted that dogs then why do breeders keep breeding? I have a considerable number of rescues and have already discussed the breeding of my bitch..all say she is well bred and she has won as a puppy. I am also aware that she could be spayed but why should I be deprived of the pleasure of a litter of pups? I have 30 years worth of JRTs at home, all homebred and all the dog puppies are with lifelong friends......maybe I should have stuck with them and not had the snobbiness of the pedigree world..which is extremely sad

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I agree that a lot of bad mares are bred from but I am talking about a well bred, prize winning bitch and am aware she could be spayed

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I can only talk from the Swedish dog show world but in general I would not say that the pedigree dog world is snobby. Another thing, over here it is easier to get a champion if you have a dog of an in numbers small breed and also a lot of judges tend to be a little more generous with the prizes in the puppy show classes.



For me a phantom pregnancy means that they really are affected by it, in a way that causes problems in my life with them and that in its turn, would make me see it as a bad fault. All my bitches, except one, only digs a little more in their beds but otherwise they're (was) as they normally are (were). One late bitch, did get milk sometimes but just a little more exercise, a little less food and it went away and her behaviour never changed either. To me that is okay, it's easily manageable and doesn't cause any problems.

Actually since I think temperament and how they are to live with matters a little (not much but a little) bit more than looks, I would actually say that I would prefer breeding from a not so prize winning bitch but without phantom pregnancies, than the other way around. I'm not saying it isn't important that it looks like an English Toy Terrier should but I rather breed something that wont win at Crufts, in this generation but that I can easily live with 24/7 at home.
 
I have taken my dogs back and they are immediately accepted as they were born here. These suds are bredding 5 llitters a year which gets them 20K!! Enough to cover any unexpected vets costs. I have bred my JRTs for 30 plus years and the boys always go to friends who already have mine..some have 6 of mine! I only breed once from a suitable bitch and have not bred from most of them as I feel they are unsuitable/too small/narrow pelvis...don't want a ceasar! So I completely understand my responsibilities . I also get fed up with the partnership you have to have with breeders. In the horseworld a partnership means paying half of all bills!! That got laughed out of the room when I mentioned to dog people!!
 
Sadly the breeder has moved abroad and I can't track her down. Her breeding is all foundation stock with many CC and as I said she was shown with success. The point is they just DON'T breed with outside bitches, however good they are...which means us poor souls can just "borrow" their pups during their lifetime and have no say in anything!
 
Well perhaps that is where you are going wrong. Responsible breeders are not bothered about money, they care about the welfare of the breed.

The content of your posts so far suggests to me that money is also a motivation for you to breed a litter - based on the fact that you refer to everything in monetary terms, e.g. how much they sell the puppies for, how much a breeder can 'make' from breeding 5 litters a year etc etc.
 
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I have taken my dogs back and they are immediately accepted as they were born here. These suds are bredding 5 llitters a year which gets them 20K!! Enough to cover any unexpected vets costs. I have bred my JRTs for 30 plus years and the boys always go to friends who already have mine..some have 6 of mine! I only breed once from a suitable bitch and have not bred from most of them as I feel they are unsuitable/too small/narrow pelvis...don't want a ceasar! So I completely understand my responsibilities . I also get fed up with the partnership you have to have with breeders. In the horseworld a partnership means paying half of all bills!! That got laughed out of the room when I mentioned to dog people!!

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I am not quite sure if you mean one particular breeder is having 5 litters a year, which on your figures of £800 a pup means 25 pups, but the total registrations last year for ETT was only 117 so that is quite a high proportion. Perhaps they are trying to establish a type, which is why they don't want to let you use their dog.
You are very lucky that dogs are immediately accepted into your pack just because they were born with you. I am afraid when people bring older dogs back to visit me and their dams the latter are usually most offensive to the strange dogs on their premises. I have also never known any breeder saying you "have to have a partnership with them". I have done it once or twice with a nice dog I have wanted to keep an interest in , but the usual agreement is that whoever the dog lives with pays costs (but gets the dog for nothing) and the partner has a share of stud fees or puppy sales, so yes it is different to horse partnership if all costs are shared, but if dog folks are happy with these terms, and they seem to be, you are unlikely to change them.
 
So Trisblu, any response to the fact that several of us think it is unfair on your bitch to keep her open if she is prone to phantom pregnancies?
In fact, do you have a response to anything I have said? The fact that YOU want the 'pleasure' of a litter of puppies?
 
You are one in a million. Every ETT kennel I have contacted expects you to pay full price and then gets you to sign a contract to state you are in partnership and are not allowed to breed from them! I am now going to close this continued dialogue as nobody has answered the question I posted...which is..does anyone know of a nice ETT stud dog that someone would be prepared to let me use on my bitch for payment.....it has gone a bit out of proportion and I don't really want to continue to discuss the pros and cons of breeding anymore! Thank you for all your information, comments and general chat.
 
No, thought not.

Actually I gave you good advice in my initial reply, as I do not know of any such animals, did you not contact the breed clubs as I advised? That should be any first-time (as in your first go with this breed) breeder's port of call if they are unsure.

I wish you every happiness with your bitch and I hope you keep in mind what is in HER best interests - not yours.


PS You can only stop people commenting if you ask for the thread to be locked or pulled. I think this has been a very interesting and civil debate.
 
hi there i have a lovely english toy terrier stud you can use he is lovely an there will no restrictions on the pups nothing like that please call chris on 01630654746 for more details many thanks
 
Do you also sell pygmy hedgehogs and hermann tortoises?
I think you should edit this and PM the OP, I wouldn't puy my phone number on an open forum.

Trisblu, if you are prepared to travel, I actually have discovered I know someone, who used to be in GSDs, has ETTs at stud.
 
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