Equi-jewel or soya oil to add condition/top line - feedback?...

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I'm looking for an additional feed to give D to really boost his top line development.

I don't really want to increase the volume of his feed, as he already gets massive feeds, and HUGE haynets of haylage

So....I was looking at Equi-jewel as a high calorie non heating feed or option B which is adding soya oil to his feed as apparently this is also high calorie non heating

has anyone used these?....and most importantly have you seen a NOTICEABLE improvement in topline as a result?....

non heating is the main key point really as he is opinionated enough without added encouragement ;)

spag bol on offer as cooked by my OH (which means it's deffo edible as I haven't had anything to do with it ;) )
 
I use equ-jewel with both of my 'speshul' horses. The old lad maintains his weight ok but just needed something to give him a little more bloom. He looks brilliant, he has kept his top line & has a real gleam to his coat. I used to feed calm & condition but with equi-jewel he is now just on a high fibre cube (cheap, own brand) with his chaff & pink powder.
The young lad is very weak looking. He is still lacking in too line but having added the equi-jewel (along with Alfa-a oil & again cheap hi-fibre cube & pink powder) we really are starting to get somewhere. Everyone comments on how fab he looks, again his coat gleams & I think there's a lot more to come :)
Most importantly both these horses have been kept sane!
I really rate Equi-jewel & do think it's worth a trial :)
 
We use Equi-jewel for Arthur and Blitz.
Found it great gives them condition without fizz. Arthur is still sharp but sane, others I tried pickled his brain.
Also i find i am not having to feed huge quantities of hard feed which was tricky before as blitz is very fussy and doesn't have a massive appetite.
Both boys look fantastic and their coats are very shiny!!!!
 
I much prefer linseed meal to soya oil
I feed linseed all year round. Very low amounts to help aran with his joints and to keep their coats in good condition.
If they are lacking I just up it - lovely stuff

Or

Triple crown top-up
Again its small amounts
Cheaper than equi-jewel
I've always had good results with it

http://www.badmintonfeeds.co.uk/products.php?id=57&cat=26

Neither 'heat-up' or increase the feed volume too much
 
I feed mine (see earlier post about a ?? change of feed) Muscle Pro, it's a rice bran supplement, but as an oil, so works out better value than Equi jewel, but still gives you the rice bran for lean muscle development, it's very good & mine likes it (& he is the worlds fussiest horse!) it's got added Vit E & Se in to allow for the additional oil levels in the diet, so you don't have to worry about feeding that on top, (anky has about 240ml/day)
 
I fed equijewel for years amd it is a great product.mi have now moved to Dodson amd Horrell build and glow as it has a higher oil content than equijewel.
 
Hi, I originally came on here asking the same question as my elderly pony was a really fussy eater and hard to keep condition on. People on the forum kindly recommended equijewell which I subsequently bought. I had excellent results with it - she ate it up (which was really unusual) It put condition on her and also made her coat really shiny.

Best of luck whatever you decide.
 
Blitz gets 1/2 of their measure jug twice a day
Arthur was on 1 mug twice a day but he has since beefed up so we have dropped him to 1/2 twice a day.
 
Someone recommended equi Jewel to me for my older boy (a dressage trainer) as being excellent to add condition... but then the horses old owner said she's tried it on him and others and it sent them loopy... guess it's worth a try tho!

PS I now use micronised linseed from Feedmark.
 
I'm a big fan of rice bran and have used it on a variety of horses over the years, including a couple that were completely cereal tolerant, and never had one fail to respond or go mad on it, although I have had a few that were low to start with clearly feel stronger on it. My "go to" favourite feed in Canada was something called "Hi Fat Hi Fibre" which I've tried to reproduce here with a forage based cube, rice bran and a vitamin mineral supplement if the horses doesn't eat enough hard feed to meet its requirements.

I'll confess, I don't really get the idea of feeding specifically for top line - isn't that like those crazy supplements in the back of magazines that promise to make you look like Mr Universe but say in tiny letters at the bottom of the page it will only work if you spend 20 hours a day exercising? ;)
 
We've used Equijewel for a very fussy, whappy DWB (vet slightly concerned that she is a candidate for ulcers as she's a stress head, but she was happy with the Equijewel to be fed); two ex-racers that needed some weight but no heat; a TBxID that is sugar intolerant (sends her completely mad!).

All the horses have done well on it :D. Feed small amounts, so none of them have got bored of it. None of them have become loopy on it. As it's fed in small amounts, it's not expensive to feed :D

Worked better for our lot than Calm and Condition, micronised linseed, and various others (Blue Chip Pro, Alpha A Oil, Bailey's No. 4, and various others).

If I need the Dizz to put on some weight and be comfortable working/building topline, i.e. when we're working much harder than we are at the moment, then we'll use the Equijewel again.

The only gripe I have with it is that it's harder to get hold of than most other feeds.
 
TarrSteps said:
I'm a big fan of rice bran and have used it on a variety of horses over the years, including a couple that were completely cereal tolerant, and never had one fail to respond or go mad on it, although I have had a few that were low to start with clearly feel stronger on it. My "go to" favourite feed in Canada was something called "Hi Fat Hi Fibre" which I've tried to reproduce here with a forage based cube, rice bran and a vitamin mineral supplement if the horses doesn't eat enough hard feed to meet its requirements.

I'll confess, I don't really get the idea of feeding specifically for top line - isn't that like those crazy supplements in the back of magazines that promise to make you look like Mr Universe but say in tiny letters at the bottom of the page it will only work if you spend 20 hours a day exercising? ;)
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It sounds promising from people's feedback, now I just have to try and find it as cheap as poss online and delivered! ;)

I guess I don't really mean 'feed for topline', it's his topline that I want to make the most improvement on, his neck is slim and long, but i do want to just generally 'super size' him all over. I feel that at 6yrs now he should be bulking up with extra muscles, and i'd like to feed him something that will help him build up. he's on alfa, conditioning cubes, sugar beet, and SO much good quality haylage but he does also burn a lot of calories of his own accord! ;) so maybe a high fat feed will help him put the muscle bulk on.... :)
 
Your other opton would be one of the muscle building supplements - I think there is one called something like Myotop or similar here? I've not used it here personally but have used a similar product in the past and have seen it used with good results.

They can send horses loopy and cause problems with protein levels, though.

Re rice bran, check out Omega Rice. It doesn't have Vit E added so you have to figure your levels a bit, but it's less expensive. It also comes in a useful bucket, although how many of those do you really need?
 
I use Omega Rice on my TB. Of she were human she would be a marathon runner - long and lean. Although she was never thin she never really carried any bulk, even when well fed and well schooled. The Omega Rice has made a difference and all without heating her up. She is also shiny and fast more able to work harder for longer. I ran out of it once and swapped her onto linseed like my other 2 get and she definitely lost bulk so she went straight back on it. I'm planning to put the new boy on it when he gets back from his holidays just to help him out. I'd definitely recommend it and its cheaper than Equijewel where we are. I feed 2 mugs a day and a 10kg tub lasts me a month.
 
I have used Equijewel at home and at work. At home it was for a feed intolerant Welsh D x TB who couldn't tolerate any form of hard feed or Alfa A without being a total idiot. I was advised by Saracen that I could use up to 4 cups a day on top of his usual ration of balancer and hifi. For him it helped him have stamina as he was so buzzy, he'd rapidly run out of energy.
At work we use it for producing TB foals and yearlings for the sales. With the yearlings we start at one cup and can go up to four cups for those that are weak. It makes a massive difference to their condition and we wouldn't do without it. One thing I can recommend is that TopKoat, which is also a Saracen product is a cheaper and not too much different in make up.
As for it making horses loopy, if it was going to make anything loopy T would have reacted to it but he didn't. Incidently when I was working for a big TB pretraining/rehab place, they used a product called Megajewel and this was like equine rocket fuel.
 
Haven't used equijewel on an in work horse but when my old horse lost over a quarter of his body weight when seriously ill, was advised to try equijewel and that along with the other feed and good hay helped him back into show condition for the following year.
 
I was speaking with my vets this week and they were very pro Eqitop myoplast and have seen some very positive results with some of the performance horses they have on their books.
 
Equijewel is a fantastic feed for weight gain and several of my clients have used it, incl one who bought a very old mare back that they used to own which had been subjected to cruelty and as they got her back as a hat rack at the end of Aug, we had no idea if she would survive the winter. She was fed ad lib hay, alfa oil, baileys conditioning cubes and equijewel 3 times a day and come March had to CUT her feed because she looked pregnant!! (she had never been a great doer when they owned her before) She now just gets it as a top up when her weight drops and it works every time.

Fantastic feed
 
I've used Equijewel in the past and it is amazing! It is expensive but it lasts for ages. I used it for my late mare when she dropped off when she was ill. She had a coffee mug full in each of her two feeds per day.

She could also be hypersensitive with feed, Baileys no4 turned her into devil woman!! However she was quiet as anything on the equijewel. My friend also used it on her ex polo pony with no adverse effects and her horse looked very well! Her polo pony would winter out on Alfa A and equijewel and look amazing, in the summer she fed it with just plain chaff and her mare only needed one mug a day to maintain her condition.

I used to feed it with a heaped stubbs scoop of alfa a oil and speedie beet.

If J ever needed a bit more condition I would def consider equijewel, there really was no reason why I would not want to use it :).

To mix things up a bit though iv'e also heard good things about omega rice from falcon feeds and it is a bit cheaper than equijewel. I've never used it myself though :).
 
Rice bran is pretty much rice bran, the difference between Omega Rice and similar and Equijewel is the addition of Vitamin E.

The other option might be the Copra meal feeds, also oil based. Or a Soya oil product, although I've heard some reports about sensitive horses reacting to the soya so I'd probably not risk it since I feel I can get the same result with a known quantity.
 
I've always fed Baileys Outshine to my TB to bulk her up a bit but I did swap to EquiJewel last year as I changed her completely over to Saracen feeds. Despite being a very fussy eater she ate it willingly & whilst she didn't lose any bulk on it she definately lost some shine.

Without googling it all again now I'm guessing Outshine may have a higher oil content that EquiJewel hence the loss of bloom, however if you just want it for condition then they both seem to work equally as well for mine & the price is much the same.

She has always been reasonably underdeveloped & I have also tried Equitop Myoplast on my instructors advice. I used 2 tubs but saw no difference at all.
 
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