Equine Crisis UK

Actually, I think it's really patronising and naive to suggest that it's a case of illiterate, ill-educated people who don't know any better and who just need to be shown the right path by us, their betters....

Sure in some cases. But I doubt those who work in the racing industry, pouring out unsaleable TBs, the pony breeders who don't manage their herds in line with demand, and the hobby breeders who put their temperamentally unrideable mare to their friend's congenitally lame stallion, would consider themselves ill-educated and illiterate.
 
LinzyD said:
Actually, I think it's really patronising and naive to suggest that it's a case of illiterate, ill-educated people who don't know any better and who just need to be shown the right path by us, their betters....

Sure in some cases. But I doubt those who work in the racing industry, pouring out unsaleable TBs, the pony breeders who don't manage their herds in line with demand, and the hobby breeders who put their temperamentally unrideable mare to their friend's congenitally lame stallion, would consider themselves ill-educated and illiterate.
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If you look on the rspca page right this moment you'll see pretty much everything is a small unbroken cob. Yes the racing industry does turn out a lot of horses but the sound one's are desirable - they are already rideable to a degree and they can go on to be good horses. The one thing I do agree is that pony breeding, especially on the moorlands etc needs to be managed better. And often hobby breeders breeding from their own mare breed a foal to keep as there is no money to be made at all that way.
 
LinzyD said:
Education is part of a multi-part solution, Cobgoblin. Education alone won't work any more than any one of the suggestions people have put forward. Our society is the product of over two thousand years of 'education' and at least a century of the impact of Victorian philanthropy and dissemination of education, and yet here we are with child abuse allegations in the headlines, terrorist threats in public places, and murder in our streets. No-one is a greater advocate of education than me - it's my life - but it's a long drawn process and can only succeed with an openness to be educated, and even then there are some who will remain beyond reach. It's always the case that those who benefit most from any form of education are those who are best able to access it, and those who need it the most remain unreachable. Yes, education has its place, but sadly it's not the whole solution.
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Force doesn't work either....if it did our prisons would be empty. Even the death penalty doesn't stop murder.
You simply cannot MAKE people behave the way you want. Nor do we have a massive enforcement body to even carry out such events as a mass cull...the foot and mouth episode was disgusting carnage. How do you think non horsey people would view this?
As for the cost...you actually want to put more onto law abiding horse owners? Perhaps a license to keep a horse? It would have to be quite an expensive license in order to be worth collecting. I can't see the government paying, they are already stuck for money...charities wouldn't dare to be involved....so to pay for what would would essentially be a new law enforcement agency in perpetuity I would reckon about £500 a horse per year...perhaps more...which would cause another horse crisis and less horses being kept by private owners or they would be kept without licenses. This in turn would necessitate the fee being increased year on year...and it wouldn't solve the problem but it would cause a lot of resentment. There was enough resentment when horse passports came in.

There is no magic or instant solution, the best you can hope for is to modify behaviour over time. There are already laws in place to deal with cruelty, and the new laws on fly grazing may well prove to be effective.
Education, mobile castration clinics and cheaper carcass disposal would reap long term benefits.

As for horsemeat....well I think think the British might take a bit of convincing on that one. If we were going to take a liking to horsemeat we've had a long time to do it, even the French are consuming less now....and of course there is the spectre of the live export business.
 
LinzyD said:
Actually, I think it's really patronising and naive to suggest that it's a case of illiterate, ill-educated people who don't know any better and who just need to be shown the right path by us, their betters....

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I think you absolutely know that that was not intended as a patronising comment!
 
tristar said:
i was talking to rescue people about this and of course education is a huge part of helping the horses i suggested, but illiteracy is no reason or excuse for starving animals, indeed a friend of mine cannot read and takes wonderful care of his animals, and he is a first time horse owner, i`m thinking of buying a violin for when the next pathetic excuse comes up so i can play a sad tune.

what kind of tests are undertaken before breeding from the better cobs? radio protocol? genetic disorders? are they tested for performance in any way? are they vetted before bred from? too many questions are unanswered.

back to the culture thing, those horses are left tethered, most of them 24 7, barely able to move, years ago when travellers had horses they moved from place to place the horses had long periods of of excersize

it is a fundamental right of horses under eu law to have freedom of movement
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No test have to be undertaken but thats not confined to travellers either. Nor should they have to ! Who has the right to tell anybody which animals can breed and which cant the last person to advocate that caused a world war.
I personally have never seen Travellers breed from mares that have issues they just breed to many for the market as it is as I say top end breeders breed just as much rubbish that should be disposed of however the traditional end has been taken away so some sell on animals that should have had a bullet in its head in the first place.
 
D66 said:
this ^^^^^
The laws we already have should be enforced, but a single passporting agency would help.
If you can breed a foal for free and fly-graze it for free, the £10 you might get for it at auction is profit.

Horse shows should also have random chip/passport checks.
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What about the £30 it will cost them to passport the £10 foal its actually a £20 lose. I dont know of any auction that will accept horses without passports now as they would be closed down.
 
someone i know bought a gypsy cob stallion and ran it with their mare the result was several blind foals, a tragedy by any standards, quite possible it could have been detected by a vet examination

my names not hitler, but i did take the trouble to ensure that my stallion is free from inherited disorders as far as is possible, including xrays, vet examination for soundness, licencing, a period of prolonged work under saddle, not breeding before 6 years old and only using graded breeding mares, and a dark night of soulsearching and honest appraisal as to whether he was really the one, not just good enough, but extraordinary, he is now 15 and has fulfilled not only my hard approach to breeding, but also my dreams and ambitions on the performance front.

what i`m getting at is the tests and precautions are there for anyone to avail themselves of before breeding

most breed societies ensure as far as possible that they register progeny from pre examined stock, which is very different to telling people which horse to breed from
 
I picked up on this thread due due to its heading as I have just posted this below on a another thread called AHAR Revelations which has a lot of postings over a considerable amount of time. AHAR Animal Heaven Animal Rescue is a rescue in Kerry, ROI who for many years exported hundreds of rescue dogs to the UK for many years until early 2015 illegally in other words not compliant with the Balai Directive. In recent times they have found a market for exporting equines including donkeys to the UK usually acquired through payment for them at horse fairs or via the 'meat man' come dealer. They then ask for people to adopt them asking for transport costs to the UK. This is becomming quite regular as you can see by todays post and expected to increase, due I guess, to the willingness of the UK public to adopt a rescue horse unseen. Just wondered what your thoughts are on this which is adding to the problem as your heading states, Equine Crisis UK. Here is what they wrote:- Animal Heaven Animal Rescue
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Glin horse fair Co. Limerick is the final fair of the year and its on this Saturday.
Thanks to your adoptions yes we can now do the last fair of the year. We will have space.
17 equines leaving tomorrow for the UK.
More equines leaving for Irish homes next week.
Also we are planning the Northern England and Scottish equine trip.
13 dogs leaving AHAR on Saturday to Irish homes.
28 dogs leaving for the UK.
Our re homing is a massive success.
As its the last fair this year we are expecting the worst but lets hope we are wrong.
Tonight we are going to start the fundraising and we'll do what we can on the day, like always.
If you would like to support this mission and help us take animals from the fair. Just follow our pay pal link to donate.
I'll be glad when they are over, even if its only for a while. But then the dumping starts so Im not sure which is the lesser of two evils.
 
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Speaking to some breeders locally and a few elsewhere disposal of low value/no value equines comes into it again and again. Several unpassported, unchipped equines have turned up in peoples fields recently. Ours included. Any mares tend to be offered countless homes, geldings too. Colts never. We've been lumbered with three riding pony type colts which nobody wants. One turned out to be chipped to a deceased owner and is a sweet little soul. The other were feral, they're now sort of handled but are impossible to rehome. To chip, passport and castrate will be around the £240 mark. Judging by the prices at beeston the other day they'd make between 10 - 50 in the sale ring.
 
tristar said:
someone i know bought a gypsy cob stallion and ran it with their mare the result was several blind foals, a tragedy by any standards, quite possible it could have been detected by a vet examination

my names not hitler, but i did take the trouble to ensure that my stallion is free from inherited disorders as far as is possible, including xrays, vet examination for soundness, licencing, a period of prolonged work under saddle, not breeding before 6 years old and only using graded breeding mares, and a dark night of soulsearching and honest appraisal as to whether he was really the one, not just good enough, but extraordinary, he is now 15 and has fulfilled not only my hard approach to breeding, but also my dreams and ambitions on the performance front.

what i`m getting at is the tests and precautions are there for anyone to avail themselves of before breeding

most breed societies ensure as far as possible that they register progeny from pre examined stock, which is very different to telling people which horse to breed from
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Yes we all know the tests are there and indeed most avail themselves of them. However in my experience it is rare to find travellers horses suffering with congenital abnormalities. I do however see a lot of top end bred mares of sport horse and TB breeding who are bred from by the muppets who bought them even though they had issues and just because they supposedly have great breeding.We see it all the time mainly in the breeding forums . A badly conformed and defective mare is exactly that whatever the breeding! There needs to be a way out for those that makes sense us breeders who are not morally corrupt take it upon ourselves to make sure we dont let inferior stock out onto the market however some are not so conscientious and will do anything to make a buck you would be shocked that some of the top studs with well known prefixes actually dump some of their dross out through dealers but you can bet your life they wont have the prefix! The last Melton sales had four 3yos from a very well respected sport horse stud ,they averaged about £200 each but thats £400 better than culling them so it helps the bottom line.
 
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cobgoblin said:
Force doesn't work either....if it did our prisons would be empty. Even the death penalty doesn't stop murder.
You simply cannot MAKE people behave the way you want. Nor do we have a massive enforcement body to even carry out such events as a mass cull...the foot and mouth episode was disgusting carnage. How do you think non horsey people would view this?
As for the cost...you actually want to put more onto law abiding horse owners? Perhaps a license to keep a horse? It would have to be quite an expensive license in order to be worth collecting. I can't see the government paying, they are already stuck for money...charities wouldn't dare to be involved....so to pay for what would would essentially be a new law enforcement agency in perpetuity I would reckon about £500 a horse per year...perhaps more...which would cause another horse crisis and less horses being kept by private owners or they would be kept without licenses. This in turn would necessitate the fee being increased year on year...and it wouldn't solve the problem but it would cause a lot of resentment. There was enough resentment when horse passports came in.

There is no magic or instant solution, the best you can hope for is to modify behaviour over time. There are already laws in place to deal with cruelty, and the new laws on fly grazing may well prove to be effective.
Education, mobile castration clinics and cheaper carcass disposal would reap long term benefits.

As for horsemeat....well I think think the British might take a bit of convincing on that one. If we were going to take a liking to horsemeat we've had a long time to do it, even the French are consuming less now....and of course there is the spectre of the live export business.
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"Education, mobile castration clinics and cheaper carcass disposal would reap long term benefits."
YES, absolutely. Those three things alone, on a nationwide basis would be a fantastic step forwards.

It's not about force, it's about multiple strands of action to tackle a complex, but containable problem. When I referred to 'meat' I didn't mean for human consumption in the local butchers; I was thinking more of pet-food, zoos, and the like. I'm a vegetarian and abhor the consumption of meat, but I abhor animal cruelty more. And the argument that increased control also penalises the innocent, is like arguing that we shouldn't have laws to make society a better place because that infringes on the personal freedoms of those who live in a civilised way anyway. I'm not saying that any of what I suggest is actually doable in a country where we cannot provide for our old people, provide free health care for all when needed etc; I know we don't have the resources to do it. I am saying that this is what it would take and I personally feel it's not enough to let things improve slowly over time with better education. I also think that expecting to buy, keep, and have our horses without paying more for passports/licences/whatever to contribute to improvements in welfare for the sake of all horses is a bit contrary. I think as horse-owners and horse-lovers most of us would be happy to pay a little more if it were genuinely for the greater good, and if we don't want to, well no-one is forcing us to own a horse. After all we all pay our taxes for the greater good - for the education and welfare of other people's children, other people less fortunate than ourselves, and other people who are plain lazy - and we have absolutely no choice about that. My view is that if you want a horse, you pay in various ways - be it taxation, licencing, whatever you want to call it - for the greater good of all horses so that resources can be generated to implement improvements... including education programmes.
 
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LinzyD said:
"Education, mobile castration clinics and cheaper carcass disposal would reap long term benefits."
YES, absolutely. Those three things alone, on a nationwide basis would be a fantastic step forwards.

It's not about force, it's about multiple strands of action to tackle a complex, but containable problem. When I referred to 'meat' I didn't mean for human consumption in the local butchers; I was thinking more of pet-food, zoos, and the like. I'm a vegetarian and abhor the consumption of meat, but I abhor animal cruelty more. And the argument that increased control also penalises the innocent, is like arguing that we shouldn't have laws to make society a better place because that infringes on the personal freedoms of those who live in a civilised way anyway. I'm not saying that any of what I suggest is actually doable in a country where we cannot provide for our old people, provide free health care for all when needed etc; I know we don't have the resources to do it. I am saying that this is what it would take and I personally feel it's not enough to let things improve slowly over time with better education. I also think that expecting to buy, keep, and have our horses without paying more for passports/licences/whatever to contribute to improvements in welfare for the sake of all horses is a bit contrary. I think as horse-owners and horse-lovers most of us would be happy to pay a little more if it were genuinely for the greater good, and if we don't want to, well no-one is forcing us to own a horse. After all we all pay our taxes for the greater good - for the education and welfare of other people's children, other people less fortunate than ourselves, and other people who are plain lazy - and we have absolutely no choice about that. My view is that if you want a horse, you pay in various ways - be it taxation, licencing, whatever you want to call it - for the greater good of all horses so that resources can be generated to implement improvements... including education programmes.
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Well it's an interesting train of thought mmmm we could tax having children .
Why should good owners pay for the bad .
Horses owners who don't own their own places will face increasing financial pressures in the next decade as pressures on land increase. Paying for another level of beurocracy which the good will pay and the bad will not will solve nothing .
 
Ooh....I'm all for taxing people having children! After all no one is forcing them to have them are they? Just like horse ownership.
 
i`m mainly interested in genetic disorders that can be tested for, all breeds have these, like the blind foals in gypsy cobs
 
There is no way it is going to be economic to produce, or dispose of horses in the human food chain in this country.
Pig, beef and sheep farmers have huge problems in making it pay. You can get a piglet to plate in less than six months on little land, with measured amounts of feed for growth. Everything they eat or are treated with should be recorded.
When they go to abattoir, they are processed in large amounts and the product is rather more easily saleable than horsemeat.
 
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There is no way it is going to be economic to produce, or dispose of horses in the human food chain in this country.
Pig, beef and sheep farmers have huge problems in making it pay. You can get a piglet to plate in less than six months on little land, with measured amounts of feed for growth. Everything they eat or are treated with should be recorded.
When they go to abattoir, they are processed in large amounts and the product is rather more easily saleable than horsemeat.
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The last time I spoke to a dealer who was looking for horses for meat, he wanted TB's passported with a clean passport for virtually for free. For a larger animal the butchery costs are not much more, than cost for a medium sized pony , but the waste would be a high % from the pony so there would be little profit out of the carcass.
I think most of the ponies that are culled must go for raw food but there must be only so many wildlife parks to take them.

In the long term I do not think a cull is an answer, you reduce the amount of animals available, so to satisfy the market they breed some more. This happened with donkeys, 15 years ago they were difficult to buy so people have bred more and imported them.
Its a long term solution of education, and castration and making it cost money to put a mare in foal.
 
honetpot said:
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The last time I spoke to a dealer who was looking for horses for meat, he wanted TB's passported with a clean passport for virtually for free. For a larger animal the butchery costs are not much more, than cost for a medium sized pony , but the waste would be a high % from the pony so there would be little profit out of the carcass.
I think most of the ponies that are culled must go for raw food but there must be only so many wildlife parks to take them.

In the long term I do not think a cull is an answer, you reduce the amount of animals available, so to satisfy the market they breed some more. This happened with donkeys, 15 years ago they were difficult to buy so people have bred more and imported them.
Its a long term solution of education, and castration and making it cost money to put a mare in foal.
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First find a TB with a drug free passport .... good luck with that .
 
Goldenstar said:
Well it's an interesting train of thought mmmm we could tax having children .
Why should good owners pay for the bad .
Horses owners who don't own their own places will face increasing financial pressures in the next decade as pressures on land increase. Paying for another level of beurocracy which the good will pay and the bad will not will solve nothing .
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Well education programmes, more affordable disposal options, free castrations have to be funded somehow, and I think this is where we're all part of the problem, because we all agree that something must be done, but all of these things cost money and the government has other priorities for public spending.

Good people paying for bad people is how society as a whole works. It may not seem fair, and it's not in principle, but I don't think I can hand on heart say that I want something to be done about horse welfare, something that inevitably has a resourcing and cost impact, but that I'm not prepared to contribute to the cost.

Licencing would be one way to raise funds. It works for cars. One central database, horses passported from one source at birth, just like a car registration, and an annual licence of various levels depending on what the horse is used for. To obtain a licence you have to have an annual health check, like an MOT, delivered via a vet practice or other authorised person, and if the horse is to leave its place of residence at any time it must have third party insurance. All this is on one database and you can do it all easily online, just like with a car. Disposal options are also available to be booked via the same website and are automatically processed and recorded. Failure to licence incurs an immediate fine, seizure of animal and ban on keeping with no use of court time. Phased in over a period of X years, with licences issued free to existing owners for a period of Y years. There was a time when car tax and MOTs weren't required, but over time they were introduced in the interests of safety and fund raising. For sure, there are still those who drive without tax and MOTs, but I have no doubt that this number of unsafe vehicles on the road would be far greater if these measures weren't in place. The whole problem of horse welfare would not be solved through licencing, but it would be one way to raise funds and to give authorities power to act without needing to prove neglect or harm, i.e. no licence, no horse. It would be an automatic infringement and would provide an unquestionable, incontrovertible tool with which to reach those who at the moment seem to be beyond the law. It would also mean that all those inexperienced totally useless owners at crappy livery yards all over the country - and let's face it, they are legion and for every one headline of a dumped horse there are scores of horses living terrible lives - would have to engage with a horse healthcare professional at least once a year to get their MOT for their licence.

Over a period of 20 years welfare issues could be virtually eradicated, and over that time people would get used to the fact that the world of horse ownership has changed and there is a need to do things differently.
 
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LinzyD said:
Well education programmes, more affordable disposal options, free castrations have to be funded somehow, and I think this is where we're all part of the problem, because we all agree that something must be done, but all of these things cost money and the government has other priorities for public spending.

Good people paying for bad people is how society as a whole works. It may not seem fair, and it's not in principle, but I don't think I can hand on heart say that I want something to be done about horse welfare, something that inevitably has a resourcing and cost impact, but that I'm not prepared to contribute to the cost.

Licencing would be one way to raise funds. It works for cars. One central database, horses passported from one source at birth, just like a car registration, and an annual licence of various levels depending on what the horse is used for. To obtain a licence you have to have an annual health check, like an MOT, delivered via a vet practice or other authorised person, and if the horse is to leave its place of residence at any time it must have third party insurance. All this is on one database and you can do it all easily online, just like with a car. Disposal options are also available to be booked via the same website and are automatically processed and recorded. Failure to licence incurs an immediate fine, seizure of animal and ban on keeping with no use of court time. Phased in over a period of X years, with licences issued free to existing owners for a period of Y years. There was a time when car tax and MOTs weren't required, but over time they were introduced in the interests of safety and fund raising. For sure, there are still those who drive without tax and MOTs, but I have no doubt that this number of unsafe vehicles on the road would be far greater if these measures weren't in place. The whole problem of horse welfare would not be solved through licencing, but it would be one way to raise funds and to give authorities power to act without needing to prove neglect or harm, i.e. no licence, no horse. It would be an automatic infringement and would provide an unquestionable, incontrovertible tool with which to reach those who at the moment seem to be beyond the law. It would also mean that all those inexperienced totally useless owners at crappy livery yards all over the country - and let's face it, they are legion and for every one headline of a dumped horse there are scores of horses living terrible lives - would have to engage with a horse healthcare professional at least once a year to get their MOT for their licence.

Over a period of 20 years welfare issues could be virtually eradicated, and over that time people would get used to the fact that the world of horse ownership has changed and there is a need to do things differently.
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Sorry but not only are you very free with other people's money but you also expect them to put up with your draconian measures.
You want to turn horse ownership into a regulated millstone around everyone's neck that is virtually guaranteed to make horses practically extinct in the uk.
This would require numerous changes in law and a whole government department....hopefully there is still enough common sense that no one will listen to you.
 
Goldenstar said:
I do think one of the downsides of the passport system is that it's made it harder to dispose of low value animals .
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Yes, completely agree. It was so ironic that it was introduced at exactly the same time as abattoirs were being closed down.

Defra completely screwed things up by imposing passporting at one end of the lifecycle and simultaneously withdrawing disposal options at the other end.
 
LinzyD said:
Yes, completely agree. It was so ironic that it was introduced at exactly the same time as abattoirs were being closed down.

Defra completely screwed things up by imposing passporting at one end of the lifecycle and simultaneously withdrawing disposal options at the other end.
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There are means of disposing horses at the other end however we are being ripped off for using them.
I will say again a cow that goes to disposal costs me £80 a horse would be a minimum of £200 Why?? They both end up as fuel at a power station and the same disposal company
 
cobgoblin said:
Sorry but not only are you very free with other people's money but you also expect them to put up with your draconian measures.
You want to turn horse ownership into a regulated millstone around everyone's neck that is virtually guaranteed to make horses practically extinct in the uk.
This would require numerous changes in law and a whole government department....hopefully there is still enough common sense that no one will listen to you.
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I'm not expecting anything, and I think we're more on the same page here than it may appear. Please don't make it personal; I'm not using the word 'you'; I'm just putting forward some ideas and thoughts. There is some excellent work going on to bring about long-term improvements, but no-one can dispute that it's a slow process, and all I am saying is that theoretically if a more immediate solution were to be found it would indeed take some pretty draconian measures and some high costs, and yes, a completely different organisation from Defra, which is useless, but it would be possible I think. Horses extinct, no certainly not, a lot fewer yes definitely.

I'll bow out of the discussion now, because I seem to have upset you personally Cobgoblin. It was not intentional at all. The discussion was interesting.
 
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_GG_ said:
This is about the most comprehensive and realistic post I've seen on this topic. I used to write equally lengthy and thought out posts about this but quickly realised that sadly, too many people find it easier to bury their heads than accept what we, as humans have done.
Well written, well thought and thank goodness for some sense.



None of us do. We don't have a choice though. One of the things I find most upsetting about the human race is our ability to create problems on one hand and refuse to accept how we need to take responsibility on the other.

The equine welfare crisis isn't new. We all understand the mechanics of it, but not so many people are able to recognise their own role in how it is able to carry on so badly.

There's a lot that makes me not want to live in this world as it is, without the harsh realities of how we might have to correct our failings. It's not a choice we should be able to make though.

If we bury our heads in the sand, we let down every animal that needs us.
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I have been involved with passporting for over 20 years and the situation will get worse as DEFRA still insists on the owner being responsible for the horse not the keeper. DEFRA dumps enforcement on local authorities and gives them no funding so they do not do it. EU 262 2015 came in to EU law on the 1/1/2016 and DEFRA still has no enforceable UK legislation in place. Holdings should be register under the CAP as it is legally difficult to prove who is the owner. Why in other EU countries does chipping cost £10 and in the UK between £50 t0 £70 and it is because only vets can do it in the the Uk in other EU countries any approved person can do it. When the EU did an audit of PIOs they told DEFRA there should only be one ID only PIO as that is what it said in 504/2008 but DEFRA approved 20. Only breed societies can verify breeding and some put the DNA markers in the passport DEFRA do not want this in the Annex(the pages with the details of the horse) as it makes the passport to big. The EU did not believe that you could record horse details with out a database but DEFRA did and closed it and were given a six moth concession on the starting date to 1/7/2016 and it still is not yet downloading data from PIOs inspite of the determined efforst of the Equine Register. I have letters from the DEFRA Secretary of state saying we will not have Uk legislation on passports in place until 2017.
 
popsdosh said:
So the answer to perfectly adequate regulation that is not enforced is to produce more regulation! Have I got that right?
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Not entirely. It's about a better framework for existing regulation to be enforced. One of the main reasons I think that current legislation isn't enforced is lack of resources, i.e. money, plus the complexity of bringing a case. Plus the fact that as Sewell states, Defra is completely incompetent. I would get rid of the whole lot and start again.

Yep, completely agree regarding disposal costs and the disparity between different animals. I have no idea why, but it is wrong.
 
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LinzyD said:
Not entirely. It's about a better framework for existing regulation to be enforced. One of the main reasons I think that current legislation isn't enforced is lack of resources, i.e. money, plus the complexity of bringing a case. Plus the fact that as Sewell states, Defra is completely incompetent. I would get rid of the whole lot and start again.

Yep, completely agree regarding disposal costs and the disparity between different animals. I have no idea why, but it is wrong.
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The main reason farm animals are cheaper to dispose of is because they have a national fallen stock scheme that gives transparent pricing within each area so in effect all the collectors are competing for the business. Ie all their prices are published and you can use whatever collector you like but of course many will go to the cheapest. We have been advocating bringing horses into the scheme however there is a lot of resistance due to horses not being classified as farm animals .
 
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