equine oxyshot??anyone used it?does it work or is it cods-wollop?

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Just been reading the ad 4 oxyshot in H&H! does it really do what it says on the tin??as if it does i need some!(works out 2.50 for a dose)10 shots in small bottle,so not mega bucks.
Ive tried every calmer u can buy with no success.How on earth can this oxyshot work? anyone on here used it? or is it just another rip-off horsy product????
 
As someone with a biology degree I have no understanding of how this product can work as mammals do not absorb oxygen through the gut - it is why we have specialized tissues in the lungs.

Therefore in the absence of believeable, robust science, I can only conclude it is probably not worth the money.....
 
http://www.puralife.co.uk/item.do?item=1
The link is for human version, what I am interested to know is if a product is advertising;
Nutritionists agree that oxygen plays a significant role in sustaining a healthy and active body. Oxygen is fuel for the body’s cells and the single most important nutrient used for energy production, physical activity and recovery. Nutrients in our bodies, such as proteins, carbohydrates and fats, must have a constant supply of oxygen to convert potential energy into usable energy. When exercising or doing any physical activity, the bodies demand for oxygen increases substantially. Sports Oxyshot is used and endorsed by professionals and leading nutritionists in all disciplines;

And this is not the case why are TS not involved. I am not sure I believe the hype, but my concern is that all these products can make misleading claims yet they can be prosecuted for doing so. Therefore if these claims are incorrect, because this statement is true "Therefore in the absence of believeable, robust science, I can only conclude it is probably not worth the money..... "

How are they being permitted to get away with it?
 
I must admit i read it through twice on the advert and also their web page with endorsment's, and thought...
It is too good to be true!
And is it yet another miricale worker that doesn't work!
Would be nice to hear from someone who has tried it??
 
I have used it and I have to admit I have been really pleased with the results - my horse is not a sharp silly horse but gets very tense, and spooky. I have used it before dressage competitions and SJ and I can definitely notice the difference. Also my friend on my yard has a very very tricky mare and she notices the difference and is now a convert! Hope this helps!!
 
Magic oxygen is only absorbed through the lungs as far as I am aware, therefore I cannot understand how something which goes through the gut can possibly increase absorbtion of oxygen, which is what they are claiming. I may be completely wrong, and maybe it does work brilliantly, but it does not make logical sense to me, so therefore I think I probably have better things to spend my money on.
 
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As someone with a biology degree I have no understanding of how this product can work as mammals do not absorb oxygen through the gut - it is why we have specialized tissues in the lungs.

Therefore in the absence of believeable, robust science, I can only conclude it is probably not worth the money.....

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From what I can gateher from their website they are claiming that it is super-concentrated oxygen in liquid form which is absorbed from the gut which would seem to be bad news for all the nice little anaerobes that keep the horse gut healthy....
Interestingly, despite the claims on the website that this has been tested all over the world (with links to nice pictures showing increased pO2) I can't find any actual published data on this
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That would be me. (for my sins)
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Andy did actually try Oxyshot for the first time on the day of the Hickstead Derby. The horse was not concentrating on it's job. I also have to say that the Derby course is soo long & demanding that 'something' certainly helped put him in the right frame of mind. We do still use it from time to time & generally have good results. I believe it is like anything else in life, you have to try it for yourself. Also it may not work for everyone.
 
About as believable as Gillian McKeith telling us we should drink green algae as they will produce oxygen in our guts by photosynthesis
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http://www.puralife.co.uk/item.do?item=1
The link is for human version, what I am interested to know is if a product is advertising;
Nutritionists agree that oxygen plays a significant role in sustaining a healthy and active body. Oxygen is fuel for the body’s cells and the single most important nutrient used for energy production, physical activity and recovery. Nutrients in our bodies, such as proteins, carbohydrates and fats, must have a constant supply of oxygen to convert potential energy into usable energy. When exercising or doing any physical activity, the bodies demand for oxygen increases substantially. Sports Oxyshot is used and endorsed by professionals and leading nutritionists in all disciplines;

And this is not the case why are TS not involved. I am not sure I believe the hype, but my concern is that all these products can make misleading claims yet they can be prosecuted for doing so. Therefore if these claims are incorrect, because this statement is true "Therefore in the absence of believeable, robust science, I can only conclude it is probably not worth the money..... "

How are they being permitted to get away with it?

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I agree magic that the claim you posted is misleading but if you read it very carefully, where does it say anything that is untrue? Oxygen is very important in the body... demand increases during exercise... our product is used by professionals. Nowhere does it say HOW they claim it is absorbed. Of course I haven't been through the link you posted and it may say in there, in which case unless they can prove that oxygen is absorbed through the gut if they claim it is true then yes, TS should be involved. However misleading the quote you posted though, it is cleverly worded and not actually claiming anything as such.
IMO this Oxyshot stuff is a bit like those "equine performance patches" and the like
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It says it in the FAQ section...

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How is Sports OxyShot absorbed into the body?


Typically atmospheric oxygen (a gas) is delivered to the body via the lungs. In contrast, Sports Oxyshot (although rich in oxygen) is not a gas, it is an aqueous solution and like all solutions (eg water, alcohol etc) is absorbed via the gastro-intestinal tract, across the gastric membrane.


As the gastric membrane is similar in nature to the tissues of the lungs the oxygen ‘locked in solution’ crosses over into the blood stream in the same way and this by-passes the first two steps of aerobic respiration (ventilation/gas exchange).


The oxygen in a 10ml dose of Sports Oxyshot whilst not in itself a lot of oxygen (1.5ml) compared to normal respiratory oxygen is however in a very concentrated form (15%) in the solution and this difference is the key to it's effectiveness.


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Interestingly when this is used in humans it is recommended that it is used sublingually and held under the tongue for 30 seconds before swallowing which does tend to imply that most absorption occurs in the mouth and not via the gut...
 
The equine oxyshot website actually claims it increases blood oxygen levels and I do not understand how that is true - how can it be?

So to that end I have contacted a friend who is a post-doc researcher in the biology department of a well-respected red brick university and asked him to pose the question to any physiologist friends he may have.

I will be amazed and eat a large chunk of humble pie if it is true that a liquid absorbed through the gut really can increase blood oxygen levels, but I am prepared to admit that my degree was a long time ago and I did not specialise in physiology so may not understand the finer nuances of the science.

I will report back when I get an answer!
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Ah see that'll teach me not to have time to read the FAQ
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Interesting how mammals have developed over millions of years a fairly efficient system of delivering oxygen to where it is needed, and yet all we humans want to do is "by-pass" bits and muck it all up
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must admit, i was a bit tempted to try it...

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And that is the reason it sells...you are not alone, and if I still had the moody mare, I would probably have bought a case of it!
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*muses* i'm not a scientist, obviously... what's the gas used in fizzy drinks? it is CO2?
if so, does the oxygen from that migrate through the gut wall into the blood stream as well? maybe that's why all these kids are so hyper... it's not the sugar, it's the extra oxygen!
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So to that end I have contacted a friend who is a post-doc researcher in the biology department of a well-respected red brick university and asked him to pose the question to any physiologist friends he may have.


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Might also be interesting to ask a microbiologist about the effects of a highly oxygenated solution passing through the gut and what it will do the the resident bacteria.
 
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So to that end I have contacted a friend who is a post-doc researcher in the biology department of a well-respected red brick university and asked him to pose the question to any physiologist friends he may have.


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Might also be interesting to ask a microbiologist about the effects of a highly oxygenated solution passing through the gut and what it will do the the resident bacteria.

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Oh can add that in easily - his GF has a PhD in microbiology!
 
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*muses* i'm not a scientist, obviously... what's the gas used in fizzy drinks? it is CO2?
if so, does the oxygen from that migrate through the gut wall into the blood stream as well? maybe that's why all these kids are so hyper... it's not the sugar, it's the extra oxygen!
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Think you are getting the idea as to why I am so sceptical...
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I honestly thought I was going bonkers when I first saw this, to the point of very neutrally asking people what they thought to see if they agreed with me. The ones with a science background all did....
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This is all fair enough - but I actually notice a difference in my horse if he doesn't have it now when I first get on. And there are a lot of top names who are using it - surely it can't all be in their heads? It must be doing something???? I have spoken to several riders who have tried it themselves as well and had a good reaction. There must be something in it that has some sort of reaction surely???
 
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This is all fair enough - but I actually notice a difference in my horse if he doesn't have it now when I first get on. And there are a lot of top names who are using it - surely it can't all be in their heads? It must be doing something???? I have spoken to several riders who have tried it themselves as well and had a good reaction. There must be something in it that has some sort of reaction surely???

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Entirely possible, but I'd put money on it not being because it raises blood oxygen levels through absorbtion of an oxygen rich liquid through the gut wall.

It would be so easy to test too, simple blood test I would have thought, and yet I do not see any such results on their website (and if there are there please someone show me and I will apologise for being dim!).
 
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Oh can add that in easily - his GF has a PhD in microbiology!

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So does Sunflower so I should ask her really but I remember how upset she got when she accidentally killed her anaerobes one time
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<font color="red"> You need to look more closely... </font>

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http://www.puralife.co.uk/item.do?item=1

Nutritionists agree that oxygen plays a significant role in sustaining a healthy and active body. Oxygen is fuel for the body’s cells and the single most important nutrient used for energy production, physical activity and recovery. Nutrients in our bodies, such as proteins, carbohydrates and fats, must have a constant supply of oxygen to convert potential energy into usable energy. When exercising or doing any physical activity, the bodies demand for oxygen increases substantially. <font color="red"> Cant argue much with any of this.....now remove the following statement from the same paragraph and look at it as an individual statement.... </font>
Sports Oxyshot is used and endorsed by professionals and leading nutritionists in all disciplines;
<font color="red"> Again this is probably totally true although many folks are given 'incentives' to endorse a product </font>

How are they being permitted to get away with it?

<font color="red"> They get away with it, once again like so many other things, by clever marketing </font>

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Just read this.......not a scientist... !!!!!! Just really interested in all this..... so can anyone explain..... in laymans terms would be good!!!!!!!!
The hydrogen sulfate and other acids in Oxygen Elements Plus (formerly called Hydroxygen Plus) reduce the surface tension of water. This can release the O- (negative) molecule, which then marries with the O+ positive) molecule when the Oxygen Elements Plus/water mixture is ingested. In this way nascent O2 results.

Deuterium sulfate (D2SO4) is a by-product of our manufacturing process and contributes to the destructuring of water in order to reduce its surface tension. Although we know that this process does allow additional oxygen to be available at the cellular level, we do not know the exact mechanism by which O2 is absorbed by the blood cells. When measured with an oximeter, however, the percentage of oxygen in the blood increases following ingestion of the Oxygen Elements Plus/water mixture.

In the above process, Oxygen Elements Plus makes water more permeable, more absorbable. The water in our bodies circulates nutrients, including oxygen, within the body. The body utilizes it's own water and makes contributions to the cells. Taking Oxygen Elements Plus helps the body utilize nutrients more efficiently, and does not alter the body's water in a negative way.

GHT's OE Plus formula is patented, which means it has fulfilled two requirements:

a) it is unique, and b) it has been tested to show that it does what we say it will do-

namely, oxygenate and detoxify. The manufacturing process of Oxygen Elements Plus is held as proprietary information.
 
Well, talk about blinding you with science
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The hydrogen sulfate and other acids in Oxygen Elements Plus (formerly called Hydroxygen Plus) reduce the surface tension of water. This can release the O- (negative) molecule, which then marries with the O+ positive) molecule when the Oxygen Elements Plus/water mixture is ingested.
In this way nascent O2 results.
<font color="red"> So basically this is a weakly acidic solution which dissociates to form O- and whatever cation they used (usually H+) which then "marries" with the O+, not sure what they mean by this apart from perhaps free radicals. This is all fine and dandy except the stomach is already acidic and so as soon as the stomach empties into the duodenum the acid is neutralised
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Deuterium sulfate (D2SO4) is a by-product of our manufacturing process and contributes to the destructuring of water in order to reduce its surface tension.
<font color="red"> Which is basically sulphuric acid but with the deuterium isotope of hydrogen, again all great except that stonach acid is already sulphuric acid so I'm not sure how adding a bit more, weaker acid will help anything </font> Although we know that this process does allow additional oxygen to be available at the cellular level, we do not know the exact mechanism by which O2 is absorbed by the blood cells. When measured with an oximeter, however, the percentage of oxygen in the blood increases following ingestion of the Oxygen Elements Plus/water mixture. <font color="red"> and this doesn't seem to have been published anywhere either... </font>

In the above process, Oxygen Elements Plus makes water more permeable <font color="red"> no it doesn't, water isn't permeable, it is the walls of the gut which are permeable and they are already designed to reabsorb water fairly efficiently </font> , more absorbable. The water in our bodies circulates nutrients, including oxygen, within the body <font color="red"> Well, actually the blood in our bodies circulates nutrients, though a large component of blood is water. </font> The body utilizes it's own water and makes contributions to the cells. Taking Oxygen Elements Plus helps the body utilize nutrients more efficiently, and does not alter the body's water in a negative way.

GHT's OE Plus formula is patented, which means it has fulfilled two requirements:

a) it is unique, and b) it has been tested to show that it does what we say it will do-

namely, oxygenate and detoxify. <font color="red"> yet I can't actually find any published data to show that it does what they claim it does </font> The manufacturing process of Oxygen Elements Plus is held as proprietary information.

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