Equine Rescue France is formed!

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After all the interest in the horses we have been able to rescue & rehome to date, we are extremely pleased to announce the arrival of Equine Rescue France a newly registered not- for- profit association based in France.
Our aims are to alleviate the suffering of equines that have been abandoned, mistreated or are destined for the abattoir through facilitating their rescue, rehabilitation and re-homing. Where we cannot act, we will inform the relevant authorities of equine mistreatment and, where possible, pursue justice. Furthermore, by supporting recognised organisations in other E.U countries we will campaign for improvements to existing legislation on transportation of live equines to ensure that they are protected from cruelty & neglect.

We are extremely lucky to have a very motivated team of experts working with us to create ERF so please help us to help these needy equines by visiting our website www.equinerescuefrance.org where you can find out more and join our efforts by becoming a member.

If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me on here or alternatively contact us on our site.
 
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please help us to help these needy equines by visiting our website www.equinerescuefrance.org where you can find out more and join our efforts by becoming a member.

If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me on here or alternatively contact us on our site.

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how do you "rescue" these horses?

do you buy them from the meatman to "rescue"them??
 
? I'm being a bit thick tonight I think. If you buy a horse from a meatman which is going to be slaughtered otherwise, how is that not rescuing a horse?

I'm not being facetious BTW, just genuinely interested in the thinking behind your post.

And I know it's not very PC, as saving a horse is saving a horse, but why are people focusing on horses abroad when there are so many here who need saving?
 
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That's just a small part of what we are doing though, please read our website!

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Having read the website, I don't see that anything other than buying horses destined for meat has been achieved or is in the pipeline
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Presumably because that is where they live.

Yes, purchasing a horse that was destined for the meatman might be saving that individual horse, although that is a moot point, there is no way of knowing what long term quality of life these horses may have. But it doesn't address the issue of long distance travel on the hoof which is an issue that could do with the work of a group of firm minded people in countries such as France
 
I definitely agree with you regarding the long distance travel of live horses The Watcher. And hope that something can be done, as the conditions sound barbaric.
 
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? I'm being a bit thick tonight I think. If you buy a horse from a meatman which is going to be slaughtered otherwise, how is that not rescuing a horse?

I'm not being facetious BTW, just genuinely interested in the thinking behind your post.

And I know it's not very PC, as saving a horse is saving a horse, but why are people focusing on horses abroad when there are so many here who need saving?

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you're not being thick at all....

look at it this way...

meatman has £20 to spend on crappy meat horses...buys 4 for £5 each...silly misguided "do-gooders" come along..."awww, poor horsey, it's SO skinny and unloved poor thing is off to the abbatoir...what can i do"??...." i know i'll "RESCUE" it!!!...says to meatman..how much??

he thinks.."ooh, i've got a right mug here....so says £20"...mis-guided do-gooder thinks.."oo, i can "save "this poor thing..i'll buy it"!.....

meatman makes major profit so he can buy and sell more misery!

easy maths really....the only winner is the meatman....

DON'T DO IT...........

there will always be traders in horsemeat, wether we "english" like it or not, if you feel the need to give equines a better transit to the abbatoir, then support the ILPH, and forget about so called "rescue" operations.....as in the long run, they ACTUALLY fuel the meat trade with their misguided "rescue" centres.
 
RHT, thankyou. I thought I was the only person to see it this way. I too believe we are simply fuelling the trade . There will always be more horses to replace the ones 'rescued'.

I also agree with The_Watcher, we are not addressing the transportation issues by simply buying up these specific animals.
 
I thought it looked like a new and revised edition of the same people aswell Triple.

I also agree wholeheartedly with RHT.
 
I agree with RHT totally about rescuing animals that are destined for slaughter from the meatman. I think that rehoming the mushroom farm horses is slightly different as they appear to be healthy horses that are just out of a job.
 
Thanks for that RHT, I hadn't even had a drink last night, so can't use that as an excuse!

But of course it is the supply and demand scenario, isn't it.

I already support the ILPH and Brooke Hospital, amongst other animal charities, and agree that it needs the impact of experienced campaigners like that to end the horror of live travel. We also will never stop people eating horse meat, just the same as many of us (myself included) eat other meat.

Thanks again RHT
 
i too, support the ILPH.

they are even in my will....(that'll please the kids LOL)

ithey are doing a good job over in europe..the figures speak for themselves as far as live transport is concerned..the numbers of animals from the former eastern bloc has dropped considerably due to fact that campaining for better transport/water and feed stops/overnight stops etc is beginning to make on the hoof transport less lucratve...

unfortunately, spain and france have jumped on the bandwagon because their timescale to get these animals to italy is much shorter, so they have upped the numbers arriving from those countries..

things are getting better but i for one will continue to support the ILPH to make sure the "On the hook not on the hoof" campaign is brought to fruition.

going off half-cock clouds the issue...these well meaning folk would do FAR better to give their money to the ILPH to further their campaign to ACTUALLY get things done through the powers that be over in europe.

sorry for the waffle...gets off soapbox!!
 
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And most of the surplus horses in countries who don't breed for meat are due to folks breeding for the sake of it. Go into the Breeders Forum. It's full of them.

"I just feel like having a foal from my mare which has gone lame aged only five. Which stallion do you recommend?"

Arghhhhhhh. A bloody hysterectomy is what I recommend.

I am the British wing of the Fugly Horse Blog.

I have two very nice, even-tempered mares with good conformation and some jumping talent they quite possibly could pass on. Will I breed from them? NEVER!

The world (never mind France and Great Britain) is flooded with crappy animals - and if you use Olympic jumpers and dressage horses as your yardstick, then that includes mine. Stop bloody adding to the numbers just because you want a 'baby 'Flossie''. You might, but when it arrives with every bad trait from both parents, no bugger else will. Then what are you going to do with it? Of course!!! Send it to Italy for sandwiches and hope someone 'rescues' it. Oooooh, they might even breed from it, too.

* steps down from soapbox before she really gets going*
 
this bunch 'hung' me when I did the same calculations using 'potatoes' instead of horses! I used potatoes thinking that they would be less 'heating' but...I w
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as wrong. You are correct 100 per cent IMHO. Mairi.
 
I was shot down in flames when I replied, as you have done, to posts of the same sort. Please, not ALL come to Italy
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! Did you know that the Swiss eat a good deal of horse meat (home grown though)?
I support.. ON THE HOOK AND NOT THE HOOF!!!!!
 
"Could I first point out that saving a few selected horses from the butcher is such a very small part of Equine Rescue France. In fact the horse I personally saved was NOT a skinny thing and I can also state I was NOT OMG must save her no matter what she looks like!! She is actually an 8yr old Percheron Mare that has peviously done driving and concours unfortuntely we don't know why she ended up at the 'fat farm' in dept 41 however she did! Our long term goals are to help educate the younger generation here in France to make sure that improvements can be made to horse care and management for the next generation...after all,France is how the UK was about 50 years ago when it comes to equine welfare so education is key.We wholeheartedly support the ILPH camapaign on 'hook not hoof' transportation and hope to work with them here in France surveying the transport welfare issues to the abattoirs.

Our website is still under construction but there is already information available on there as to who we are...we are not horse dealers,we are a non profit making association registered here in France helping equines in France.

If any equines are saved from slaughter in the short term through us we will do all we can to research to who and where this equine is going.After all it would be a pretty pointless exercise for horses to end up in the wrong hands and go back to a similar fate.

As with any new association we are willing to listen to your views and we hope you can work with us,not against us to help improve conditions for horses where ever they live in the world."

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
 
If education is really what you are hoping to do with your company, then that has always to be commended....however, as you pointed out it appears to be the French who need this education, therefore why is your site written in English and why are you advertising your horses to British people?

Surely if these horses have had horrendous journey throughout Europe then the last thing they need is to be shipped for yet another day or two to yet another country?

It really doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, unless there is a profit at the end of it. Britain (like Canada) has enough of it's own rescue horses; I doubt any other country needs any more.
 
Sorry Mairi, I completely forgot your whereabouts
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and wasn't meaning to be offensive. Swap Italy for any European or worldwide horsemunching nation. I do hope you forgive me!

I actually can't argue over eating meat as long as the rearing process is correct for the livestock concerned in terms of welfare and the end is as humane as possible. There really is no need for cruelty or shortcuts in this business, and in a perfect world there should be no desperate cases wanting a rescue outfit dashing to their aid. Sadly, the world is not perfect.

Tia - a vote of confidence indeed! Thankies
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RHT - ta for the loan of your soapbox - you may have it back now!!!
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thanks brighteyes...

mairi is cool..she has done her own bit in Italy....it's just easy for "us" to say that country for recipient slaughter equines is Italy as "there" seems to be the most highlighted...ATM....

but believe me, mairi is very well informed.......
 
Aye, me 'n' Mairi aren't at loggerheads.
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She survives somehow in that vetless wilderness, where they hunt anything and everything, and always has good advice and a cheery smile. Nice that she pops her head in every now and again. I don't recall she has ever upset anyone - though she holds her own in the hunting forum
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See I agree with RHT with regards to not fueling this - wouldn't suprise me if the hole thing has been set up by a clever meat man.

BUT just because a friend of mine started breeding from a Never So Bold mare who as a yearling injured herself so badly she would never be ridden let alone race he should never have bred from it? Regardless of the fact its produced two daughters who between then have produced a pavo yearling champion and reserve supreme, cardigan hunter champion, tivyside sport horse champion, two pembrokeshire sport horse champions, a 7y.o intermediate eventer (whose 4* rider think is a Badminton horse) a 5y.o welsh part bred who Robert Walker is asking where its come from because it won't stop winning and a 6y.o novice eventer, grade C showjumper and 7th 5y.o pavo finals.

And to think, he's really adding to the problem of this overhorsed world!.
 
Why do people think they are saving an animal ,NO another animal dies, that's all and someone makes money out of it. I know someone who has fallen for this and paid £2,000 for one and is saving up to buy another. I'm sorry I have worked for charities .I've seen people set up charities and pay themselves a very good wage.Someone is making a lot of money out of kind misguided people
 
As I am one of the ERF founders, much as I love a good healthy debate, I have to admit to simply wanting to comment on a couple of points raised:

1. The website is currently only in English because we wanted to get it up and running quickly. It is a temporary one that I have knocked up to explain a little about ourselves. We have a volunteer designing a more professional website which will of course be in both French and English and we do already have both French and English members (there are many Brits living in France now). One of our French members is working on the translation for us. However, it is a good point to raise as I should explain the lack of French on the website and will amend it this morning - thanks.

2. We are a not-for-profit association, having deposited our statutes with the legal bodies in France. This is different to a charity and we do not portray ourselves as a charity anywhere. However, we do have an open book accounting system which clearly shows where all monies raised are apportioned (in fact, it is a law in France, that associations deposit their P&Ls for scrutiny). We will at times have to pay for professional services - we will be using the skills of local vets, farriers, notaires etc. All the work of the bureau has to be voluntary and free, we cannot be employed by the association - again this is a legal requirement in France.

As an aside, yes Carthorse, I agree that some people probably earn good wages working for charities. But this generalisation cannot be used to damn all the good charities out there as I think we all agree many bodies, such as ILPH, are doing sterling work.

I hope that this clarifies the situation. We are all passionate about the welfare of equines both in the short term and longer term, and improving this is our overall aim.
 
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