Eric's Charm PTS at Newbury :(

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Sadly this lovely old chap has been PTS this afternoon after blundering on landing and breaking a foreleg in his attempts to stay upright.
I was a real fan of his, and it was a desperately sad thing to see.
RIP old chap :(
 
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TelH said:
:( :( :( It was horrible, you just knew the way his leg went he was gone. Been a cr@p year at Newbury so far :( :( :(
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I know, no way back from that. Such a shame.
Been a bad year everywhere so far!!
You know it's bad when the C4 lot don't try and bulls*it and sugarcoat it and refer to him in the past tense straight away :(

I have Cheltenham week off..I don't know if I will dare watch..
 
I think it was also maybe a little insensitive whoever on Channel 4 said it was heartbreaking for Alderburn to come second...at least he will be going home this evening :(
 
I wonder how many more horses will die before people realise that racing is no longer the sport of kings, but of the egotistical and greedy. The sooner its banned, the better.
RIP wee pet.
 
I didnt think that was insensitive. Alderburn deserved a win - so close and yet so far. Of course Daly will me more than pleased just to have im home this evening but for all those watching it would have been lovely to see him win.

As for Eric - yes you could just see after landing that he had lost his action and the unthinkable had happened.They were just saying in the paddock before how well in himself he looked too. :(
 
Again - jennyharvey, racing will never be banned. Horses die and are fatally injured every day - in every discipline and through wilfull neglect, it a fact of life. There are also egotistical and greedy people in every walk of life and every equine discipline - no moreso in racing than anywhere else.
And even if it were, then the days of pleasure riding for so many would be over too as the price of feed/bedding/tack/veterinary costs would go up and availability would go down. Be careful what you wish for.

If I were lucky enough to be reincarnated then I would chose to come back as a racehorse. No question.
 
glenruby said:
Again - jennyharvey, racing will never be banned. Horses die and are fatally injured every day - in every discipline and through wilfull neglect, it a fact of life. There are also egotistical and greedy people in every walk of life and every equine discipline - no moreso in racing than anywhere else.
And even if it were, then the days of pleasure riding for so many would be over too as the price of feed/bedding/tack/veterinary costs would go up and availability would go down. Be careful what you wish for.

If I were lucky enough to be reincarnated then I would chose to come back as a racehorse. No question.
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Well put.
I will be the first to admit that I have a love hate relationship with racing.
There is nothing more spectacular than seeing a good chaser take off outside the wings and fly, and nothing sadder than seeing one come to grief.
In ALL aspects of equine sport (and the horseworld in general) things happen that we would rather didn't.
Sometimes it is bad luck, money related, or just plain cruelty, but the end result is the same.
At least on a racecourse, horses can be attended to quickly, unlike if you are on a hack in the middle of nowhere and the unthinkable happens.
 
glenruby said:
Again - jennyharvey, racing will never be banned. Horses die and are fatally injured every day - in every discipline and through wilfull neglect, it a fact of life. There are also egotistical and greedy people in every walk of life and every equine discipline - no moreso in racing than anywhere else.
And even if it were, then the days of pleasure riding for so many would be over too as the price of feed/bedding/tack/veterinary costs would go up and availability would go down. Be careful what you wish for.

If I were lucky enough to be reincarnated then I would chose to come back as a racehorse. No question.
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I sure as hell wouldnt want to be a racehorse, or a horse at all actually. They are the most over worked and underpaid of all our domestic animals.
They are worked too hard, not just in racing, are fed unnatural feeds, kept indoors, and more.

No, definately wouldnt want to be a horse. But each to there own i guess.
 
glenruby said:
Again - jennyharvey, racing will never be banned. Horses die and are fatally injured every day - in every discipline and through wilfull neglect, it a fact of life. There are also egotistical and greedy people in every walk of life and every equine discipline - no moreso in racing than anywhere else.
And even if it were, then the days of pleasure riding for so many would be over too as the price of feed/bedding/tack/veterinary costs would go up and availability would go down. Be careful what you wish for.

If I were lucky enough to be reincarnated then I would chose to come back as a racehorse. No question.
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Second that opinion, except that I would definitely not come back as a race horse. I'd come back as a cat!
 
Tictac - maybe a few more lives would be the better option.

All that said, with Eric's charm (who I adored) and the horse injured in the next, its been a bad day. The only upside was watching Via Galalei cruising in in the hurdle. He was all over the 2nd placed horse. I rememeber wathing him run on the flat as a 2yo where he unseated his rider and went on a 2mile gallop round Leopardstown (?) - and was subsequently withdrawn. Remember the commentators saying perhaps hed make an awesome NH even with his breeding! They werent wrong!
 
Jennyharvey said:
I sure as hell wouldnt want to be a racehorse, or a horse at all actually. They are the most over worked and underpaid of all our domestic animals.
They are worked too hard, not just in racing, are fed unnatural feeds, kept indoors, and more.

No, definately wouldnt want to be a horse. But each to there own i guess.
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Huge generalisation there. Many horses have a wonderful, natural, very well cared for life. Mine do. I'd like to be reincarnated as one of my horses... ;) ;)
Most horses are cared for, or left to their own devices in fields, for 23 hours a day, and expected to work for an hour a day or less. That's not a bad deal imho... ;) ;)

Racing is very hard on horses BUT they do love it, it's going along with their natural instincts to run as part of a herd. If they don't want to do it, they don't. I do wish the powers that be would ban use of the whip outright (carry one to wave it to straighten horse, but not touch horse with it). The injuries and fatalities are tragic but without the industry, hundreds of thousands of horses would never be bred in the first place.
 
The grey, Karky Schultz looked to die pretty much instantly. RIP.

"There is nothing more spectacular than seeing a good chaser take off outside the wings and fly, and nothing sadder than seeing one come to grief."

Totally agree with this sentiment.

Cannot wait until next Tuesday nevertheless, Cheltenham Festival has to be the greatest sporting spectacle of the year. The atmosphere is second to none. I won't be going this year due to family commitments but have the week off work and barring national disasters I will not be moving far from my Television :)!
 
my son, who is 2, was watching with me, & as his pony is grey, burst into tears when Karky Schultz fell,

i'm very much of the opinion that they love what they do.... our filly LOVES racing, you can see it all over her face, she's got such a determined look about her in the last furlongs of a race,
 
So sad for everyone involved but sadly any sport including horses involves a risk. Only a few weeks ago there was a lady killed out hacking which was posted on this forum. I don't believe that anyone buys a racehorse and invests the time and money just for fun. You can't make any horse doing something it doesn't want to. On a happier note I've had my ex-racer 5 years today, seems like 5 months.
 
minesadouble said:
The grey, Karky Schultz looked to die pretty much instantly. RIP.

"There is nothing more spectacular than seeing a good chaser take off outside the wings and fly, and nothing sadder than seeing one come to grief."

Totally agree with this sentiment.

Cannot wait until next Tuesday nevertheless, Cheltenham Festival has to be the greatest sporting spectacle of the year. The atmosphere is second to none. I won't be going this year due to family commitments but have the week off work and barring national disasters I will not be moving far from my Television :)!
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I will do what I always do..Watch through my fingers, with my heart in my mouth.
Seeing as I have the week off, it would be rude not to, but I will be a bag of nerves all the way through.
 
Does anyone know what happened to the grey who fell in the last aired race on channel 4 at newbury, was in the hurdle race. Fell horribly hoped it was ok but looked like it was fitting or twitching in pain :(
 
PRTeventing said:
Does anyone know what happened to the grey who fell in the last aired race on channel 4 at newbury, was in the hurdle race. Fell horribly hoped it was ok but looked like it was fitting or twitching in pain :(
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That was the aforementioned Karky Schultz. Fatal aswell unfortunately :(
 
I love my racing but just at the moment I'm finding it hard to watch.

Newbury seems blighted just now, although other courses have had their share of troubles. I'm just praying that Cheltenham avoids similar disasters.

Channel 4 couldn't "gloss" over today's accidents as they both happened in full camera view and it was obvious on both occasions what had happened.

I take bit of comfort that as John Francome said Eric's Charm died what he loved doing, but I feel so sad for his trainer and connections, and for Karky Shultz too.

Was it the same fence on both occasions?
 
kerilli said:
Huge generalisation there. Many horses have a wonderful, natural, very well cared for life. Mine do. I'd like to be reincarnated as one of my horses... ;) ;)
Most horses are cared for, or left to their own devices in fields, for 23 hours a day, and expected to work for an hour a day or less. That's not a bad deal imho... ;) ;)

Racing is very hard on horses BUT they do love it, it's going along with their natural instincts to run as part of a herd. If they don't want to do it, they don't. I do wish the powers that be would ban use of the whip outright (carry one to wave it to straighten horse, but not touch horse with it). The injuries and fatalities are tragic but without the industry, hundreds of thousands of horses would never be bred in the first place.
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You are right regarding whips and that some horses do lead a good life. However, my Guy would NOT be enjoying a life of luxury had the racing industry gotten their way. He was one of about twenty who had gone to a killer auction. Most had not been fast enough, but several had picked up (non life threatening injuries), so the industry was washing its hands of them. A couple more were rescued, but I only had enough to save one. Really wish I could have saved the rest of them, but my bank account was not big enough. :(

I strongly believe that horses do not love racing. When they run in a herd like that, their natural drive to stay with the herd kicks in. It is nothing more than instinct. If we could explain to them that there was a very high chance they could die, I do not think that any of them would start.
 
Two horses dead (again!!) at Newbury, but NO headlines in the news or cries of 'sorrow' from the industry. Then again, they had not gotten their quids worth from the two who were electrocuted. Bleak day indeed if they are not getting any money!!

Rest peacefully poor horses.
 
Over2You said:
You are right regarding whips and that some horses do lead a good life. However, my Guy would NOT be enjoying a life of luxury had the racing industry gotten their way. He was one of about twenty who had gone to a killer auction. Most had not been fast enough, but several had picked up (non life threatening injuries), so the industry was washing its hands of them. A couple more were rescued, but I only had enough to save one. Really wish I could have saved the rest of them, but my bank account was not big enough. :(

I strongly believe that horses do not love racing. When they run in a herd like that, their natural drive to stay with the herd kicks in. It is nothing more than instinct. If we could explain to them that there was a very high chance they could die, I do not think that any of them would start.
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Am not being facetious here - what exactly is a 'killer auction'??

I'm very much pro-racing and I do think the majority enjoy it. Our own horses, ranging from a 13.2 NF to a TB ex racer love nothing better than a real good gallop, especially when out in company and they all get competitive with one another. The principle is surely the same? Yes, the sport is high risk but it is not the only high risk equestrian sport.

We risk our horses every time we turn them out in the field or hack them out on the road - esecially the latter, but we still do it.

I've had a few ex-racers, my eldest daughter currently has one, her first horse since coming off ponies, and I think it is testament to the way they are treated in racing that without fail mine have all had a real trust in people and genuine affection for them. We all know horses have long memories and if these horses had been abused they would not trust and enjoy the company of humans the way they do.

If you are a horse lover it is sometimes difficult to reconcile the risk of serious injury with the pleasure of watching an equine athlete do what it was bred to do. But how can anyone watch the likes of veteran chaser Monet's Garden flying fences from outside the wings with a look of real sheer joy on his face and say that is cruel or abusive to the horse?? Using this horse as an example also proves that not all owners are heartless and money orientaed - his owner's must have spent a fortune fighting for this horse's life (initially against veterinary advice) not so that he could make it back onto the track but in order for him to enjoy a hopefully long and pleasurable retirement.

There is good and bad in every horse sport.
 
Over2You have you bothered to read this thread if so you will have heard how Channel 4 say how sorry they were and payed tribute to Erics Charm.

The Industry if you bothered to check the racing Post web site you would have seen a big write up to Erics Charm and if you looked you would have seen all the posters expressing their sorrow. The trainer was too upset to be interviewed hardly the action of someone who dosnt care.

All racing fans abhor this type of accident which is exactly what it was an accident no one was to blame and it couldnt be prevented.

What ever your thoughts on racing it is a legal activity and employs thousands of people it also pays lots of money into equine research which you and other horse owners benefit from.
 
minesadouble said:
Cannot wait until next Tuesday nevertheless, Cheltenham Festival :)!
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You'll be a bit early. Next Tuesday is the 8th March. Festival does not start till the 15th.

Sad day indeed at Newbury, the past month has not been kind to racing at all. Lets hope fortunes change for Cheltenham and Aintree and there are no more fatalities.
 
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