Escaped stallion

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Have the three not settled down a bit, yet???
Obviously fraught, but since the stallion’s basically bludgeoned the other two into submission (all likely to warrant treatment for injuries, if as you claim), then manouvering and separating the two victims ought to be feasible by now, using vehicles if still explosive.
Reads like a very bad day at an historic Welsh horse fair - when local farmers would CERTAINLY have dealt with it!
 
paddy555 said:
:D:D:D:D

I wondered when someone would come up with those small problems. :)
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It’s not a small problem if people think someone with a shotgun can kill it stone dead with one shot, at a distance. Shooting, guns and licensing are a very touchy subject in Devon at the moment, I wouldn’t know about Wales.
 
SEL said:
Agreed!

A traveller's 13h cob stallion got in with a load of warm blood mares belonging to a guy I know and they just vanished. He still had to do the abandonment process before the charities would take it.

Fortunately it was quite cute and easy to catch but his vet bill for making sure his "they are supposed to be breeding showjumpers" mares weren't about to produce anything with hairy legs was big!
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Big demand for useful mid range half breds, probably sell them much faster than top show jumpers 😂
 
Spotherisk said:
It’s not a small problem if people think someone with a shotgun can kill it stone dead with one shot, at a distance. Shooting, guns and licensing are a very touchy subject in Devon at the moment, I wouldn’t know about Wales.
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I think Paddy was agreeing with you?
But I’d still shoot it, hitch it up and dump it back next door after dark.
 
Spotherisk said:
It’s not a small problem if people think someone with a shotgun can kill it stone dead with one shot, at a distance. Shooting, guns and licensing are a very touchy subject in Devon at the moment, I wouldn’t know about Wales.
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If someone was to be persuaded to shoot the stallion without the owner's permission then the owner could be onto the police to make a complaint. The police would be on the doorstep and then there would be the question of renewing the firearms cert. idc. (or not) we all know about guns down here. :)

if the vet provides a marksman to sedate what happens then? will a vet really destroy a horse without the owner's permission.

OP's info. has concentrated very nicely on one side of the story. We haven't heard the other side. We assume the owner has no interest and is doing nothing. Someone must have found them by now and discussed it with them. We also now nothing about the stallion. We are guessing small feral but could be anything. Where is OP BTW?
Pearlsasinger said:
There are plenty of rural people who have rifles and the liability of shooting a dangerous escaped low value stallion would be minimal. If it exists.
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what price your firearms cert if you go and use the weapon to kill a pet without permission..Value of the stallion would be irrelevant.

Clodagh said:
I think Paddy was agreeing with you?
But I’d still shoot it, hitch it up and dump it back next door after dark.
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yes I was agreeing. However why are you going to dump it? plenty of free dinners in that carcass for your doggies :D:D:D:D
 
Spotherisk said:
It’s not a small problem if people think someone with a shotgun can kill it stone dead with one shot, at a distance. Shooting, guns and licensing are a very touchy subject in Devon at the moment, I wouldn’t know about Wales.
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We're not too fussed on random guns this side of the Bristol channel either 🙈🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
 
I have had two colts get in with my two geldings, my friend's mare and another mare and gelding. They were in together overnight, and I absolutely would be separating the horses, even if it involved shooting the stallion. My boys were thoroughly battered, as were the colts, but thankfully all horses eventually recovered. Very sore, exhausted and extremely distressed though.
 
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You can't go around shooting horses, without the Police's permission. You aren't even supposed to shoot an injured deer on the side of the road, unless the Police are informed and agree. (Stupid, I know, but still.)
I would contact Envirnonmental Health and Trading Standards at the County Council..
They have removed feral animals in the past.

I would also threaten the owner of the stallion with it being shot if not removed by .....
Also contact BHS/World Horse Welfare for any information and help regarding liability, sanctions, etc.

A gelding can be killed by a jealous stallion, so I would be removing him pronto.
 
My legal knowledge is rusty, but I believe your friend can sue the owner of the stallion for costs, etc, so may be worth getting a third party to verify everything. A call to the police can also be useful documentation.

I think you could send an invoice and then follow up via the small claim courts.

Although this may not solve the problem the ‘I have taken legal advice and will sue’ may prompt action.

But probably the most humane option is to offer to buy the stallion for peanuts and find it an appropriate home?
 
In Ireland you can shoot a dog attacking your livestock and just have to notify Garda within 48 hours after shooting them

Need to have proof they were attacking your animals
Photos/video or usually wounds

I would take the same approach to this stallion
 
Orangehorse said:
A gelding can be killed by a jealous stallion, so I would be removing him pronto.
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This would be my greatest concern to be honest. Plus the poor mare's back and general welfare if she is being constantly mated. Something does just doesn't ring right for me on this one. 🤨
 
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I would have served an abandonment notice the same day and informed the police
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canteron said:
But probably the most humane option is to offer to buy the stallion for peanuts and find it an appropriate home?
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i would probably do that but as normally happens the appropriate home seems to end up being my home. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I did this with a 3yo colt who was causing similar chaos many years ago. He has turned out to be my best pony, goes in with any horse and keeps them quiet. After a difficult start he is worth his weight in gold as a nursemaid.

we seem to have "mislaid" OP.
 
meleeka said:
Liability for what? Damage to property? I'm guessing a young, feral stallion isn't worth much at all, so as above, once that's offset against the damage to the friends property (her horses), the owner would still be out of pocket. The problem with shooting is that the surrounding area has to be safe. I know someone that does this and it's not unusual to have to close roads and get authorities involved, because of the potential to miss.
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Really? I know someone who uses a rifle to shoot foxes, I don't think he has to close the road or get the authorities involved to do it.
 
Sorry I had a doctors appointment this AM and then worked from 9.30 til 7.
Only now reading posts.
In regards to people saying this isn't real I be happy to send video to a member you all trust that agrees not to share it? As I said it's not my horses or my land so not my place to share videos but ridiculous the amount of people saying I'm making it up. 🤦
 
poppetpony said:
Sorry I had a doctors appointment this AM and then worked from 9.30 til 7.
Only now reading posts.
In regards to people saying this isn't real I be happy to send video to a member you all trust that agrees not to share it? As I said it's not my horses or my land so not my place to share videos but ridiculous the amount of people saying I'm making it up. 🤦
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Try not to take offense, everyone is hyper aware of this sort of thing at the moment because there has been a spate of weird things recently. It's not you specifically, it's the whole situation and the context of what else has happened on the forum.
 
As regards an update..not very good.
Spoke to my friend and the owner has been in contact with her parents and basically said she can't do anything until Monday as she can't catch the stallion and that's the soonest she could get help to transport him.
The vets are coming back Monday with someone who can legally dart but they don't think that will be an option as unsafe to get close enough. They will also bring someone who can shoot to kill but obviously my friends horses need to be out of the way.
She did manage to get in with them yesterday when the vets where there with the neighbours and some family members and they have been checked by the vet quickly while they kept the stallion away but it for too dangerous and he charged straight through everyone.
The field they are in at the moment is a long straight field with 2 gates. One opens on to one other field ..where my sheep are currently with a gate on to the main road. The other opens on to the farm track opening out on to a blind bend on a 60mph road.
I don't know what sort of farm everyone is imagining but there are no barns or outbuildings. It's basically a farm house in the middle of some fields with a camp site. Other than a few sheep and my friends 2 horses they haven't had anything on the farm for years so fencing isn't adequate to contain a stallion who can jump over 5ft.
As for the stallion he's probably 14.2/15 hh maybe. Owner has said she's had him for 10 years and he's never behaved like this before. However the neighbours said they took pity on her and the 5 other horses she's got as no where else would take her on. Either way she can't catch him and is sacred to handle him herself.
My friend did say if the stallion isn't removed then the option is to shoot him but then the owner went crazy and threatened all sorts..police .legal action ect.

I did suggest to my friend about boxing hers up and removing them but she said without a lot of brave people there's no safe way to extract him from the mare without risking him jumping out and onto the road and she won't risk that. The thought of him charging out on to the road and someone getting killed isn't worth it.
 
Get gelding out. Serve owner abandonment notice. Stallion has 24 eviction notice, it’s gone by them or by your friend. Get the home address off of land owners and get it delivered.

Is he normally out with mares in his field? If so I’d go get them once the gelding is out. Then hopefully sneak your friends mare out, hopefully onto a box and to a safe distance.

Or, find a local beef farmer and ask if they could come give you a hand with some lads. Drive stallion onto a box.

I’d withdraw water potentially to try wear him down a bit, but honestly make a shoot and drive them into a lorry, which everyone goes up first then lots of lunge whips, noise makers, burly chaps gates etc whilst ramp goes up. Only issue wtf are you going to do with old colty bum once captured. He can’t go home as he’ll be straight back.
 
Also horses aren't legally classed as livestock but as pets so I'm not sure where the law would lie with shooting someone's horse? I can't really find much legal advice online regarding stallions.

As for everyone saying this isn't normal stallion behaviour I've personally had issues with stallions on 2 occasions so seems pretty normal to me.
I used to have gypsy horses next door to me and the stallion was always trying to get in and jumping Thier side of the fence. I spent weeks making fences on their side with pallets and one day he managed to jump over at the very top of the field. Luckily for me he got stuck in the barb wire and couldn't get any further. The gypsies did eventually come and cut him loose and then remove him. But it was a daily issue for months on end whenever the 2 mares would come into season...even though there were about 30 mates in his field.
On another occasion out hacking my gelding we came up to a gate and a stallion was in the field there. He came over the gate trying to mount my gelding and continually charged at us despite me and my gelding fighting him off. In the end I couldn't hold my gelding anymore and they both galloped off down the lane. They narrowly missed an oncoming car and luckily went straight across the junction and into someone's garden. Police where called and knew whose stallion it was as they had had previous problems and the owner came and collected it and took it away.
A very scary incident that could of caused huge accidents as the lane they galloped down went one way to the train tracks and one way to the school. Luckily they went straight over and no one got hurt.
 
poppetpony said:
As regards an update..not very good.
Spoke to my friend and the owner has been in contact with her parents and basically said she can't do anything until Monday as she can't catch the stallion and that's the soonest she could get help to transport him.
The vets are coming back Monday with someone who can legally dart but they don't think that will be an option as unsafe to get close enough. They will also bring someone who can shoot to kill but obviously my friends horses need to be out of the way.
She did manage to get in with them yesterday when the vets where there with the neighbours and some family members and they have been checked by the vet quickly while they kept the stallion away but it for too dangerous and he charged straight through everyone.
The field they are in at the moment is a long straight field with 2 gates. One opens on to one other field ..where my sheep are currently with a gate on to the main road. The other opens on to the farm track opening out on to a blind bend on a 60mph road.
I don't know what sort of farm everyone is imagining but there are no barns or outbuildings. It's basically a farm house in the middle of some fields with a camp site. Other than a few sheep and my friends 2 horses they haven't had anything on the farm for years so fencing isn't adequate to contain a stallion who can jump over 5ft.
As for the stallion he's probably 14.2/15 hh maybe. Owner has said she's had him for 10 years and he's never behaved like this before. However the neighbours said they took pity on her and the 5 other horses she's got as no where else would take her on. Either way she can't catch him and is sacred to handle him herself.
My friend did say if the stallion isn't removed then the option is to shoot him but then the owner went crazy and threatened all sorts..police .legal action ect.

I did suggest to my friend about boxing hers up and removing them but she said without a lot of brave people there's no safe way to extract him from the mare without risking him jumping out and onto the road and she won't risk that. The thought of him charging out on to the road and someone getting killed isn't worth it.
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Can she borrow some young farmers? They should be used to stroppy livestock and could help her get hers loaded.
 
Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt...case 1; it's true, you've written out some thoughts that might help them, you've done a good thing. Case 2; it's a troll, you've wasted a few minutes of your life writing some things on the internet that still might help someone, at some point, because HHO is really good at algorithms so HHO threads often show up at the top of a Google search, so you've still done a good thing....

OP, yeah, setting up the horse to jump into a 60mph road isn't ideal.

Stallion owner sounds as if she is involved but doesn't want to deal? The idea of a marksman is tempting, but you'd obviously have to assess actual risks and legal stuff.
 
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