Escaped stallion

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4Hoofed said:
Get gelding out. Serve owner abandonment notice. Stallion has 24 eviction notice, it’s gone by them or by your friend. Get the home address off of land owners and get it delivered.

Is he normally out with mares in his field? If so I’d go get them once the gelding is out. Then hopefully sneak your friends mare out, hopefully onto a box and to a safe distance.

Or, find a local beef farmer and ask if they could come give you a hand with some lads. Drive stallion onto a box.

I’d withdraw water potentially to try wear him down a bit, but honestly make a shoot and drive them into a lorry, which everyone goes up first then lots of lunge whips, noise makers, burly chaps gates etc whilst ramp goes up. Only issue wtf are you going to do with old colty bum once captured. He can’t go home as he’ll be straight back.
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He was in with 5 other boys from what owner has said. Vets are trying to make sure all 6 of them are removed from her care due to the welfare risk. She has said she has a paddock for him some miles away but I doubt very much it would contain him.. especially now he's managed to get out.
That's exactly what I mean it's not as simple as my friend going in and removing her horses .there needs to be a plan and enough man power to execute it.
 
Honestly the classification wouldn’t be that much of importance, if he is a danger to the public and the owner is not able to contain or control him all bets are off really. Have you made contact with the police, council etc? They probably can’t solve the issue themselves but would be the best to advise what you can/cant do.

As for the owner threatening police at the idea of a marksmen being booked? I’d tell them they are booked and please do come down with the police and while they’re at it get their bloody horse.

But please get the poor gelding out. Honestly if he’s usually out with a herd of mares I’d try get them in via the same way he came. It will take the obsessive behaviour off (maybe there is a salty old brood mare as well to knock some sense into him…) and once he calms down you can sneak the mare out? Or farmers who deal with bulls.
 
Caol Ila said:
Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt...case 1; it's true, you've written out some thoughts that might help them, you've done a good thing. Case 2; it's a troll, you've wasted a few minutes of your life writing some things on the internet that still might help someone, at some point, because HHO is really good at algorithms so HHO threads often show up at the top of a Google search, so you've still done a good thing....

OP, yeah, setting up the horse to jump into a 60mph road isn't ideal.

Stallion owner sounds as if she is involved but doesn't want to deal? The idea of a marksman is tempting, but you'd obviously have to assess actual risks and legal stuff.
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As I said..I'd be happy to send video evidence that this is a real situation to a trusted member who can then vouch for me
My friends primary concern is no human gets hurt trying to sort this. As much as she is concerned for her horses she will not risk him getting on to the road.
Stallion owner wants her horse and went nuts when shooting was suggested but can apparently only arrange this on Monday.
Not good enough IMO but it's not my horses or my land so it's not my call.
 
We cross posted. Sorry I was hopeful it was mares. I’d double down that she has a time limit but the marksman is booked. He’s endangering human life so your friend is doing nothing wrong. Have the vet write a statement agreeing, tell her to come with the police and explain why this dangerous animal is running rampant whilst she sits with her thumb up her arse.
 
4Hoofed said:
Honestly the classification wouldn’t be that much of importance, if he is a danger to the public and the owner is not able to contain or control him all bets are off really. Have you made contact with the police, council etc? They probably can’t solve the issue themselves but would be the best to advise what you can/cant do.

As for the owner threatening police at the idea of a marksmen being booked? I’d tell them they are booked and please do come down with the police and while they’re at it get their bloody horse.

But please get the poor gelding out. Honestly if he’s usually out with a herd of mares I’d try get them in via the same way he came. It will take the obsessive behaviour off (maybe there is a salty old brood mare as well to knock some sense into him…) and once he calms down you can sneak the mare out? Or farmers who deal with bulls.
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No I did suggest the police should be involved even if only to make them aware but friends dad didn't want anyone outside involved.
My friend only has the mare and gelding and they have always been together. The stallion was 2 fields away with 5 geldings so no other mares
 
If I was closer I’d offer a weekend meet up. Just make sure everyone is geared up no matter what happens, hat, body protector. Taser. You know the usual PPE.

I’d really stress getting the gelding out. My colt is out with geldings. My rule is either he’s outnumbered or they are significantly larger than him. And there is no mare involvement. Horses are strong, dangerous animals at their core, but a wound up stallion has a hormonal edge and a huge adrenal response, he’s basically on steroids in fight mode by the sounds of it. I mean realistically after a day or so I’d have expected him to mellow, but it doesn’t sound like he is. But the gelding is in danger. He’ll want to be with of protect his friend. But he won’t have the drive the stallion does when push comes to shove.


***and I’m not in the evil stallions bandwagon but they have their own risks and this one sounds very very on edge the poor thing***
 
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4Hoofed said:
We cross posted. Sorry I was hopeful it was mares. I’d double down that she has a time limit but the marksman is booked. He’s endangering human life so your friend is doing nothing wrong. Have the vet write a statement agreeing, tell her to come with the police and explain why this dangerous animal is running rampant whilst she sits with her thumb up her arse.
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Exactly what I said.. I'd be giving a deadline as so far she hasn't even said what time on Monday she is expecting to try to collect him. I said I'd be saying collect him by 9am tomorrow or by 10 the vet will be here. It's totally mind boggling to me that she's taken a week to that point to sort the issue. The vets are very much on my friends side and have said they will do they can to make sure the 6 horses are removed from her care
 
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None of my advice changes. Did you look at my post?

I would get hold of a local farmer and borrow mobile pens to get a chute set up, or go and pick one up from an agricultural store tomorrow.

They look like this, you do not need any barns or infrastructure.

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They are 6ft tall and most horses won't jump. If the stallion does, he will still not go far from the others.

If your friend doesn't want to risk the potential for him to jump onto a road, then I'd ask the lady to bring up one of her own geldings to keep him company.

I'd then load up my horses.

To me, the risk of him killing her horses who he is actually in with now is much higher than of him possibly jumping out into the field near the road, and then possibly jumping onto the road, and then possibly hitting a car. Actually, I'd expect him to bog off home if he goes anywhere, and the risk of him jumping into that road is clearly one his owner takes anyway given that he can clearly jump out of his field regardless.

I am also not anti-stallion, we have lovely stallions on the yard my mares go to when they are go onto livery (I only have mares at home). This horse clearly hasn't been managed and taught properly which is squarely the owners fault.

Someone needs to step up and act responsibly and get the situation sorted because for all the hand-wringing, second guessing and fear of blame, there are two horses in there that need help. If you get the right people involved - I'd suggest someone who handles cattle - then this becomes an afternoon of hard work rather than multiple days of stress.
 
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@poppetpony A local young farmers forum / club or contacts via a mart would very likely help you find people with a cattle handling kit who would come and help. It’s ridiculous that this has gone on so long and must be very worrying for your friend. However the comment that peoples parents are involved suggests that some of you maybe aren’t old enough or able to drive?
Mending fences with pallets isn’t usually a long term solution to repair fencing although could be useful as a temporary measure to plug a gap if there’s no other way.
 
poppetpony said:
He was in with 5 other boys from what owner has said. Vets are trying to make sure all 6 of them are removed from her care due to the welfare risk.
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What welfare risk? You haven't written anything so far which would justify removal of her 6 horses from the owner.


poppetpony said:
As I said..I'd be happy to send video evidence that this is a real situation to a trusted member who can then vouch for me
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I've think I qualify and I hope have a reputation for fairness. I'm happy to give you my name and view video either by PM where you can upload it, but nobody but me will have access, or youtube link to which you will have to grant me access for a few minutes.
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ycbm said:
What welfare risk? You haven't written anything so far which would justify removal of her 6 horses from the owner.





I've think I qualify and I hope have a reputation for fairness. I'm happy to give you my name and view video either by PM where you can upload it, but nobody but me will have access, or youtube link to which you will have to grant me access for a few minutes.
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Yep, send the video to @ycbm . She's far less reactionary than me.
 
ycbm said:
What welfare risk? You haven't written anything so far which would justify removal of her 6 horses from the owner.





I've think I qualify and I hope have a reputation for fairness. I'm happy to give you my name and view video either by PM where you can upload it, but nobody but me will have access, or youtube link to which you will have to grant me access for a few minutes.
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OP - I'm happy to vouch for ycbm as a long standing and trustworthy member of the forum.
 
Highmileagecob said:
Get the vet to come and dart the stallion. When he has gone down, remove your horses. Close gate. Give owner a deadline to remove the stallion, and give her the bill.
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If you dart the stallion the problem still exists. The friend will have to find somewhere to keep her horses well away from the place for what could be a long time, the stallion will rampage around the place, he will not be best happy his possessions have gone and he may well get out causing an accident on the road or anywhere else. What if someone rides past on a mare with a very upset stallion on the other side of the fence.

This seems simply to be a people problem. Not a horse problem. It is simply a question of logistics to capture them and sort them (the horses) but unless the owner gets a plan and stlcks to it about the future of the stallion then it is going no where and the friend is simply going to end up with her own horses elsewhere and a rampaging stallion on her farm.

as for the bill and liability then the expression "getting blood out of a stone" may end up being true. This doesn't sound like someone taking responsibility nor with insurance.

Unless you are going to kill it then surely any darting must be quickly followed by castration if the horse is to live. The owner will have to agree and pay for it. Then it will have to go somewhere safe for several months and even after that it may well have to be very carefully homed depending on how the "stallion" part wears off.

I agree everyone is pussyfooting but until someone sorts the owner the problem remains. Horse problems are rarely horse problems, they are caused by people. Sort the people. :rolleyes:
It may be the case that the vet decides if the others are a welfare issue. If so then involving one of the welfare agencies may be the best way forward and let them sort out the removal of the horse.
 
poppetpony said:
Exactly what I said.. I'd be giving a deadline as so far she hasn't even said what time on Monday she is expecting to try to collect him. I said I'd be saying collect him by 9am tomorrow or by 10 the vet will be here. It's totally mind boggling to me that she's taken a week to that point to sort the issue. The vets are very much on my friends side and have said they will do they can to make sure the 6 horses are removed from her care
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This now fly grazing and the law is clear, and the sooner the process is started the better. There is no point in trying to negotiate, because the legal process is clear so however you dispose of it your covered.. There chances are once you start the process the owner will know you are serious and make an effort to get the horse. I have had this happen to me, so I know the mindset. Also make the owner aware that you will take them to the Small Claims Court for any costs.

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If poppetpony sends the video to YCBM it may put things in perspective.
Until someone has seen what’s going on it’s difficult to make a plan, other than any stallion shouldn’t be rampaging around the countryside. Of course an owner or a delegated person should be checking their horses at least daily.
There’s often not a clear picture with many of these posts and it’s sometimes almost impossible to work out what’s going on as they gather ‘arms and legs’ as the story progresses.
 
It seems to me that if the owner of the stallion, the owner of the mare nd gelding, the respective landowners and more than one vet are involved, then it’s nobody else’s business how it’s dealt with. I’d be pretty pissed off if the person who was looking after my horses in my absence posted about an incident like this on a large horse forum, let alone offered to share a video with even one person who they don’t know fro Adam (and I’m not questioning ycbm’s integrity here at all).
 
I’ve been following this thread from the sidelines and am honestly stunned at how long it’s been going on for, and the total inaction of those involved. @poppetpony is your friend aware her horses could end up dead?

We have our horses at home and I can categorically say we’d have been on Facebook and ringing round vets and local farmers for support the day this happened. I just can’t imagine leaving my horses to be tormented like this.
 
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