Escaped stallion

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Amymay Again said:
Sod that. Get the horses out of the field immediately (I can't believe this hasn't been done already). The fate of the stallion is not your concern.
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But the family of four on their way to a fun family day out, who instead get a stallion through their windscreen probably won't care whose concern it is.
 
I very much doubt the stallion would go onto the road, if the mare wasn't there. If he's as randy as the OP makes out, he's not going to go far.

I can't honestly believe this is going on so long - it's not exactly a rhino they're dealing with!

Or maybe I'm just extremely wary about horses beating each other up. The horse in my avatar was killed by a not particularly hard kick to the belly.
 
Beausmate said:
. If he's as randy as the OP makes out, he's not going to go far.
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to get the other 2 out then they are all going to have to be driven somewhere, trapped and the others taken away. (unless he is sedated etc) That is going to upset him. Once his friends have gone I would guess he will probably go crazy charging around and screaming. He may well not settle down, graze and go to sleep. :) that is when it will get dangerous as to where he jumps into and what he does which will become unpredictable.

In that situation I think Lady G had the best idea of getting having some of his geldings ready and waiting to go in with him. The problem with that however is that the friend may well end up with several horses that the owner couldn't care less about. (and they would have to use the abandonment process) Alternatively they could lead the geldings back across the fields, no doubt he would follow back into the neighbour's land. Then they can put their own horses back and wait for the repeat performance. :D

The solution is still the owner taking responsibility and sorting the situation something which seems unlikely to happen. The problem will still exist. So the friend, her dad, and OP on here are going to be the ones having to sort it to get their field back even though it is nothing to do with them.

I have no idea why the owner would want the hassle of a 10yo stallion. It surely restricts obtaining grazing and increases her liability. Not that she is likely to have insurance or money to pay anyway.
This is a human problem not a horse one. The horse part is easily solved. We appear we may have someone with 5 geldings and a stallion dumping her horses wherever she can get away with and failing to look after them. Even if she takes him back on Monday the problem will still be there.

if it was me I would start doing some research on the owner, who she is where she has come from and has she done this before (very likely) and how was it solved. I would imagine someone on local FB/horse groups or horsewatch perhaps would know something and also try and get the neighbour to give her notice immediately.
Perhaps the vets could suggest calling welfare if the condition of the horses merits it and that may get some help involved.

dealing with the rhino may be somewhat easier than dealing with a difficult owner. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Birker2020 said:
It's the stallion I feel sorry for in all this tbh. And now he's been injured.

It's not his fault, it's almost easy to vilify him, and I'd undoubtedly feel different if it was my mare and gelding but he's just doing what comes naturally.

If I read it correctly (and my brain was frying at that point) he was thrown in a field with others in the field adjoining the mare and gelding and jumped/crashed into the other field. Poor horse. I hope he finds peace and isn't too traumatised at what lies ahead for him. RIP boy, by the person who let you down.

Abd I'm sorry about the mare and gelding too.
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The stallion is not dead !
 
Velcrobum said:
The stallion is not dead !
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No I know that. But he will be tomorrow! I did say I hope he finds peace and isn't too traumatised by what lies ahead of him. Ahead of him means tranquiliser and shot.

It is all just so sad.

If the owner had had his kna*kers off when he was younger or taken responsibility for his care instead of just dumping him in a field people wouldn't be left with this horrendous outcome and he wouldn't lose his life.
 
Birker2020 said:
No I know that. But he will be tomorrow!
And that is just so sad.

If the owner had had his kna*kers off when he was younger or taken responsibility for his care instead of just dumping him in a field people wouldn't be left with this horrendous outcome.
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He's very unlikely to be dead tomorrow, or any other day.
 
I think the poor person who originally started this thread has had enough now.

Look, non of the animals belong to her. Anyone wanting to put themselves between a stallion and a mare will probably be very welcome to go and give it a try.

Nothing will be ideal in this instance but please leave this person alone whose responsibility for them ended a few days ago.
 
Smitty said:
I think the poor person who originally started this thread has had enough now.

Look, non of the animals belong to her. Anyone wanting to put themselves between a stallion and a mare will probably be very welcome to go and give it a try.

Nothing will be ideal in this instance but please leave this person alone whose responsibility for them ended a few days ago.
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I don't think anyone has blamed her. It's not her fault it's the person who dumped. The OP has done her best, I feel incredibly sorry for her.
 
Whatever the outcome, whoever is responsible, whatever should or should not be done, I have to agree the OP has had a very rough few days trying to shoulder what is going on without one responsible owner stepping in to relieve her of the burden.

OP I apologise if any of my earlier posts may have read as a criticism of you, they were not, it is both owners I am just totally disgusted by, not you. I admit I did doubt this thread initially s I believe some others did too, on re reading the thread I think it probably is true, but just so incredibly awful that I did question its veracity as I am gobsmacked that neither owner seems to be much concerned about the outcome for any of their respective horses.

I hope it gets sorted tomorrow but I have my doubts it is going to end well, but you never know.
 
Amymay Again said:
He's very unlikely to be dead tomorrow, or any other day.
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In my opinion, that is very unfortunate for him. Also, for passing members of Joe Public on the road should he choose to go that way, and finally also for any other horses that he encounters in his 'travels' and sees as either spouses or competition for his chosen one. That doesn't even take into account any humans injured in the whole process of containing him. Some humans really do have a lot to answer for.
 
If this isn’t a piss take or trolling then my horses would have been out of there no matter what I had to hammer that stallion with.

This has been handled in the most ridiculous manner. The owner would he’s been told Get your horse now or the knackerman will be picking up the body.

Honestly don’t give a crap about what anyone thinks of this response but my animals are my priority and it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve gone all out to defend one of mine against someone else’s. I hold no regrets over it either.

Responsible People with stallions know how best to keep them where they should be, it’s the idiots that cause these sorts of issues.
 
gunnergundog said:
In my opinion, that is very unfortunate for him. Also, for passing members of Joe Public on the road should he choose to go that way, and finally also for any other horses that he encounters in his 'travels' and sees as either spouses or competition for his chosen one. That doesn't even take into account any humans injured in the whole process of containing him. Some humans really do have a lot to answer for.
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Is it too late in the day to geld him? Could that be an option? I don't know, like maybe if his owner suddenly develops a conscience for example?
 
Roasted Chestnuts said:
If this isn’t a piss take or trolling then my horses would have been out of there no matter what I had to hammer that stallion with.

This has been handled in the most ridiculous manner. The owner would he’s been told Get your horse now or the knackerman will be picking up the body.

Honestly don’t give a crap about what anyone thinks of this response but my animals are my priority and it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve gone all out to defend one of mine against someone else’s. I hold no regrets over it either.

Responsible People with stallions know how best to keep them where they should be, it’s the idiots that cause these sorts of issues.
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Last paragraph 100%.
 
Birker2020 said:
Is it too late in the day to geld him? Could that be an option? I don't know, like maybe if his owner suddenly develops a conscience for example?
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Gelding unfortunately isn't an automatic 'off' switch. From the point of view of being able to fertilise, I think you are talking 2-3 months. However, with an older horse (10 years plus?) you have ingrained behaviours that may or may not be able to be overcome. This all relies on a responsible owner of course, which appears to be absent in this scenario. It may sound harsh, but given the lack of the aforementioned I would suggest that a bullet may be the best all round solution, given the facts presented so far.
 
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The owners have been very generous in letting the stallion's owner wait until Monday to sort this out. I would have given them 8 hours max and then that would have been it I'm afraid, and I'm a softie. Admittedly I would have tried something like Lady Gascoyne's solution first but if that failed, a bullet it would be sadly.

Fingers crossed for a suitable outcome tomorrow, and I hope the mare & gelding aren't badly injured.
 
gunnergundog said:
Gelding unfortunately isn't an automatic 'off' switch. From the point of view of being able to fertilise, I think you ae talking 2-3 months. However, with an older horse (10 years plus?) you have ingrained behaviours that may or may not be able to be overcome. This all relies on a responsible owner of course, which appears to be absent in this scenario. It may sound harsh, but given the lack of the aforementioned I would suggest that a bullet may be the best all round solution, given the facts presented so far.
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Yeah I get that. The horse in my photo BILLY an imported BWP was gelded late at 8 and he was stallion like in his behaviour when turned out with other geldings for the first time.

He had geldings in a group and ran round them in a circle and if one broke out of the group he rounded it up with his teeth at its heels and his neck arched tail in the air strutting.
 

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Birker2020 said:
Yeah I get that. The horse in my photo BILLY an imported BWP was gelded late at 8 and he was stallion like in his behaviour when turned out with other geldings for the first time.

He had geldings in a group and ran round them in a circle and if one broke out of the group he rounded it up with his teeth at its heels and his neck arched tail in the air strutting.
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I am assuming that BILLY wasn't bred on the moors, minimally handled and unbroken??

You can multiply the behaviours you cite many times over for the type of pony that is being spoken about here.

Regardless, both would be able to impregnate a mare for many weeks/months to come so unsure who is going to take responsibility for this chap and his behaviour in the interim?
 
This is absolutely my personal take on a thread I am still undecided about its veracity, but I feel the owner of the two horses who have been invaded by the Stallion has been irresponsible possibly negligent in the care and welfare of her two horses. Up thread OP states owner is married so an adult, OP also said horses are on land owned by the horse owners father who does not want to make a fuss nor have outside parties intervene. 🤷‍♀️

This whole thread has more twists and turns than Alice in Wonderland but am happy to be proven otherwise !!
 
gunnergundog said:
I am assuming that BILLY wasn't bred on the moors, minimally handled and unbroken??

You can multiply the behaviours you cite many times over for the type of pony that is being spoken about here.

Regardless, both would be able to impregnate a mare for many weeks/months to come so unsure who is going to take responsibility for this chap and his behaviour in the interim?
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I was just relaying my experience and agreeing with you that they don't get the stallion out of them straight away. I think Billy was 10 when i bought him and still dispayed these behaviours. I wasn't comparing just relating an experience that was all. Never mind.
 
Velcrobum said:
This is absolutely my personal take on a thread I am still undecided about its veracity, but I feel the owner of the two horses who have been invaded by the Stallion has been irresponsible possibly negligent in the care and welfare of her two horses. Up thread OP states owner is married so an adult, OP also said horses are on land owned by the horse owners father who does not want to make a fuss nor have outside parties intervene. 🤷‍♀️

This whole thread has more twists and turns than Alice in Wonderland but am happy to be proven otherwise !!
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And then some...the stallion went through a barbwire fence and sustained no injuries....lucky or what!
 
Birker2020 said:
No I know that. But he will be tomorrow! I did say I hope he finds peace and isn't too traumatised by what lies ahead of him. Ahead of him means tranquiliser and shot.

It is all just so sad.

If the owner had had his kna*kers off when he was younger or taken responsibility for his care instead of just dumping him in a field people wouldn't be left with this horrendous outcome and he wouldn't lose his life.
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He won't be dead tomorrow unless the shooter and the person who pays the shooter want to end up in court for criminal damage. There is no law that would allow anyone but the owner to shoot or arrange to shoot this horse. He isn't ill or in pain or causing damage to humans. It's a civil matter of fly grazing and that is all.

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ycbm said:
He won't be dead tomorrow unless the shooter and the person who pays the shooter want to end up in court for criminal damage. There is no law that would allow anyone but the owner to shoot or arrange to shoot this horse. He isn't ill or in pain or causing damage to humans. It's a civil matter of fly grazing and that is all.

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That would be a matter of opinion according to what I have looked up based on your reply YCBM. The horse in question is causing damage to both the horses and fencing, the owner isn’t bothering her shirt tail in trying to resolve the situation, it’s feral and unlikely to be able be caught safely for all parties so what is more humane for all involved?

There is no hard and fast law stating that in the above circs it would be criminal damage, might be classed as animal cruelty but being honest the stallion owner could be charged with that also. So maybe not a cut and dried case 👀
 
Roasted Chestnuts said:
That would be a matter of opinion according to what I have looked up based on your reply YCBM. The horse in question is causing damage to both the horses and fencing, the owner isn’t bothering her shirt tail in trying to resolve the situation, it’s feral and unlikely to be able be caught safely for all parties so what is more humane for all involved?

There is no hard and fast law stating that in the above circs it would be criminal damage, might be classed as animal cruelty but being honest the stallion owner could be charged with that also. So maybe not a cut and dried case 👀
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Any bunch of young farmers could have separated this horse with a cattle chute on day one. The fact that the landowner did not want to involve outsiders does not give him the right to destroy someone else's property.
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ycbm said:
Any bunch of young farmers could have separated this horse on day one. The fact that the landowner did not want to involve outsiders does not give him the right to destroy someone else's property.
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The landowner isn’t at fault for any of this. The stallion owner could have employed the same tactic, she didn’t. Instead she has left her horse to repeatedly breed a mare belonging to someone else, injure the other horse and cause damage to fencing and property. Clearly she doesn’t care that much about the horse.

Has this stallion been tested for diseases? If not and it passes anything into the mare then is the stallion owner going to pay those damages? Also the damages to the gelding? The fencing? Probably not so if anyone has a case for criminal damage it shouldn’t be the stallion owner if someone shoots it.
 
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