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ester said:
I think he was trotted up 3 times and that’s been translated as attempts. Obviously you’re only representing once.
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wow that's more attempts than at Endurance rides, if they weren't sure the first time they should have stopped him competing.
 
I don't really know anything about dressage but surely for the horses welfare they shouldn't allow more than two attempts, I wonder if they do a three card trick like in endurance, where 3 vets watch the horse trot and mark a card to say if pass or fail?
Edited to add if a horse is that badly behaved by striking out shouldn't it fail? I've known endurance horses fail because they have misbehaved.
 
If the ground jury are not happy with first trot because of unsoundness then holding box, if it’s because of misbehaviour then continue trot, but even this is watched extremely carefully…..for obvious reasons….!
 
Useful article from Eurodressage (not about the AG situation, but about the competition in general) .....

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Alibear said:
So reading the above report this horse wasn't sent to the holding box it passed on first presentation but needed a few trots in the presentation.
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That is now more clear.

There is a photo on Eurodressage of a wild looking Indigro on the trot up strip standing up on his hind legs with his front feet perilously close to Andrew’s head. Andrew is sensibly wearing a crash hat and gloves.
 
If 14h cobs were competing out there I'd also have a hooligan in the trot up - there's a reason I gave up with in hand showing! It sounds like that was just boiling over, but I'd love to know if he was genuinely sound warming up. If he was then I can imagine going down the centre line wondering if he's NQR or just not straight because he's distracted. By the time the more technical moves started it was obvious there was a lameness issue. I think 5/6 marks at that level are shouting that the judges see an issue, its just the courage to ring the bell.
 
Watching horse teams trot up in Exloo was an education the whole thing was very buzzy and I learnt why rara’s horse found them a bit tricky sometimes (having only watched eventing ones previously)
 
Tiddlypom said:
The Danish judge at C who rang the bell to eliminate Indigro is Hans-Christian Matthiesen.

In addition to being a five-star judge he is an equine vet and is also head of the International Dressage Officials Club (IDOC). So he carries some clout - well done that man.
So presumably he is also president of Ground Jury, and he has final decision in ringing the bell?
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Having now seen the video, I'm pretty appalled. The horse is very obviously lame. Not borderline, just clearly lame as daisies. He shouldn't have had to have the judge pull him up, he should have stopped immediately and got off too. Yet another stain on dressage and British dressage too.
 
Alibear said:
You're all saying obviously lame but it was still scoring 5-6 which is sufficient to satisfactory...
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I write for dressage and I think I very rarely scribe below a 5 and even then it's usually for things like wrong canter strike off or breaking gait. Even for a horse a judge described as 'crocked' I don't think they were hammered in the marks (they were lower for sure so the person would have placed last but still not all that low IIRC) and they were certainly not eliminated.

millitiger said:
I will say, although she's currently in last place, I would very much like to steal the Lithuanian rider's horse.
He got on with it, with his ears pricked, despite some slightly odd balance and riding.
A much happier looking athlete than some of those higher up the scoreboard and he looked very generous and working within himself.
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So often the case I enjoy the tests not getting the very high marks, for the big comps on TV anyway. Certainly at the Olympics I remember enjoying the earlier tests and it got more and more depressing the more elite the riders were.

I realise I'm not great at spotting unsoundness but really what does it say that it took me a few watches and not until there were more obvious steps to think other than 'just looks like high level dressage to me'.
 
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