Even though i'm on full livery, I have to...

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Do you never muck your own horse out - it's so fulfilling to bond with them. Try it (and not just on Xmas day).
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That sort of comment makes me wet myself !!
How can shovelling sh*t help you bond with your horse? Grooming, spending time with them etc yes, but sh*t shovelling, no!

And for the record I say that from a DIY'er perspective
 
No I am talking about Full Livery. If the owner can't muck them out themselves on Xmas day, they make a private arrangement with another livery. I don't think it's unreasonable to be expected to muck your own horse out one day a year. It's xmas day for everyone, not just the full liveries.

What I said about "bonding", I meant that looking after your horse, ie. doing everything for them does help you bond. I can't stand the sort of livery arrangement where you just turn up and your horse is all groomed, mucked out, tacked up, fed etc for you, so you just get on and ride, and then hand the reins back to someone when you've finished. Just my personal view.
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Sorry Susan but I did chuckle too
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True - I guess the shovelling sh*t bit is the most cr4p part (excuse the pun). I did sort of mean the whole thing not just the actual mucking out.

Actually both my boys are on DIY (looked after by my daughter), but that's just because (and it's only in my experience) nobody can look after your horses as well as you can yourself.
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No I am talking about Full Livery. If the owner can't muck them out themselves on Xmas day, they make a private arrangement with another livery. I don't think it's unreasonable to be expected to muck your own horse out one day a year. It's xmas day for everyone, not just the full liveries.

What I said about "bonding", I meant that looking after your horse, ie. doing everything for them does help you bond. I can't stand the sort of livery arrangement where you just turn up and your horse is all groomed, mucked out, tacked up, fed etc for you, so you just get on and ride, and then hand the reins back to someone when you've finished. Just my personal view.
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When your horse is on full livery, it means just that. Most of the livery owners don't know exactly what feed to use, don't know how much hay or haylege to give, will not know exactly what rugs to put on at what time, where to get extra bedding, where to find the supplements. The list goes on. And it is not that they are not interested - their horse's requirements are discussed, but as a specialist yard, each horse is assessed regularly and feed etc changed as required.

Full livery is SO different to DIY. They won't know which fields we want the horses out in (all the horses go out either separately or with their best friends). The whole thing would be carnage if we let everyone come up and do it themselves, and although many of the liveries DO come up on Christmas Day and help, that is only if THEY want to and not because they have no choice
 
I find that statement shocking that a horse owner wouldn't know what to feed their horse, or what rug to put on them. When you have a horse, it's not just an accessory, it's a part of your family.
 
I think that your 'full livery' service should be what it describes FULL.
Unless its states in the contract the Xmas is excluded.
If that is the case then suck it up and enjoy the festive spirit that is always present on a yard on xmas day!

Every yard I have worked in has done the full liveries on Xmas day - DIYers couldnt add their horses to the list but existing liverys or those who booked at least 6 weeks in advance could have the horses skipped out, hay chucked in, feeds chucked in. Staff didnt T/O etc tho.
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A very basic service was offered! but horses were fed, watered and clean.
If you really cant get there ask another livery to do yours in exchange for you doing theirs on a different day.
 
Okay well you will find what I am about to say even more shocking...
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One of my boarders came up back in the Spring and did not know which horse was theirs.....I chuckled at them
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I find that statement shocking that a horse owner wouldn't know what to feed their horse, or what rug to put on them. When you have a horse, it's not just an accessory, it's a part of your family.

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Full livery is available to people who don't have the time to get involved with the day to day 'running' of their horse. Thats their choice and doesn't mean their horses don't mean as much to them as those on DIY!
 
Peeing myself now. A couple of years ago, one of our liveries bought their horse in, gave him a good grooming, until the actual owner turned up and claimed their horse. Actually, it was the best groom he had had in ages!
 
Tbh, I used to love working CHristmas day...a little pressie outside every stable door(usually alcohol or choccies....all 24 of them
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I think the whole crux of the matter revolves around whether you are told that Christmas Day was not included in the full livery arrangement when you first went there. If you were, then I think that is fair enough.

However, if the YO suddenly announces at the end of November that there will be no cover on Christmas Day, then that is unacceptable. By then people will have made plans perhaps to go abroad or visit far-flung relatives.

When I had my horse on full livery, there was a relatively normal service but beds were skipped out rather than given a full muck-out. Lots of livery owners chose to go up and help the staff anyway, but it wasn't expected that they should.
 
Yes that appears to be the problem TGM. On my yard, it was actually stated in my liveries contracts that they cared for their horses on all Bank Holidays.....however whenever these came up, I always fed their horses and gave them some hay because I was doing my own anyway.

There was never any grey area for my liveries - they KNEW that they had to do them on BH's....but they also knew that I could often be sweet-talked around to doing them if they were going away.
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I find that statement shocking that a horse owner wouldn't know what to feed their horse, or what rug to put on them. When you have a horse, it's not just an accessory, it's a part of your family.

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But that is why they pay for full livery. Because they don't know, they don't have then time or ability, so they pay someone who does.

(I'm DIY incidentally, but am perfectly happy to pay one of the teenagers at the yard £ 2 to muck out for me when I don't feel like it!)
 
Good discussion. IMO no full livery should be told their service won't be provided Christmas day, its unprofessional. Most yards I know ask all the owners who are quite involved with their horses to do their own and to help with the yard for as much time as they can and this works fine. Many of liveries enjoy doing the jobs at Christmas and spending time with the horses. Anyone who hasn't time, is away or would take longer to teach how to muck out than it would take most people to do five boxes gets their horse done as normal. I expect you wouldn't have over reacted if you'd been ASKED if you could help by doing your horse, its the fact they've just told you they're not going to do it.
 
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Okay well you will find what I am about to say even more shocking...
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One of my boarders came up back in the Spring and did not know which horse was theirs.....I chuckled at them
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That's just called denial. I try that regularly, but people push me to the right field.
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IMO no full livery should be told their service won't be provided Christmas day, its unprofessional.

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Absolute rubbish! If you sign a document agreeing to certain stipulations then that's what you have done,agreed. And it has nothing to do with unprofessionalism to have rules and regulations written down in a contract....quite the contrary.
 
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I find that statement shocking that a horse owner wouldn't know what to feed their horse, or what rug to put on them. When you have a horse, it's not just an accessory, it's a part of your family.

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Why do you find that shocking? Our liveries have show horses which are produced from my sister's yard. Each horse is assessed sometimes daily to ensure that it looks at its best. The quantities that are fed may change, as do the type of feed. On a yard of 30 show horses, the last thing that should be done is a livery coming up and feeding what they feel like when they feel like it - there is a routine and this is adhered to every single day of the year. All the horses are fed (sometimes up to 5 small feeds a day) so someone turning up and shoving 3 feeds worth in one bucket is really not going to work.

I honestly don't think you have ever been on a yard which is totally full livery with 3 members of staff living on site, as well as the yard owner, otherwise you would understand better. I have done everything from total DIY to assisted DIY to having them at home, to being on full livery to having them at my sister's yard (on full livery). When I finish riding, I always ask what rug to put on as out of about 10 rugs to choose from, THEY are the ones who will be there 3 hours after I have left adding rugs where necessary, removing where necessary.
 
No, you're not over reacting. We used to run a yard. It was DIY and Assisted DIY. And if anyone wanted us to do their horse over the christmas period we did. Some of our liveries would go away for holiday during this time - what would they do?

BTW I am actually going to South Africa for 3 weeks in december and my horse is going on full livery, are people suggesting that I should fly back so that I can muck her out on christmas day? She's only a horse!
 
Sure you have 2 horses at home that you will have to clean out anyway! You said in previous posts that the yard isnt that far away.

Im going to see mine on christmas day, ok im on DIY but even if i wasnt i would still be going to see them!!
 
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Sure you have 2 horses at home that you will have to clean out anyway! You said in previous posts that the yard isnt that far away.

Im going to see mine on christmas day, ok im on DIY but even if i wasnt i would still be going to see them!!

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Is this reply aimed at me or QR?
 
No you are not over-reacting. Businesses that provide a 24/7 service (and there are many of them) don't usually dump their clients/consumers on Bank holidays!

Take no notice of the 'holier than tho' types who think that full livery is the devils work
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I was on a yard where full liveries have to muck out xmas day, boxing day and new years. I never minded because they told me about this when I first took my horse there. Usually, I'd either come to an arrangement with another full livery where I'd do their horse one of the days then they'd do mine the next or I'd just pay someone to muck out for and keep my horse in those days. Everybody deserves a few days off.
 
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Is this another disagreement with your Dad and his wife HG? Isn't this where your horse is kept? Have to say, I was under the impression that you didn't have anything to do with this horse right now as your Dad had pretty much claimed ownership of it.

Sorry, but I'm sure you can understand my confusion.

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Im confused too, as your dad recently paid your FIELD rent where you keep your horses...and your other mare, or rather your dads, is at his yard?
 
I thought she only had one horse....and it lived at the Dads yard? The others she has are just ponies aren't they? And they live in a field don't they?
 
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