Event Stallion suggestions for this mare please...

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Just delivered my girl to Twemlows, have 1 more go with Condios but I don't have high hopes after last year so I'm trying to line up an alternative.
She is: 16.3 TB Alderbrook x Good Thyne. maiden so this will be first foal...
Aim: Eventer for me, or maybe just nice all-rounder if i've bottled it by then! so, needs to be 16-17hh ideally, not less than 16h.
Top of list of things I'd like Stallion to throw reliably: Excellent feet and limbs, good temperament and trainability.
Am thinking of Axis, Wish Upon A Star (saw him at Twemlows today, lovely boy), Uptons Deli Circus IF he is at all likely to throw big enough.
No Hanns, not having another silly spooky thing, maybe it's just my Hann crosses that are like that! IDxTB, Holst, Traks all welcome.
Pics taken this morning, trial and error to get a decent pic that didn't make her look long, short, or fugly! the weird-looking wurzel holding her is me, sorry, it was really cold.
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Any advice hugely appreciated, i've agonised like this before over stallion choices and in retrospect not really made the right choices for my mares, it is soooo difficult. Conf crit v welcome, be totally honest pls.
 
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Fingers crossed that you wont need to decide and the Condios semen will work.
At least starting this early in the year this time she might at least cycle properly which will help and obviously the procedure she had to have last year wouldnt have helped her chances of concieving.
I will watch this thread with interest though as trying to decide on a stallion for one of my mares at the moment and struggling to come up with anything suitable.
The two obvious ones Wish upon a star and chilli morning are out for me as dont want a chestnut.
 
Oh, I think she's lovely.... I do like angrovestuds Ricco. he's a lovely stamp of a horse. I think he's 16.2 but sure that angrovestud could tell you. Or how about Creevagh Diamond Pride? http://www.randalestud.com/stud-services/creevagh-diamond-pride/

she's quite light (from what i can tell from the pics) so maybe something like creevagh diamon pride would give the foal a bit more substance (and make a good eventer.hunter/all rounder) or something like Ricco would add more blood to go further down the eventing lines.

I'm no experienced breeder, but that's what I'd think!
 
She's a lovely looking mare!!

First thought was Jumbo if he still does frozen?

Another one would be Monte Bellini, Sally will tell you about him,he looks lovely and is very very laidback.

And another stallion that I REALLY like and totally love, he is a showjumper, BUT he does have very similar bloodlines to Cavalier Royale- and that is Canturo. Lovely lovely horse that really stamps his stock well with good bone yet quality- he has quite a few stallion sons- French stallions were doing a special deal on him-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxD_0c__FQk
 
Best of luck! I've been looking for a husband for my mare, and was also at Twemlows the week before last! WUAS was beautiful wasn't he?!

I've ended up going with Primitive Proposal at Louella, but another stallion KatB recommended seeing there was Denounce. He was again nice, but I felt he was a bit too big and rangy for my mare (I don;t want anything that big) but worth a look if you want to breed bigger?

I was also tempted by Uptons Deli Circus but knowing my luck I'd just end up with a 15hh gipsy pony, plus his age put me off a little as my mare's a maiden..... but then I don't know the first thing about breeding so whether it makes any difference?

Had lots of recommendations for Hannibal too....
 
Out of interest, as shes by Alderbrook, what are her front legs like as he had terrible front legs.NOT suggesting that your mare has, but something to take on board when choosing a stallion. Look up Dalcotes stallions.Kings Composer, full TB, 16.1 with the best feet I've seen on a TB. Super temperament, and very fertile. They also have a very nice stallion Parkmore Master, by Master Imp out of a Clover Hill mare. I saw him last year when I took my mare to KC (have got the most cracking colt out of her). He was loose in the field, and was a super sort, although only two then.I didn't know his breeding then, but just thought what a nice moving horse.
 
Canturo did absolutely nothing for me at the stallion show. There are other Holstein stallions there which I think would be better eventing sires.

As you can guess I still love Axis for her. Uptons Deli Circus who be a worry height wise as very small himself for what you want and a real mixture of pedigree on the dam's side, and with it being her first foal I'd be concerned you end up woth something not tall enough.

Annoyingly I think Andy has already packed my note book away but there was a very nice Holstein stallion I saw recently at one of the stallion shows on line and I cant think of his bloody name for the life of me and he looks like he could be right up your street. Similar stamp to Condios really and a real athlete. Argh, will try and remember and send you the link
 
Thanks everyone, thanks V, would appreciate it.
gig47, her front legs look okay (straight, even pair etc) but she has really small feet, so a stallion with great feet is top of the list...
not going for frozen again, there are enough lovely stallions around doing fresh or chilled, i think, and she just might be 1 of those mares who won't take to frozen no matter what... :(
never heard of Monte Bellini, will have a look.
CDP looks good but maybe too chunky?
Ricco is interesting (i'd love a coloured) but i worry he might be too light for her, i definitely don't want anything lighter than she is.
Holst or trak or 1/4 to 1/2 ID would prob be ideal.
 
Just out of interest, what do you think about Axis's conformation? Every pic Ive seen of him he seems to have a straight hind leg, no back end and his pasterns look strange behind ?
 
Fingers crossed that Condios works out for you. He's a fantastic horse and of the horses I've seen by him, always always always always always always always, throws good models. His owner is on here too. TomReed, I'm sure that he'd like the Condios man juice to work out for you too!!!!!!!!!!
 
Wow - lucky you! I'm so jealous. I haven't got any recommendations really in terms of naming stallions, just a few observations....

Like your mare, my mare is quite tall, I put her to a 14.2hh stallion (all sorts of reasons...) and got a 17hh youngster so don't discount Uptons DC! :)

I'd actually go for something quite lightweight for her (just to contradict another thread!) for the following reasons.

Your mare has a lovely length of rein and naturally good head carriage but looks quite short coupled to have a ground covering stride. I'd be tempted to get a bit more length of stride/length of back in there if you want a serious event horse.

I'm sure her basic conformation is good as I'm sure you wouldn't breed from her otherwise, but you can't really see in the photo, so I'm making a bit of an assumption there. The only thing I'd be a little cautious of is that in these pics she seems to have quite long and sloping pasterns... That's good for a nice length of stride, but again, for an event horse, can lead to hyper extension of the tendons as there is so much flexibility there. Putting her to a chunky stallion and getting a youngster that's heavy bodied but with her length of pastern would in my opinion be a recipe for tendon troubles.

For the same reason I'd avoid a stallion with particularly long tendons (generally that's something you'd want to avoid, but I think particularly in her case because of her nice long pasterns). I wouldn't choose a stallion with very upright pasterns but equally, I wouldn't go for one with noticeably long pasterns.

And I agree 100% about finding a stallion with excellent feet/limbs and a trainable temperament - but remember laid back and stupid are closely related! Again if you're going for an event horse you REALLY don't want stupid. I like to watch horses walked in hand over poles or through gateways they aren't overly familiar with, or just laying a jacket on a fence near where they have to go.... How do they react? Do they spook (not so good); carefully pick their way over or past with ears pricked (good); or clunk the poles as they walk over or not bat an eyelid at the jacket (downright stupid...) can be hard to do at pro yards as everything is so controlled with stallions, but you get the picture; for me it's not about how cuddly they are, but how thoughtful they are. If it's a homebred you can always make it cuddly...

So, that's how I ended up with my 14.2hh stallion... My mare was maiden and 8 yrs old so I wanted a small foal. I also didn't want something as big as ma (17.1hh), I wanted strong, well proportioned limbs but not chunky, I wanted performance and temperament and intelligence. I searched and searched many, many horses - and ended up shortlisting connemara stallions! In the end I ended up with a TBxArabxSome kind of native pony and not a conny at all. Doodle the dude has been a joy (he's now 8), the best thing I ever did and if I could commit the time I'd breed my mare again in a heartbeat - especially as more than one expert breeder said that mares always throw their weakest baby first and that they only get better. Well, if Doodle's the worst I can expect....

Dammit I'm jealous you're doing this!! :)
 
seabiscuit, this conf photo (bottom of this page)
http://www.trakehners.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41&Itemid=576
is the only 1 i can find, i'll let you draw your own conclusions. apparently those are normal shoes, i thought they looked like glue-ons but apparently not...! (something i'm paranoid about). i haven't seen him in the flesh but Volatis has.

lizh, re: trainable/laid back/stupid - yes, i know exactly what you mean, but what i don't want is absolutely wired and therefore possibly really really difficult to back, ride away, etc, with a seriously overactive imagination. (had 1 or 2 of those, not fun) i'd rather have nice and trainable and teach it to be clever, sorry if that sounds daft but i've done it before. also, getting too old (and crocked) for the utter fruitbat "Pros only" type...!
the mare is clever and bold as brass (prob the best thing i've ever sat on xc tbh) so if the stallion's on the very slightly dull side i really won't mind!

thanks Fred, i'll have a look at those, have considered Grafenstolz but have heard his can be "Pros rides"... not sure if that's true or not though.
 
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If you are prepared to think outside the box of proven eventers then please consider my boy - Valeur R.

Your mare looks a very similar stamp to my mare that I have in foal to him (foal due mid May). http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=313600 This is a link to a post showing a pic of her.

Val has been placed Nationally at the BD young horse classes (7th in the potential int dressage horse as a 5 year old). He was also awarded 9/10 for hi loose jumping at his stallion grading. He has not been widely advertised and his first crop of foals hit the ground last year. Both are very bold and regularly jumped out of their fields. for a vid of the filly (out of an IDxTB mare follow this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSKPn1rM2EI for footage of Val loose follow this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwR13rZjBgE&feature=related

Val is a walk in at Twemlows and all his visiting mares have so far got in foal on the first attempt. (His stud info http://www.tayloredequestrian.co.uk/stallions_at_stud.htm)

I am only an amateur rider and he is my first stallion, his temperament is fantastic and he has to put up with me stopping and starting work with him all the time due to my work commitments.

Good luck with your search.
 
TayloredEq, he is absolutely stunning, i'm very happy to look 'outside the box' etc.
only thing is, that's quite a lot of Hann in there, is he spooky? (i've had two hann x tbs now and both were horribly spooky, one i bred (by Dimaggio) would fixate on something hundreds of yards away and be ABSOLUTELY terrified of it, i'm a bit braver and more determined that your average muppet and i tried everything, she was an utter pain to put it mildly, so i'm a bit wary of the breed now...! both would spook violently at a patch of clover or a bit of mud too, regularly, not ideal for an eventer! i'm sure i've just been unlucky but it's a bit hard to get out of my mind, having waited years for that one and had her be an utter nightmare...)
If he's not spooky i will definitely put him up the list, he is absolutely gorgeous.
 
Of your list I LOVE Wish Upon a Star but then again Axis being a Trak would be a good choice. What about 2 others....Chilli Morning....cannot argue with his record and he has a little bit more substance and great trainability. Also, if you want the modern event blooded type like the Condios', etc what about Caretino Glory. He is an absolutely amazing mover who should be doing pure dressage and a super jumper. His stock are all really modern classy types as well......
 
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If he's not spooky i will definitely put him up the list, he is absolutely gorgeous.
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Valour R is definitely gorgeous and also very laid back!

Also take a look at Brendon's El Thuder, he's thrown some lovely eventer types (Eventrider has a stunning 2 year old by him,) and the love of my life, One More Tiger; both Baydale and Millitiger have youngsters by him.
 
Thanks MFH - should of course have mentioned El Thuder seeing as I have my boy by him!!! LOL (BAAD mummy!)

Yes El Thuder is an AMAZING event stamp, with huge yet ridable movement and a super jump. I am desperate to get th Brendons guys to get him out XC but he is too valuable to them as a jumper, having already won a LOT for his age. My colt by him was a 1st prem at the futurity as an eventer as a foal and yearling (and reserve highest scores) as well as having won in hand. This is his page on Facebook on my stud page to give you and idea of what he look like and what El Thuder throws as ALL of his babies are of a similar stamp...regardless of the mare:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/album.php?aid=165316&id=355502018703&ref=mf
 
kerilli said:
thanks Fred, i'll have a look at those, have considered Grafenstolz but have heard his can be "Pros rides"... not sure if that's true or not though.
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I am riding him at the moment, and wouldn't class him as a pro's ride in terms of being hot or difficult! :) He is a talented & intelligent horse... nothing bad to say about him!
 
Thank you Jenhunt, If you are looking for height, and above all a superb trainable youngster that is 7/8ths to event then Ricco would be Ideal he is best suited in my opinion to a TB mare the foals he has sired to TB mares have been stunning to date.
this is his latest filly out of a Tb mare.
he has a family known for the colour,by his grandsire Zhivago, out eventing at 3* and 4* events all this information is on our web site as well.
good luck with whom ever you choose.

please PM me for more info
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Hi kerilli

Sorry I did not read your post properly, ricco has 9 1/4 inches of bone I would not think he would be to light, do come and have a look hes also a bit bigger then 16.2hh near to 16.3hh best wishes
 
Hi,

you should look at our boy Springfield Symphony, He will be at Twemloes for a couple of days next week and the following. He will be at Kelsal Hill on Sunday and Bradwell the following week.

He is been ridden by Hannah Bate who thinks the world of him, his foals are stunning. I could go on but your better off poping along to have a look youself. If you can't make it to one of the above events or Stallion ai you can pop along and see him at Hannahs just outside Natwich.

:)

Good luk
 
A bit late but just to say, friend had her 16hh(i think) Irish tb mare put to Circus and has a 4 year reaching about 16.2!! She wanted a small horse and was then later told by them that he often throws big foals! He is turning out to be a lovely horse and is being kept entire. I can send you a picture if you would like just to give you an idea? :)
 
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